Charles Kushner case and pardon

[WillJ8787]

Source:
https://apnews.com/article/donald-t...ctions-crime-00476ac6d7201f05d88a338bd101f597

How does one tell whether they are dealing with swamp dwellers? Well, if all of the other loathsome stuff swirling about Trump, the Trump family and the Kushner's just isn't enough for you, this case and pardon is just another clear indication of the low level of swamp scum that had found its way into the highest elected offices of the United States.

Charles Kushner set up his on brother-in-law with a prostitute to record it and use it as coercion to force him not to cooperate with law enforcement officials (federal and state).

Christie put him in jail and Trump pardons him.

Low life's!!!

 

[phrodeau]

But what about Burisma?

 

[KeithD]

Charles Kushner once said he didn't want a pardon because it would lift it all into the public purview again and expose the Kushners to folks who hadn't known any of this. He was right. Giving him a pardon is a reminder to all of how much of a scum bag Trump and those around him are.

 

[zipman]

But what about Burisma?

Burisma? What about Benghazi???

 

[phrodeau]

Charles Kushner once said he didn't want a pardon because it would lift it all into the public purview again and expose the Kushners to folks who hadn't known any of this. He was right. Giving him a pardon is a reminder to all of how much of a scum bag Trump and those around him are.

Et tu, Fox News?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/who-is-charles-kushner-trump-pardon.amp

 

[jomar]

He’d already served his time and moved so yeah, this was really just a spotlight on family’s criminality and corruption. But hey, maybe now he can get that law license back.

 

[KeithD]

Except that a pardon is based on recognition of guilt. Accepting the pardon accepts the original conviction.

 

[Just4AFriend]

Will Trump, or has Trump, pardoned anyone who deserved and wanted the pardon?
Oh.. who went through the normal process ALL citizens should go through to eliminate the stench of corruption? How much did the Dr in Florida pay him? One billion in Medicare fraud?? A tad embarrassing to the Rupukelicans? Just biludiness as usual for the the Retrumplicans?

He has multiplied the sins of previous Presidents, and he is far from being done !!

 

[LLCox]

Charles Kushner set up his on brother-in-law with a prostitute to record it and use it as coercion to force him not to cooperate with law enforcement officials (federal and state).

trump believes that is just how you do business.

 

[ishtat]

Will Trump, or has Trump, pardoned anyone who deserved and wanted the pardon?

Yes, Jack Johnson - the only boxer who can be credibly compared to Mohamed Ali.

I am reliably informed that Johnson on being told that Trump was about to be born took the decision to depart this life 3 days before that disaster in June 1946.

Johnson always had perfect timing.

 

[jomar]

Except that a pardon is based on recognition of guilt. Accepting the pardon accepts the original conviction.

Sometimes you just suck the air right out of the room.

 

[phrodeau]

Except that a pardon is based on recognition of guilt. Accepting the pardon accepts the original conviction.

The fun thing is that a pardon shields the person from the original crime (no double jeopardy) so he can be subpoenaed to testify against others without incriminating himself.

 

[icanhelp1]

Full Pardon Law and Legal Definition


Full pardon is a pardon which remits the punishment and blots out the existence of guilt. Effect of full pardon is that in the eyes of the law the offender is as innocent as if he had never committed the offense. It removes any disqualifications or punitive effect stemming from conviction.

 

[icanhelp1]

Sometimes you just suck the air right out of the room.

As usual SKY PILOT doesn't make any sense. A pardon cannot be administered to a a crime that wasn't committed, so, the obvious is a pardon is directed to absolve a criminal offense.

There's a big difference between commuting a sentence and a full pardon, KD seeing things through TDS glasses.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Full Pardon Law and Legal Definition


Full pardon is a pardon which remits the punishment and blots out the existence of guilt. Effect of full pardon is that in the eyes of the law the offender is as innocent as if he had never committed the offense. It removes any disqualifications or punitive effect stemming from conviction.

I do not agree personally with a President, ( or any other elected leader) having the ability to over turn the Courts.

But since Trump started handing these last few out, and seeing the "discussions" on here about them, I did a bit of online searching to edumacate myself on them.

Seems to be a difference of opinion on how a recipient of a pardon should be viewed.

As ican point to above is one view, KiethD with the view that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.

Well both can be correct it seems, and both can be wrong, since, there is no "precedent" in Law.

Also Pardons can be presumptive ( see Nixon) and they also do not have to made public.

Though on the issue of a "presumptive self Pardon, that seems to be up in the air, but the majority agreement is, if one is issued, it will be tested through to the SCOTUS ( when it is used....).

Fun times.....

 

[phrodeau]

Full Pardon Law and Legal Definition


Full pardon is a pardon which remits the punishment and blots out the existence of guilt. Effect of full pardon is that in the eyes of the law the offender is as innocent as if he had never committed the offense. It removes any disqualifications or punitive effect stemming from conviction.

One must acknowledge the existence of guilt before one can blot it out.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Ivanka's kids will be only Americans to have one grandfather pardon the other grandfather.

 

[KeithD]

Full Pardon Law and Legal Definition


Full pardon is a pardon which remits the punishment and blots out the existence of guilt. Effect of full pardon is that in the eyes of the law the offender is as innocent as if he had never committed the offense. It removes any disqualifications or punitive effect stemming from conviction.

There are innumerable actual lawyers, who can actually show they are members of the bar, on the airwaves disagreeing with you. And you're as sleazy as Trump is, so you can just pound sand on this.

 

[jaF0]

Seems like the required admission of guilt should make civil cases a slam dunk.

 

[Champakian]

To the OP:

Dear sir,

Apostrophe's do not denote plural.​

Signed, the other poster's