The Bigger Lie that threatens American democracy

[pecksniff]

Editorial.

The Big Lie was the final installment of a trilogy on an attack on arguably our most important civil rights legislation. Several states, including Georgia and Texas, exploited an opportunity to ride the wave of public distrust and recently used it as a pretext to justify the passage of legislation that solves a non-existent problem of widespread voter fraud.

For years, Republican-led legislatures have been attempting to convince the electorate that fraud not only exists, but that it is so rampant that it required strict voter laws to prevent it. But without the benefit of either widespread evidence or a powerful spokesman willing to use their megaphone for falsehoods, many of the state attempts largely fell upon deaf ears. That is, until then-President Donald Trump's post-election campaign to promote the Big Lie.

There was still a dearth of evidence, but this time the megaphone was held by the President of the United States of America who had fallen short of an electoral victory yet still secured just over 74 million votes. That was the missing link that provided cover for states that were already chomping at the bit to further restrict their voting laws. Now, the non-existent fraud could be used not only as a catalyst for legislation but a conduit to try to delegitimize election results.

As we near the first anniversary of January 6, we necessarily focus on the conduct of those who organized, facilitated and carried out a physical attack on the citadel of our democracy. But we must also focus on what is happening, and continues to happen, in the periphery, particularly attempts to use the Big Lie to justify the adoption of practices that not only deny or interfere with US citizens' right to vote, but to have those votes be counted by an apolitical body.

The Big Lie remains false, but the self-evident truth is that our democracy is under attack by those who keenly understand the power of the vote. It is not widespread voter fraud that they fear; it is widespread voter participation. It would be foolish to investigate an insurrection without continuing parallel investigations by the Department of Justice into state laws that target minority voters by adopting laws with discriminatory features, that actively seek to disenfranchise them and that create gerrymandered districts that dilute their voting power and strength.

 

[Cubantripod]

It makes sense now. You need the Democrat Big Lie to push for a Federal Takeover of elections in this country.

 

[BidudeinWi]

Editorial.

Hahaha! Ok! Stay on your meds!

 

[pecksniff]

It makes sense now. You need the Democrat Big Lie to push for a Federal Takeover of elections in this country.

Are in some kind of nonsequitur contest?

 

[Cubantripod]

Are in some kind of nonsequitur contest?

Your side is pushing the narrative that Republicans are disenfranchising minority voters. It's the only way you can push your federal take over of elections. It's not that difficult to follow.

 

[pecksniff]

Your side is pushing the narrative that Republicans are disenfranchising minority voters.

It ain't a false narrative.

It's the only way you can push your federal take over of elections. It's not that difficult to follow.

The Help America Vote Act ain't no "federal take over of elections." No more than the Voting Rights Act was.

 

[Secretive_Victoria]

Editorial.

The rioters who stormed the Capitol on January the 6th were largely triggered by white panic. They largely saw Donald Trump as some sort of white savior who would keep blacks, Latinos and other minorities "in their place" and make certain that white people didn't lose their right to abuse, harass, assault and exploit non-whites.

The claim that Trump one is a childishly transparent lie that even many Trump supporters don't believe. They just want their white savior in power to protect their white privilege and oppress those blacks, Indians, Koreans, Latinos, Pakistanis etc.

 

[icanhelp1]

The rioters who stormed the Capitol on January the 6th were largely triggered by white panic. They largely saw Donald Trump as some sort of white savior who would keep blacks, Latinos and other minorities "in their place" and make certain that white people didn't lose their right to abuse, harass, assault and exploit non-whites.

The claim that Trump one is a childishly transparent lie that even many Trump supporters don't believe. They just want their white savior in power to protect their white privilege and oppress those blacks, Indians, Koreans, Latinos, Pakistanis etc.

And yet you went and hired a true racist president, Biden! LMFAO People like you lack self awareness. Your attempt at vomiting your Marxist propaganda is comical.

 

[LittleDixie]

Did you know that the term "The Big Lie" was coined by Adolf Hitler in his book Mein Kampf?

Hitler said that The Big Lie was when the Jews blamed Germany's loss in WWI on a German general.

So, remember, whenever you hear the term "The Big Lie" used, that the term itself comes from Hitler.

"According to historian Jeffrey Herf, the Nazis used the idea of the original big lie to turn sentiment against Jews and justify the Holocaust. Herf maintains that Joseph Goebbels and the Nazi Party actually used the big lie technique that they described – and that they used it to turn long-standing antisemitism in Europe into mass murder. Herf further argues that the Nazis' big lie was their depiction of Germany as an innocent, besieged land striking back at "international Jewry", whom the Nazis blamed for starting World War I. Nazi propaganda repeatedly claimed that Jews held power behind the scenes in Britain, Russia, and the United States. It further spread claims that the Jews had begun a war of extermination against Germany, and used these to assert that Germany had a right to annihilate the Jews in self-defense."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

 

[ll74]

I don't think you realize that they use the term deliberately. And it was meant to draw comparisons, just not being used the way you think.

