Wear a mask!

[VaticanAssassin]

he seems to have deluded himself into thinking his private insurance somehow guarantee his family preferred access to intensive care unit beds.

Lots of white folks in middle American are slowly drowning in their own fluids in emergency rooms waiting for ICU beds still believe that.

To spend a day in the miniature black hole that is your mind.... a small cavern of which no light of wisdom nor truth escapes.

A journey that would terrify even Vergil, despite being of a depth 6 and 3/4 less than 7.

 

[hogjack]

If certain people had worn condoms this thread would be a lot shorter.

 

[RobDownSouth]

When you compare our preparedness at the start, our beds per 100k, ICU beds per 100, etc.. was on average 400% higher than countries with national health care. IE. ~35per 100k here vs. 7 per 100k in England.

Those numbers have only approved.

We have never been and remain in no danger of running out of beds.

By design, national healthcare will never be as efficient or prepared as a private system.

You get what you pay for they say...

You keep drinkin' that free-market koolaid, ole pal.

Here in Houston, we have more ICU beds per capita than just about any place in the country (we have 7 major hospital systems here).

Two weeks after "maskless Memorial Day", our vaunted system reported 98% of all ICU beds were occupied. Highest occupancy rate ever recorded...even after multiple hurricanes.

So Governor Greg Abbott panicked, broke from Trump and FINALLY issued a "wear a mask, disregard what I previously said" order.

BUT...he also did something sneaky: The metric used year-to-date was to count "Any body in an ICU bed". Pretty simple, no? Abbott strong-armed the hospitals to change their metric to "any body in a bed that could potentially become an ICU bed"....to hell with the fact that there's no sterility or people to actually STAFF these empty wards, they're now "ICU beds". 97% occupancy became 79% occupancy overnight. It's smoke and mirrors, just the way you Free-Market-Uber-Alles numpties like things.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

When you compare our preparedness at the start, our beds per 100k, ICU beds per 100, etc.. was on average 400% higher than countries with national health care. IE. ~35per 100k here vs. 7 per 100k in England.

Those numbers have only approved.

We have never been and remain in no danger of running out of beds.

By design, national healthcare will never be as efficient or prepared as a private system.

You get what you pay for they say...

You keep drinkin' that free-market koolaid, ole pal.

Here in Houston, we have more ICU beds per capita than just about any place in the country (we have 7 major hospital systems here).

Two weeks after "maskless Memorial Day", our vaunted system reported 98% of all ICU beds were occupied. Highest occupancy rate ever recorded...even after multiple hurricanes.

So Governor Greg Abbott panicked, broke from Trump and FINALLY issued a "wear a mask, disregard what I previously said" order.

BUT...he also did something sneaky: The metric used year-to-date was to count "Any body in an ICU bed". Pretty simple, no? Abbott strong-armed the hospitals to change their metric to "any body in a bed that could potentially become an ICU bed"....to hell with the fact that there's no sterility or people to actually STAFF these empty wards, they're now "ICU beds". 97% occupancy became 79% occupancy overnight. It's smoke and mirrors, just the way you Free-Market-Uber-Alles numpties like things.

Chuckles, it gets even better, ( I love it when a non medical person tries to be a google show off. Maybe talk to an ICU nurse or Doctor first even eh?)

So total ICU bed per 100k means nothing, it is the type of care those ICU beds offer!!( even beds is the wrong term but I'll stick with it so idiots can follow along)
So there are beds for infants, beds for preteens, adults, and geriatric. Not all ICU "beds" offer the same types of treatments. ( I am sure you all noticed when you go to an ICU unit there are different rooms and equipment in each eh??)

Also density of ICU units per population area matters, in large urban, ( as Rob points out) have a greater density of ICU beds, where an remote area like myself has ZERO ICU units. ( No fucking hospital either it's 60 miles away). (15/100k in large urban .9/100k in remote rural, in Canada and COVID-19 doesn't care about rural vs urban btw)

It has nothing to do with public vs private healthcare, more right wing bullshit, it has to do with the resources available, and you fucked up idiots promoting not wearing masks etc are going to learn that the hard way...

It has to do with the staff and equipment...intensive care can be offered anywhere ( think of the TV show MASH people) what defines intensive care is the equipment and the trained people not a room in a building....something the US may find itself in short supply of again....

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Chuckles, it gets even better, ( I love it when a non medical person tries to be a google show off. Maybe talk to an ICU nurse or Doctor first even eh?)

