Is a guy "with" two sisters incest?

[BillyAndBetty]

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[SimonDoom]

The first question to ask is always: what's the main erotic appeal of the story?

If a guy has a sexual encounter with two sisters, what's sexy about the story? If it's from his point of view, then it's not the incest element. It's something else. Maybe group sex. I don't know. But the way you describe it, it doesn't sound like incest. But it could be, depending upon how you describe the relationship between the sisters and whether that relationship, as opposed to the relationship between the sisters and the guy, is the driving erotic force of the story.

Suppose you have a story about a guy who has an encounter with two sisters, and as things proceed he watches the two sisters getting it on with each other, and that becomes the focus of the story. That's incest. But if the focus is on how each of them is pleasuring him, and their contact with one another is incidental and primarily intended to please him, that doesn't sound like incest.

It's hard to know in the abstract.

 

[KeithD]

Sex with a sister is incest however you cut it. Making it two doesn't negate that. Was this a trick question?

On one of the other questions, I'd put a three-way between a sister and two brothers in GM. Two men are having sex. A significant number of readers at Literotica have a hang-up with male-male sex that makes GM the best category fix, I think--with "incest" and "threesome" tags.

I wouldn't give the same consideration in putting two sisters and a brother in Lesbian (or three sisters). I'd put that in incest. There doesn't seem to be a hang-up about lesbian sex here that there is about GM (maybe because those guys hanging up on GM think they are the answer to curing lesbians so just let the girls do it until the reader comes along and then surely he'll satisfy them both).

 

[BillyAndBetty]

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[RejectReality]

You're going to cross the line with some readers just by having siblings anywhere near each other outside of Incest. Probably not a huge number.

That's going to steadily ramp up the more they're engaging each other. If they're just sharing the same guy and not getting touchy-feelie with each other, it's most certainly not going to appeal to the Incest readership.

That doesn't mean Laurel won't move it there. Putting blood relations together into a sex scene without going for the gold is something you want to temper your expectations on.

It's a popular trope, but with the "taboo" part of the category being all but meaningless to the reality of the readership, it's difficult to categorize it so the people who enjoy it will find it, and the people it creeps out can avoid it.

There are some things that simply don't have a good home on Lit due to the tribalized nature of the category readerships, and incest-lite is one of them.

 

[KeithD]

Unrelated man, having sex with two sisters, thus sisters having sex with each other too. Incest.

Unrelated woman, having sex with two brothers, thus brothers having sex with each other too. GM with an "incest" tag.

 

[HeyAll]

The sisters have to sexually touch, otherwise the readers won't be happy, and rightfully so.

But if, let's say, you had a woman have sex with a mom and later the daughter, and that was submitted to Lesbian, then no one would complain that it feels like incest.

 

[LexxRuthless]

As the author, you can submit your story into whichever category you think it will best fit. It is in your best interest to put it in the category where you feel it will appeal to the most readers. However, you may find yourself overruled. Laurel may deem the story incestuous and put it into that category even if you make it clear that the sisters (or brothers) carefully avoid making physical contact with each other.

That is probably the worst possible scenario for you as the author. You will have published a story in which you have carefully avoided having incest, but it winds up in the incest category, where it will get bombed by readers because it doesn't contain any incest. At least you still have the option of pulling the story from the site.

Also worth noting: if the guy is married to one of the girls, then having sex with his sister-in-law will automatically put the story into the incest category. In-law sex counts as incest by the site's criteria, but readers in the category tend to down-vote those stories quite a bit as some of them deem "it's not really incest."

 

[RejectReality]

It's story ideas like this that make me say to cultivate multiple venues. A place with tag-based navigation or one with incest and taboo split into two categories makes it much easier to target the readership that's going to enjoy it. Here you have to go in understanding that you're rolling the dice with incest-lite in any other category, or tossing it into the void in Incest where it will be ignored/lambasted.

It will still likely get read more here than anywhere else, but it's unlikely to be much of a performer in any other statistic, which hurts its draw to your catalog, and the story's long-term prospects.

The old effort/reward calculation that only you can make, and sometimes mess up the math on

 

[8letters]

A serious question (I'm looking for a Literotica answer not a legal one). I mean if watching people having sex is a sex act then is that rather popular heterosexual trope of having sex with two sisters an incestuous or a non-incestuos three way?

I'd say it's incest. If a woman masturbates while she watches her sister fuck a guy, it's incest. Any sexual activity where family members participate is incest. That being said, it'd be challenging to make such a story appeal to I/T readers.

Edit: I've started a story, "Taking My Sister To A Swinging Retreat". Most of the story is the brother and sister, who are pretending to be a married couple, swinging with other couples. Until the end, they don't touch other. Would I consider the scenes where they have sex with other couples incestuous? Yes. They are very aware that being naked together is wrong.

 

[lovecraft68]

My take is this

If the sisters are touching each other, yes

If they're messing with the guy one at a time or he's always between them, no.