Did you know that the term "The Big Lie" was coined by Adolf Hitler in his book Mein Kampf?

Hitler said that The Big Lie was when the Jews blamed Germany's loss in WWI on a German general.

So, remember, whenever you hear the term "The Big Lie" used, that the term itself comes from Hitler.

"According to historian Jeffrey Herf, the Nazis used the idea of the original big lie to turn sentiment against Jews and justify the Holocaust. Herf maintains that Joseph Goebbels and the Nazi Party actually used the big lie technique that they described – and that they used it to turn long-standing antisemitism in Europe into mass murder. Herf further argues that the Nazis' big lie was their depiction of Germany as an innocent, besieged land striking back at "international Jewry", whom the Nazis blamed for starting World War I. Nazi propaganda repeatedly claimed that Jews held power behind the scenes in Britain, Russia, and the United States. It further spread claims that the Jews had begun a war of extermination against Germany, and used these to assert that Germany had a right to annihilate the Jews in self-defense."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

 

[RobDownSouth]

I don't think you realize that they use the term deliberately. And it was meant to draw comparisons, just not being used the way you think.

Oh, the "passable transvestite" is quite sure of the context here. That's why he posts his most indefensible positions under one of his nomme de slime alts. "Plausible deniability" and all that. He's the "smartest guy on Literotica"...just ask him.

 

[adrina]

Proof? We don't need no stinkin' proof.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Get over it. Trump won in 2016, Biden won in 2020, and Schumer is about lose his gambit to federalize elections in 2022.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I want to live in a world where a white milennial can ask for Eric Holder's ballot and be denied.

 

[pecksniff]

Get over it. Trump won in 2016, Biden won in 2020, and Schumer is about lose his gambit to federalize elections in 2022.

The Help America Vote Act would not "federalize elections." No more than the Voting Rights Act did.

 

[Rightguide]

Peck borrows the Soviet Big Lie Technique to gaslight the American people with more bullshit about the loss of voting rights when there is no such thing.

Note: All of a sudden a vote harvester comes forth in Georgia to confess to a large-scale conspiracy to harvest votes, which is illegal in Georgia. The state announced yesterday it is initiating a criminal investigation. But according to Peck and the rest of the lying left, this never happens.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And yet you went and hired a true racist president, Biden! LMFAO People like you lack self awareness. Your attempt at vomiting your Marxist propaganda is comical.

Biden ain't perfect. Not by a long, long shot and we all wish he was better. We do have a limited field and he was not chosen because he was racist. Trump was chosen specifically because he was a bigot of all stripes.

 

[pecksniff]

Peck borrows the Soviet Big Lie Technique to gaslight the American people with more bullshit about the loss of voting rights when there is no such thing.

Depends on how you define "loss of voting rights." Nobody's bringing back literacy tests or poll taxes or grandfather clauses, but there is an open campaign to put as many obstacles as possible between poor people and POC and the ballot box. Shutting down polling stations in black neighborhoods, altering early-voting hours to block "Souls to the Polls" voting drives -- all of that is voter suppression.

And authorizing state legislatures to overrule their own voters -- that's a step beyond voter suppression, that's banana-republic shit. The clause in the Constitution that guarantees every state a "republican form of government" has never been tested in the courts, as to what does or does not qualify as "republican," but that certainly wouldn't pass.

Note: All of a sudden a vote harvester comes forth in Georgia to confess to a large-scale conspiracy to harvest votes, which is illegal in Georgia. The state announced yesterday it is initiating a criminal investigation. But according to Peck and the rest of the lying left, this never happens.

If you can provide a cite for that, we will examine it, and it will turn out that there is nothing at all in the story that might have facilitated any fraudulent votes being cast.

 

[Rightguide]

Depends on how you define "loss of voting rights." Nobody's bringing back literacy tests or poll taxes or grandfather clauses, but there is an open campaign to put as many obstacles as possible between poor people and POC and the ballot box. Shutting down polling stations in black neighborhoods, altering early-voting hours to block "Souls to the Polls" voting drives -- all of that is voter suppression.



If you can provide a cite for that, we will examine it, and it will turn out that there is nothing at all in the story that might have facilitated any fraudulent votes being cast.

It's no surprise you're uninformed on this issue, you've been so from the beginning.


