Yay, Free The Girls!!!!!

[gordo12]

This is my kind of news!

Free The Girls

 

[Zeb_Carter]

There is a perfectly good reason why women wear bras. Some of them, not all, are built in such a way that if they go their entire life without a bra, their tits will be sagging down to their knees by age 40.

Then there are those who have just the right amount of breast that they can go without one right into their 80s.

Then there are those who don't wear them because they don't care how they look. And others that don't because they are rebelling because the bra was invented by a man.

It's all right to not wear one for short periods of time, but unless you want stretch marks all over them an them sagging down to your belly button you should probably should be wearing one that gives you good support.

Then you have women with those giant glands that when they are young are not problem but as they get older they have serious back problems and start thinking about a breast reduction.

 

[MrPixel]

There is a perfectly good reason why women wear bras. Some of them, not all, are built in such a way that if they go their entire life without a bra, their tits will be sagging down to their knees by age 40.

Then there are those who have just the right amount of breast that they can go without one right into their 80s. ...

My wife is in the latter category. She's in her mid-70s and her breasts are remarkably firm and pert, despite having been braless her entire adult life.

A good friend is sadly in the other. In her 50s, she's been going without for at least the past 20 years, but after four children and weight gains... oh my. She jokes around about it by lifting her top just enough to flash nipples, barely above her navel, but inside I'm shaking my head.

We have a neighbor who, 15 years ago, had this stunning pair of "hangers", showing them off in a bikini top whenever she worked outside. They are almost down to her pants top now that she's in her 40s. My wife makes a smug and disgusting comment about "tripping over 'em" nearly every time we see her. I grimace at her, truly feeling sorry for the lady and her fading youthful beauty.

So you're absolutely right, "it depends." In my "pig!" maleness I'll suggest that C's, D's and larger need support if they expect to keep an attractive figure to maintain their self-image and by extension, self-confidence. The athletic bras suggested in the article seem to be a reasonable compromise; I can only imagine stuffing it all into cups just isn't pleasant.

But wadda I know, I'm just a guy.

 

[gordo12]

There is a perfectly good reason why women wear bras. Some of them, not all, are built in such a way that if they go their entire life without a bra, their tits will be sagging down to their knees by age 40.

Then there are those who have just the right amount of breast that they can go without one right into their 80s.

Then there are those who don't wear them because they don't care how they look. And others that don't because they are rebelling because the bra was invented by a man.

It's all right to not wear one for short periods of time, but unless you want stretch marks all over them an them sagging down to your belly button you should probably should be wearing one that gives you good support.

Then you have women with those giant glands that when they are young are not problem but as they get older they have serious back problems and start thinking about a breast reduction.

My wife is in the latter category. She's in her mid-70s and her breasts are remarkably firm and pert, despite having been braless her entire adult life.

A good friend is sadly in the other. In her 50s, she's been going without for at least the past 20 years, but after four children and weight gains... oh my. She jokes around about it by lifting her top just enough to flash nipples, barely above her navel, but inside I'm shaking my head.

We have a neighbor who, 15 years ago, had this stunning pair of "hangers", showing them off in a bikini top whenever she worked outside. They are almost down to her pants top now that she's in her 40s. My wife makes a smug and disgusting comment about "tripping over 'em" nearly every time we see her. I grimace at her, truly feeling sorry for the lady and her fading youthful beauty.

So you're absolutely right, "it depends." In my "pig!" maleness I'll suggest that C's, D's and larger need support if they expect to keep an attractive figure to maintain their self-image and by extension, self-confidence. The athletic bras suggested in the article seem to be a reasonable compromise; I can only imagine stuffing it all into cups just isn't pleasant.

But wadda I know, I'm just a guy.

What a couple of killjoys.

Seriously, celebrate. Titties to the right, titties to the left. The world will be a better place when we're focused on the titties wandering around and not fighting.

And you won't have to fight to get her out of her iron maiden!

 

[Winter_Fare]

She jokes around about it by lifting her top just enough to flash nipples, barely above her navel, but inside I'm shaking my head.

We have a neighbor who, 15 years ago, had this stunning pair of "hangers", showing them off in a bikini top whenever she worked outside. They are almost down to her pants top now that she's in her 40s. My wife makes a smug and disgusting comment about "tripping over 'em" nearly every time we see her. I grimace at her, truly feeling sorry for the lady and her fading youthful beauty.

So you're absolutely right, "it depends." In my "pig!" maleness I'll suggest that C's, D's and larger need support if they expect to keep an attractive figure to maintain their self-image and by extension, self-confidence. The athletic bras suggested in the article seem to be a reasonable compromise; I can only imagine stuffing it all into cups just isn't pleasant.