However, you could still see it as a form of taboo, just not incest.

I found the best way to win this argument with a reader from awhile back

Him: if its two sisters its incest even if they're not touching
Me: so when two guys share a woman they're gay?
Him Of course not! They're not touching
Me:...Then let's start again.

 

[8letters]

My take is this

If the sisters are touching each other, yes

If they're messing with the guy one at a time or he's always between them, no.

However, you could still see it as a form of taboo, just not incest.

I found the best way to win this argument with a reader from awhile back

Him: if its two sisters its incest even if they're not touching
Me: so when two guys share a woman they're gay?
Him Of course not! They're not touching
Me:...Then let's start again.

If an older woman performs a strip tease for a young man, that's okay, correct? Consenting adults and all that.

If a school teacher performs a strip tease for one of her students, that's wrong, correct? Why? Because it's taboo - teachers shouldn't do anything remotely sexual with their students even if they don't touch.

If a mom performs a sexy strip tease for her son, that's wrong, correct? Why? Because it's incest, even though they never touch.

 

[lovecraft68]

If an older woman performs a strip tease for a young man, that's okay, correct? Consenting adults and all that.

If a school teacher performs a strip tease for one of her students, that's wrong, correct? Why? Because it's taboo - teachers shouldn't do anything remotely sexual with their students even if they don't touch.

If a mom performs a sexy strip tease for her son, that's wrong, correct? Why? Because it's incest, even though they never touch.

Taboo.....as in society in general would frown upon it, yes. Incest no.

People are going to have different takes on this, that's why my post started with "my take is" mine is it needs to be sexual contact to be incest.

I'll throw you another double standard, we're talking two sisters....yes, its incest, hmmm sexy lesbian sisters! Even if they're not touching

Two bothers with one girl...Hmm sexy young gay brothers, right? Wrong the phobes and real men would be screaming , no, they're not gay, they're not touching, its not even incest!

All about the presentation in that instance.

Also if we want to expand the conversation...if two women share a guy, but don't touch are they lesbians? Being naked in front of each other and watching each other have sex with a man makes them lesbian? No.

Are two guys with a woman and not touching, but seeing each other's cock and fucking now gay? No

So why if related, is it incest?

Its taboo, which until Kay Parker's movie had a much broader meaning than it does now in the world of erotica where taboo is now all but synonymous with incest

 

[TarnishedPenny]

This isn’t, IMO, all that complicated.

• Sister 1 has sex (of any kind, to any degree) with Sister 2. Incest, by any standard.
• Boy has sex with Sister 1. Not incest, even if Sister 2 is present.
• Boy has sex with Sister 2. Not incest, even if Sister 1 is present.
• Either sister participates (in any way) with boy having sex with other sister? Incest.
• Either sister gets sexually aroused to any degree watching other sister have sex with boy, but there’s no further involvement? Probably incest and Laurel tosses the coin.

You pays your money, you takes your chances.

 

[lovecraft68]

This isn’t, IMO, all that complicated.

• Sister 1 has sex (of any kind, to any degree) with Sister 2. Incest, by any standard.
• Boy has sex with Sister 1. Not incest, even if Sister 2 is present.
• Boy has sex with Sister 2. Not incest, even if Sister 1 is present.
• Either sister participates (in any way) with boy having sex with other sister? Incest.
• Either sister gets sexually aroused to any degree watching other sister have sex with boy, but there’s no further involvement? Probably incest and Laurel tosses the coin.

You pays your money, you takes your chances.

No doubt it goes in incest here, I'm talking a broader scale because I like to think outside of lit's little box which it seems some people mistake for real life.

I think it was Sean Renaud who messed with a story where a bi-sexual cougar kitten couple, picked up a guy on a cruise and role played being mother/daughter for some kind of weird thrill for them and for the guy who did think they were mom/daughter

Not incest in anyway, one guess to where it ended up.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm with Lovecraft on this one. I don't think the fact that two sisters are involved automatically makes it incest. You have to think about it from the standpoint of the reader and what their kink is. What drives the eroticism of the story?

If the story is narrated by a guy and he's describing two sisters getting it on with each other, then yes, it belongs in incest. And as KeithD says, if it's a woman narrating two brothers getting it on with each other, it's Gay Male, for no reason other than the peculiar preferences of Literotica readers.

But if it's narrated by a guy and the emphasis is on how he's scoring with two hot sisters in the same encounter, that's not necessarily incest.

Let's say, for example, the narrator/main character has anal sex with two sisters in his hotel room after meeting them at the hotel bar one night, and there's some incidental sexual contact between the sisters. That's an anal story, not an incest story.

Putting it in incest might get you more views, because incest always gets more views, but it might piss off the incest readers, because incest readers are looking for something different (i.e., not anal).

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm with Lovecraft on this one. I don't think the fact that two sisters are involved automatically makes it incest. You have to think about it from the standpoint of the reader and what their kink is. What drives the eroticism of the story?