Georgia opens investigation into possible illegal ballot harvesting in 2020 election
Secretary of State Raffensperger says subpoenas could be forthcoming.


By John Solomon
Updated: January 4, 2022 - 7:35pm

Georgia authorities have launched an investigation into an allegation of systematic ballot harvesting during the state's 2020 general election and subsequent U.S. Senate runoff and may soon issue subpoenas to secure evidence, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger confirmed to Just the News.

Georgia law strictly prohibits third-party activists from picking up and delivering ballots on behalf of voters, a tactic called "harvesting" that liberal organizers have tried to get legalized in many battleground states without success. The U.S. Supreme Court this summer rejected Democrat efforts to overturn an Arizona law that outlawed harvesting in the battleground state.

Raffensperger, who is seeking reelection in 2022, led a successful effort in 2019 to strengthen Georgia's prohibition against harvesting ahead of the 2020 presidential election, and defeated an effort by prominent Democrat lawyer Marc Elias to overturn the harvesting ban. Raffensperger also reviewed and rejected claims by former President Donald Trump of widespread fraud during the 2020 election in a series of contacts under investigation by a local district attorney in Atlanta and the Jan. 6 select committee in Congress.

According to interviews and documents reviewed by Just the News, Raffensperger's office received a detailed complaint from conservative voter integrity group True the Vote on Nov. 30 saying it had assembled evidence that scores of activists worked with nonprofit groups to collect and deliver thousands of absentee ballots, often during wee-hour operations, to temporary voting drop boxes distributed around the state during the pandemic.

The group informed the secretary its evidence included video footage from surveillance cameras placed by counties outside the drop boxes as well as geolocation data for the cell phones of more than 200 activists seen on the tapes purportedly showing the dates and times of ballot drop-offs, according to documents reviewed by Just the News.

https://justthenews.com/politics-po...ation-possible-illegal-ballot-harvesting-2020

 

[KeithD]

It makes sense now. You need the Democrat Big Lie to push for a Federal Takeover of elections in this country.

The rampant dishonesty of the Republicans should, indeed, lead to a total federal takeover of federal elections and the imposition of "one citizen, one vote" standards. We have consolidated as a nation. The federal-level voting can no longer be left to the states, thanks to Republican dishonesty.

 

[pecksniff]

Georgia law strictly prohibits third-party activists from picking up and delivering ballots on behalf of voters, a tactic called "harvesting" . . .

And there is nothing at all in that that might have facilitated any fraudulent votes being cast. Every vote that arrives in the elections office, whether from a polling station or by mail or by "harvest," gets vetted in the same way.

 

[LittleDixie]

I don't think you realize that they use the term deliberately. And it was meant to draw comparisons, just not being used the way you think.

Actually, the real issue is that Hitler has many quotes attributed to him about telling a lie big enough and "the big lie".

If you look at the full context of those quotes, you'll find that he was claiming that Jews and other people he wanted to turn the public against were lying to the German people. He was framing his enemies as being the perpetrators of the lies. He was not advocating lying, he was explaining why other people had different opinions than him, and coloring their opinions as lies.

This is exactly what you all are doing when you accuse right wingers of advocates of the big lie.

The circumstances of Hitler's use of the term, and your use of the term are similar. You both are using the "big lie" rhetoric against your opponents, saying that they are the ones pushing the big lie.

 

[ll74]

Yes, I get that you don't get the deliberate use.

Actually, the real issue is that Hitler has many quotes attributed to him about telling a lie big enough and "the big lie".

If you look at the full context of those quotes, you'll find that he was claiming that Jews and other people he wanted to turn the public against were lying to the German people. He was framing his enemies as being the perpetrators of the lies. He was not advocating lying, he was explaining why other people had different opinions than him, and coloring their opinions as lies.

This is exactly what you all are doing when you accuse right wingers of advocates of the big lie.

The circumstances of Hitler's use of the term, and your use of the term are similar. You both are using the "big lie" rhetoric against your opponents, saying that they are the ones pushing the big lie.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Trump peddled lies and accusations for 4 years. Telling you the media is fake, immigrants are taking over, democrats want to destroy the country. Little tranny boi over looks all that.

 

[YDB95]

Trump peddled lies and accusations for 4 years. Telling you the media is fake, immigrants are taking over, democrats want to destroy the country. Little tranny boi over looks all that.

Not to mention the psychological profile of Hitler from 1943 that concluded, among other things, that he was "... never to admit a fault or wrong; never to accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time; blame that enemy for everything that goes wrong; take advantage of every opportunity to raise a political whirlwind."

If you didn't know it was about Hitler, that could just as easily have been written about Trump.