So total ICU bed per 100k means nothing, it is the type of care those ICU beds offer!!( even beds is the wrong term but I'll stick with it so idiots can follow along)
So there are beds for infants, beds for preteens, adults, and geriatric. Not all ICU "beds" offer the same types of treatments. ( I am sure you all noticed when you go to an ICU unit there are different rooms and equipment in each eh??)

Also density of ICU units per population area matters, in large urban, ( as Rob points out) have a greater density of ICU beds, where an remote area like myself has ZERO ICU units. ( No fucking hospital either it's 60 miles away). (15/100k in large urban .9/100k in remote rural, in Canada and COVID-19 doesn't care about rural vs urban btw)

It has nothing to do with public vs private healthcare, more right wing bullshit, it has to do with the resources available, and you fucked up idiots promoting not wearing masks etc are going to learn that the hard way...

It has to do with the staff and equipment...intensive care can be offered anywhere ( think of the TV show MASH people) what defines intensive care is the equipment and the trained people not a room in a building....something the US may find itself in short supply of again....

ok... lets pretend 90% of what you just said isn't bullshit.

"It has to do with the staff and equipment"

Equipment. Since ventilators is what Rob originally brought up and what can be considered the most important lets go there.

US started with 35 per 100k. Closer to 48 per 100k now. UK? 6.6 per 100k. The average for all with national health care countries? less than 10 per 100K.

Staff you say? Yep. The spreads are comparable.

But it has nothing to do with private vs. national right?



Anyway. I am sure your anecdotal non relevant "evidence" convinced you.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Staff you say? Yep. The spreads are comparable.

Not sure what your point is here.

Sure, you can sprinkle fairy dust on a hospital bed and declare it a "potential ICU bed"...I'll concede that point, however shaky it is.

ICU nursing, however, is a specialty (not unlike pediatric nursing, obstetric nursing, etc). You can't point your magic wand and say "Expostfacto! You're now an ICU NURSE!"

So my question is, whar are these magical ICU nurses coming from?

 

[Conager]

I am taking extra precautions, myself.

When I realized that individual whiskers have been able to find their way through my face covering I'm continuing to grow my beard and order to plug up the holes that the virus might be getting through.

 

[Klinkster]

I am taking extra precautions, myself.

When I realized that individual whiskers have been able to find their way through my face covering I'm continuing to grow my beard and order to plug up the holes that the virus might be getting through.

Some jobs I have worked, we didn't allow facial hair, just because the respirators do not seal well.
How do we know? We tested them. We would have people put on a mask, and breathe, and release banana oil around the mask and their face. (unless we wanted to be mean to 'em....and we used mercaptan)

Got a place were facial hair is under the seal....you can smell the gas, without question. And that's a soft silicone rubber respirator.

 

[ryan8558]

will a mask stop an individual virus particle? no

will it stop some of your spittle from going into someone's mouth, nose or eyes? yes

goggles would help the other person too. but I don't see them requiring goggles to be worn.

 

[Klinkster]

will a mask stop an individual virus particle? no

will it stop some of your spittle from going into someone's mouth, nose or eyes? yes

goggles would help the other person too. but I don't see them requiring goggles to be worn.

-some, yes, but much depends on the size of the 'spittle' particle, and the construction (material) of the mask.

-you leave out that fact that disposable masks do not seal to your face, worth a damn. Anyone who has worn these things working in dusty environments, has removed them, and found their face and the inside of the mask covered with dust. I have....it's normal for disposables.

-yup. You can be infected by viruses through your eyes. I would guess that covid-19 is no different than other viruses.

 

[Conager]

Yeah, the mine I worked at would not even fit you for a respirator unless you were clean shaven.

Cloth face coverings do work. They stop the spittle-flecks from hitting their screens as the scream about how this virus would be over if not for the non-believers.

Droplets can spread the virus, but due to their size and weight the hit the floor within a meter, (not six feet) because there is this thing called gravity and physics dictates what happens to a falling object.

Aerosolized viruses do not care about the little dots and tape on the ground in six-foot intervals. They can and do drift great distances, can linger for a very long time, can be drawn in and spread by HVAC systems and are too small to be stopped by even a HEPA filter, much less a couple of layers of fabric.

If masks worked, then HEPA systems would prevent the spread in indoor locations and we know that is not effective, even in hospitals.

 

[Klinkster]

We used to keep some cheap disposable razors on hand for new hires.
Any facial hair has to fit inside the mask, or we aren't even going to try & fit you.
And if you aren't fitted to a mask, you aren't heading underground.
Didn't need any lawsuist like all those folks who used the old MSA Dustfoes.

Hepa filters are rated to .3 um, just like NIOSH masks & respirator filters. Difference being, Hepa's are 99.97% efficient, like a N or P-100.