But wadda I know, I'm just a guy.

I doubt your neighbor gives two shits what anyone thinks of her.

I don't have an "attractive" figure but I'll be fucked if that ever affects my self image or confidence.

I'm a large cup size but from my early teens the nips pointed down, and no amount of hosiery was going to alter my genes.
My grandmother never went without a bra a day in her life and she had droop as well. I'm comfortable in a bra but occasionally go with out around the house. I wear it for me, not for anyone else.

They are my booobs!

I love the feel of them, I love that they've supported my babies, I love that they're healthy and I am sooo over what other people think I should be doing with them.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Sagging breasts over time are much more to do with pregnancy and weight gain and your reaction to aging ligaments than whether you've worn a bra or not.

Wearing one tends to be about protecting nipples from chafing and not having pain from weights bouncing around the place.

And not having the rather unprofessional image of nipples sticking out through a top.

I doubt my work laptop cameras have the resolution to make any nipples visible under clothes, but I'm not risking it.

 

[YDB95]

. And others that don't because they are rebelling because the bra was invented by a man.

The bra wasn't invented by a man. A French woman, Herminie Cadolle, is generally credited with inventing the modern bra. Before that, there were some designs by men, but it was feminists who pushed the innovations that ultimately led to the bra (because the precursor, the corset, was uncomfortable and even dangerous if worn for too long at a time).

 

[BelleCanzuto]

I doubt your neighbor gives two shits what anyone thinks of her.

^^^This. I'm refraining from articulating my genuine response to the condescending and myopic comments of Messrs Carter and Pixel.

I don't have an "attractive" figure but I'll be fucked if that ever affects my self image or confidence.

This also

I'm a large cup size but from my early teens the nips pointed down, and no amount of hosiery was going to alter my genes.
My grandmother never went without a bra a day in her life and she had droop as well. I'm comfortable in a bra but occasionally go with out around the house. I wear it for me, not for anyone else.

I was barely done with puberty when I knew that "perky"was never going to be an appropriate descriptor for my breasts. You know what? My boyfriends didn't care.

I wear a bra at work, and if I'm going out for more than a quick errand. I find bras uncomfortable and I can't remember the last time I had one that fit well enough to do what it was "supposed" to according to some lingerie model fantasy.

I love that they're healthy and I am sooo over what other people think I should be doing with them.

And once again, ^^^this

Sagging breasts over time are much more to do with pregnancy and weight gain and your reaction to aging ligaments than whether you've worn a bra or not.

Yep.

 

[lovecraft68]

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[lovecraft68]

What a couple of killjoys.

Seriously, celebrate. Titties to the right, titties to the left. The world will be a better place when we're focused on the titties wandering around and not fighting.

And you won't have to fight to get her out of her iron maiden!

Seriously, grow the fuck up. Acting like a 12 year old talking about boobies like you've never seen them before.

"Men" like you embarrass the rest of us.

Maybe you can put that witty crap in your post in your 'female empowerment story'

Or better yet, maybe that excerpt of a story you sent me.

Maybe the women here should get to know what you think is arousing.

 

[gordo12]

Seriously, grow the fuck up. Acting like a 12 year old talking about boobies like you've never seen them before.

"Men" like you embarrass the rest of us.

Maybe you can put that witty crap in your post in your 'female empowerment story'

Or better yet, maybe that excerpt of a story you sent me.

Maybe the women here should get to know what you think is arousing.

Why don't you lighten up LC and like Simon said hoist a beer instead. You've been a fucking grouch for weeks now. I don't know what goes on in your life, but you have no reason to take it out here.

And we traded stories in CONFIDENCE. I keep my word about your story. But you wouldn't know I took your advice and toned it down considerably despite the fact my wife disagreed with you.

As for arousing...not even close.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

What a couple of killjoys.

Seriously, celebrate. Titties to the right, titties to the left. The world will be a better place when we're focused on the titties wandering around and not fighting.

And you won't have to fight to get her out of her iron maiden!

I celebrate boobs all the time. Yet I always feel sorry for all those young women with the knockers any larger then a C cup as those will be the one that give her troubled down the road. And anything larger than a C cup really doesn't turn me on. My was was a B cup most of her life, never needed a bra, yet wore them because her nips were almost always hard and her bras kept them under control.

She once lost a lot of weight, went down to a size 1 from a size 6. Her breasts went from the perfect C to a perfect A still loved them. Then she found out she had hep-c and started to take an anti-viral. They told her she would probably lose even more weight. Wrong, she gained weight, went right up to a D. Didn't like them as they hung there looking kind of... no not for me.

I have always been a small breast fan as I know that big breast will lead to trouble done the road for the women blessed with them.