If the story is narrated by a guy and he's describing two sisters getting it on with each other, then yes, it belongs in incest. And as KeithD says, if it's a woman narrating two brothers getting it on with each other, it's Gay Male, for no reason other than the peculiar preferences of Literotica readers.

But if it's narrated by a guy and the emphasis is on how he's scoring with two hot sisters in the same encounter, that's not necessarily incest.

Let's say, for example, the narrator/main character has anal sex with two sisters in his hotel room after meeting them at the hotel bar one night, and there's some incidental sexual contact between the sisters. That's an anal story, not an incest story.

Putting it in incest might get you more views, because incest always gets more views, but it might piss off the incest readers, because incest readers are looking for something different (i.e., not anal).

Its a no win. In anal-per your example-just the fact they're sisters might squick some, in fact they may click off before going far enough to see there's no contact, but you're right that in incest, people will be upset there was no sexual contact...

which proves that it isn't incest because it would tank in the INCEST category.

Another example...if two sisters hooked up with two guys and they were each getting it doggy style while on the same bed and close to each other...is that incest? No, but it seems some here might think it would be

Group sex should be the right place...incest...an epic fail.

 

[lovecraft68]

Just as an aside....I want everyone here to try and imagine having this conversation with regular people in your life....

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Just as an aside....I want everyone here to try and imagine having this conversation with regular people in your life....

Wait, what? We’re allowed to have ‘regular’ people in our lives?

Who knew?

 

[PennameWombat]

As the author, you can submit your story into whichever category you think it will best fit. It is in your best interest to put it in the category where you feel it will appeal to the most readers. However, you may find yourself overruled. Laurel may deem the story incestuous and put it into that category even if you make it clear that the sisters (or brothers) carefully avoid making physical contact with each other.
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Not picking on this quote, just that it fits as well with my experience as anything in this thread.

I've never done "siblings with a third person but not sexual directly with each other." I have, however, had mother and daughter do a three-way with a guy (not related to them) in two different stories in SF&F. In one the mother and daughter were humanoid aliens (the daughter gene-modified to LOOK human) and the guy was a human. But I also had a human mother 'accidentally' walk into a bedroom where her daughter was having sex. The mother used her mouth to finish the guy off while the daughter watched. Mothers and daughters never touched.

In a Group Sex story I had a mother, father and their son triple-team the son's new girlfriend. No direct contact between son and his parents although it was his POV and he noted the odd feeling of his father's cock being up his girlfriends ass while his was in her pussy. And he noted he'd never expected to see his mother "from this angle" (she was squatted at his shoulder so the girlfriend could do oral on her pussy while the son was on his back.)

This was after the girlfriend's mother had made the daughter watch her get DP'd by her husband and boyfriend's father while she sucked the boyfriend's cock. The boyfriend's mother 'warmed the girlfriend up' while they watched...

But back to the quoted excerpt, these stories all had plot drivers outside of these specific scenes. The Group Sex story was built around the boyfriend-girlfriend finally admitting long-subsumed romantic feelings for each other (they'd been friends since childhood) and then discovering their parents have had a long-time sharing relationship and the daughter then challenging her mother about who was the horniest and could fuck the most. There were some sidelines, such as a sudden massive flare from the sun and discovery of another planet with life on it.

I don't consider any of these incest and didn't even consider putting any into I/T. The Group Sex story is one of my highest rated stories, but none of these mentioned have 'incest' nor 'taboo' tags. I've had no complaints from readers (on these points at least) and no issues from Laurel when I submitted them.

 

[PennameWombat]

Just as an aside....I want everyone here to try and imagine having this conversation with regular people in your life....

Just in case anyone wonders why I talk to ya'll here... see my previous posting.

Wait, what? We’re allowed to have ‘regular’ people in our lives?

Who knew?

And if my thought-dreams could be seen
They'd probably put my head in a guillotine

It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)
Song by Bob Dylan

 

[lovecraft68]

Wait, what? We’re allowed to have ‘regular’ people in our lives?

Who knew?

Irregular people are good too, even recommended.

 

[SimonDoom]

Just as an aside....I want everyone here to try and imagine having this conversation with regular people in your life....

That's a big "Nope."

That applies to EVERY conversation I have here at Literotica. I'm sure people who know me would be shocked at the stuff I say and the stories I write.

 

[BillyAndBetty]

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[lovecraft68]

Kind of off topic a little, but this is why writing in the pay market is a lot more freeing and liberating. You can write and publish this story for sale and not take heat from the buyer as long as your description is accurate and not misleading.

Lit needs categories, the site wouldn't work if it was just thousands of stories lumped under erotica, I think its the right approach, people find what they like, avoid what they don't

But then you have a story with mixed elements and you get these issues and the story generally, where ever it ends up, doesn't do well, and its a reflection of being put in a box, more than the writing or story itself