Woven fabric, to a covid-19 virus, looks like a bunch of garage doors....

Yeah, the mine I worked at would not even fit you for a respirator unless you were clean shaven.

Cloth face coverings do work. They stop the spittle-flecks from hitting their screens as the scream about how this virus would be over if not for the non-believers.

Droplets can spread the virus, but due to their size and weight the hit the floor within a meter, (not six feet) because there is this thing called gravity and physics dictates what happens to a falling object.

Aerosolized viruses do not care about the little dots and tape on the ground in six-foot intervals. They can and do drift great distances, can linger for a very long time, can be drawn in and spread by HVAC systems and are too small to be stopped by even a HEPA filter, much less a couple of layers of fabric.

If masks worked, then HEPA systems would prevent the spread in indoor locations and we know that is not effective, even in hospitals.

 

[Conager]

More like a dipper door on an XPC 4100

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/b5/a6/fa/b5a6fa8b5823416ca25f9e5733a0b976.jpg?nii=t

 

[jaF0]

Perhaps we should wrap everybody in 10mil plastic bags. That'd be sure to keep stuff in ... and out.

 

[doowdniw]

They make it harder to spot Antifa, anarchists, and criminals in a crowd.

Right, because none of them were wearing masks before.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

ok... lets pretend 90% of what you just said isn't bullshit.

So show any proof of any percent of what I posted was bullshit.

Sorry but you can't. I however showed what you wrote was bullshit.

"It has to do with the staff and equipment"

See you now even admit it is "staff and equipment. Beds are a nice piece of furniture but without the staff and the equipment, that bed is useless.

Equipment. Since ventilators is what Rob originally brought up and what can be considered the most important lets go there.

Wrong, you could have a 100,000 ventilators, but without the trained staff to monitor and control what it is doing, that ventilator is useless. Don't believe me, go get one and see how good you can make it work. You go intubate someone, get that ole ventilator running, lets see how that works out for you.

US started with 35 per 100k. Closer to 48 per 100k now. UK? 6.6 per 100k. The average for all with national health care countries? less than 10 per 100K.

Started out with what? Your numbers mean nothing, but you are too healthcare ignorant to realise what you are even posting. Again go back and talk to someone who understands ICU care...Chuckles

You mention ICU beds, well how many are setup for heart surgery, cancer, children... again any person who has ever been inside an ICU ward has seen all the different unit set ups....sorry proof is in the eyes....

Anyway. I am sure your anecdotal non relevant "evidence" convinced you.

I did not post any anecdotal evidence, sorry. You can try and hide your ignorance, but any quick google search will verify the Canadian ICU numbers I posted, and any conversation with an ICU care person will verify the rest.

Now you go out and walk around mask less, party with your similar thinking friends, and I might hazard a guess you may get a close up of how an ICU unit actually works....

 

[RobDownSouth]

Final score: Fuzzy and Team "Science" 2, VatAss and Team "Winning" 0

 

[Emerson40]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/100c4fcd230246749f40ecc70fa61533/25af7e58276baeec-d5/s500x750/f58a9ebf6f12c9f52ab8aba307e0c4cce841503c.jpg

 

[phrodeau]

Conager and Klinkster are both miners?

Get out from under my lawn!

 

[Celand]

https://i.redd.it/x20lm87z2oa51.png

 

[jaF0]

I'm a Russian who wants to dictate what others do.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Thirsty in Thurston.

Do you think the cops should have shot him?

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/pr...red-meyer-shopper/LKIWZGE5JZGQHOEVM4YPFC5XXU/

According to prosecutors, the victim told police he was shopping in the produce section when he saw a man not wearing a mask. The victim told police he approached the man and told him to “put a mask on like the rest of us,” prosecutors said.
According to prosecutors, the man said he thought the COVID-19 pandemic was a hoax, explained he wasn’t going to wear a mask and pulled his .22-caliber revolver from its holster, pointed it at the victim’s sternum, said “get the f--- away” and threatened to shoot him.
When police arrived at the store, prosecutors said they told the man they needed to disarm him “for everyone’s safety.”

According to prosecutors, the man then attempted to grab his own gun during the struggle and told police, “You’re not getting my gun.” The man continued to fight and even grabbed at the vest of one of the officers in an attempt to bite him, prosecutors said.

 

[jaF0]

The victim told police he approached the man and told him to ...

This is the root cause of the incident. This person had no legal grounds to confront the other.

 

[Aglaopheme]

A free speech

B Thurston County has a mask wearing directive stating masks are required in public.

 

[jaF0]

'Free speech' does not give one the right to confront or incite. The 'victim' should have sought out store management, nothing more.