 

[Comshaw]

This is my kind of news!

Free The Girls

What goes around always comes around. Bra burning "free the girls" circa 1968:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/23/16/e82316da35beadaa4ff78c53932f7efe.jpg

Comshaw

 

[jehoram]

One of the benefits of hanging around a lot of nudists is that you see lots of breasts as nature made them. Sure, they've lost a bit of "Perkiness" when the women get older, and droop and sagginess become the rule rather than the exception. But they're all beautiful, because they're all real, and they're all attached to women who have no qualms about showing them in public.

 

[gordo12]

My wife no longer enjoys the perkiness she did in her younger years. Her belly looks like a roadmap.

All of which is the reason I adore & love her. It's a picture of our life together, struggling & overcoming adversity. It's about pregnancy and raising children together and watching them take their first independent steps in life until they soar.

Despite any droopiness, I love her breasts. I love playing with them. Filling my hands with them and her subsequent reactions.

I confess to something of a breast fetish. I've done nude beaches, hot tubs with friends and enjoyed every damn minute of it with no apologies.

 

[Bramblethorn]

We have a neighbor who, 15 years ago, had this stunning pair of "hangers", showing them off in a bikini top whenever she worked outside. They are almost down to her pants top now that she's in her 40s. My wife makes a smug and disgusting comment about "tripping over 'em" nearly every time we see her. I grimace at her, truly feeling sorry for the lady and her fading youthful beauty.

It's quite possible she doesn't give a shit. Plenty of women don't depend on breast shape for self-esteem.

So you're absolutely right, "it depends." In my "pig!" maleness I'll suggest that C's, D's and larger need support if they expect to keep an attractive figure to maintain their self-image and by extension, self-confidence.

Yeah nah.

Bodies age. Anybody whose self-confidence depends on looking twenty when they're fifty is in for disappointment. The ones who have self-confidence at fifty are the ones who've found other ways to value themselves. It's okay to say "these are the kinds of titties I like to look at" without trying to rationalise it as something about the woman's self-confidence.

Sagging breasts over time are much more to do with pregnancy and weight gain and your reaction to aging ligaments than whether you've worn a bra or not.

Yep. AFAIK there's no evidence that bras change the natural course of sagging, although people in the business of selling bras would certainly like women to think that.

The bra wasn't invented by a man. A French woman, Herminie Cadolle, is generally credited with inventing the modern bra. Before that, there were some designs by men, but it was feminists who pushed the innovations that ultimately led to the bra (because the precursor, the corset, was uncomfortable and even dangerous if worn for too long at a time).

Depends on the corset. A well-fitted one can be comfortable and supportive; my partner used to wear one under regular clothes when she wanted back support.

 

[PennameWombat]

Sagging breasts over time are much more to do with pregnancy and weight gain and your reaction to aging ligaments than whether you've worn a bra or not.

Wearing one tends to be about protecting nipples from chafing and not having pain from weights bouncing around the place.
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I have a regular character in my stories (Tracy) who is a petite 20-something with small breasts that have no requirement for a bra. But she regularly wears one because her nipples tend to show too readily, unless the clothes are baggy, and she doesn't like baggy clothes because she feels she gets lost in them .

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Yep. AFAIK there's no evidence that bras change the natural course of sagging, although people in the business of selling bras would certainly like women to think that.
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Decades back, my then girlfriend had a sister. They were both tallish and thin and both had small breasts (my girlfriend told me they were both 'B' cups). There, the comparison ended. My girlfriend rarely wore a bra, had no need of one for support, usually wore a camisole to at least obscure her nipples. Her sister's breasts were the same size, and I never saw her topless, but my girlfriend said "they sag like you wouldn't believe!" Both had a child, so that wasn't a differentiator. They were both just either side of thirty, and the sister always wore bras, I was told.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

I know that big breast will lead to trouble done the road for the women blessed with them.

Obviously you like what you like, and to each their own preferences...
But this assertion of yours is arrant, arrogant bullshit. Some women may have back issues due to large breasts. But the vast majority of us don't. Our bodies are not objects for your pity or scorn. Human bodies change with age; men's bodies sag and wrinkle and creak, just like women's. Bras can be useful, or frivolous, painful or comfortable. But they're not necessary, they don't prevent the bodily changes that apparently disgust you and Pixel.

 

[MrPixel]

I'll go slither back under my rock.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Seeing as no-one else has mentioned it yet - cup size is a measure of the discrepancy between bust circumference and under-bust measurement, not a measure of volume of boobage.

And with bras over the last 30 years embracing modern elastic, you don't need to add 4 to an inch measurement to get a band size any more, either.

So in short, a 38B, 36C, 34D, 32DD, 30E, 28F are all the same breast size, going from the large to small range of ribcage sizes commonly available (about 18-8 in UK sizing, maybe 12-2 in US size). I admit that breasts look bit larger on a smaller frame, but given women are generally wearing a band size smaller than the pre-lycra era, this means that any woman with breasts meeting descriptors like 'handful' or 'tennis ball sized' likely has F,G or H-sized cups (the double letters and American triple letters become a bit inconsistent at this point), and 'DD' cups are actually not big.

Any author referring to 40DD breasts who doesn't realise they are describing a fat small-breasted woman, or talks about big tits but is unaware letters go above D, is implying they haven't been near any breasts since Page 3 was in the Sun (there used to be a topless teenager pictured each day)

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Obviously you like what you like, and to each their own preferences...
But this assertion of yours is arrant, arrogant bullshit. Some women may have back issues due to large breasts. But the vast majority of us don't. Our bodies are not objects for your pity or scorn. Human bodies change with age; men's bodies sag and wrinkle and creak, just like women's. Bras can be useful, or frivolous, painful or comfortable. But they're not necessary, they don't prevent the bodily changes that apparently disgust you and Pixel.

Well, how old are you? I do understand that some and young woman with those 44DDDDs might not have a problem with them now when they or you are young, but when you are 80, you won't be able to walk without a cane, walker, wheelchair. After seven plus decades, I have seen a lot and I mean a lot.

 

[gordo12]

Any author referring to 40DD breasts who doesn't realise they are describing a fat small-breasted woman, or talks about big tits but is unaware letters go above D, is implying they haven't been near any breasts since Page 3 was in the Sun (there used to be a topless teenager pictured each day)

Don't be too hard on the authors. I have to tell you that as a guy I haven't a clue how bras are measured. I only know the old school way...the girl would tell me.

Now I know the authors that describe them like 50FFF really need to grab a brain, but I stop reading right then and there.

But women have their secrets: bras, Tampax, pads and a host of other things men don't have a clue about. Have some sympathy for us!

PS I learned more about fitting bras from your post than I have in real life for the last 70 years.

 

[yowser]

Seeing as no-one else has mentioned it yet - cup size is a measure of the discrepancy between bust circumference and under-bust measurement, not a measure of volume of boobage.

So how would you actually measure 'boob volume'?

My buddy Lenny and I spent one whole afternoon trying to figure this out. Pre-physics class, rudimentary math, best we could come up with involved (rather awkward) water displacement apparatus. Never came up with an answer but had many hours of speculation pleasure.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

So how would you actually measure 'boob volume'?
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Taking this way too seriously: the combination of band size plus letters gives you a decent idea.

Say 40% of the band measurement (across your chest) is the same as the diameters of two breasts. Call that X. The distance to curve round the two breasts is X+the cup in numbers (A = 1 more inch, B=2, DD=5). Call that Y. So you have a rough semicircle, or more like a base X, then two quarter-circles and a straight line making Y. Extrapolate the radius per breast from there, then apply the formula for a hemi-sphere volume, 2piRcubed.

Displacing water out of a 10-litre bucket with a breast could work.

Or just stick to the classic small/ample/double-handful.

Ages ago, my colleague was searching for a scientific paper and mistyped his name. What came up were published papers from a guy who had funding to assess women's breasts by size, shape, surface texture, and squeezability, the last of which was sadly not very reliable so the same scientist had to assess them all.

Oh the hardship.

IIRC the data study used Texan cheerleaders. It was definitely one of those grant applications where someone had gone 'and we will examine the relationship between these factors and cancer, honest...

 

[Kumquatqueen]

But women have their secrets: bras, Tampax, pads and a host of other things men don't have a clue about. Have some sympathy for us!

PS I learned more about fitting bras from your post than I have in real life for the last 70 years.

I thought lingerie catalogues were staple wank material in Ye Olden Pre-Internet Days? Though I suppose the sizing guide wouldn't be male viewers first priority... I recommend the Bravissimo website - they only sell D-cups and above (up to KK and a few M), so one could see that a DD is not necessarily big.

Getting a bra the right shape so you don't get armpit boob is important if you gain weight. Then lift and scoop so it all goes into the bra, and presto, I can look like I've lost the 20kg I could do with losing, well, nearly.

The stupid secrecy over periods and all is thankfully dying out. The idea of hiding it from men should soon seem as daft as not telling anyone you're pregnant, as expected up to the 50s. Like you say, can't blame men if it's all hidden from them, but men should be able to stock up on pads for partners and daughters, provide a scared daughter with a hot water bottle, boil their menstrual cup, etc.