The Reality of Socialized Medicine

[Fuzzy1975]

Speaking for myself, about $15 to $20 for the prescription.

Free parking at the hospital??? bull shit!!!!!!!!!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Please extend to her, a stranger's kind wishes for your wife's speedy recovery.

Thanks, but it will not be speedy, and the outcome prognosis is poor do the wife being born with Osteogenesis imperfecta. But there is always hope!!

 

[gunthernehmen]

Free parking at the hospital??? bull shit!!!!!!!!!

Actually, in a pinch, yes. My hospital of choice has shuttles from outlying sites, so I could do that. But yes, at the main site it would be another $11 (per visit of course).

There's a couple of closer hospitals that I don't think are as good but do have free parking.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Actually, in a pinch, yes. My hospital of choice has shuttles from outlying sites, so I could do that. But yes, at the main site it would be another $11 (per visit of course).

There's a couple of closer hospitals that I don't think are as good but do have free parking.

No such thing as free parking at a hospital or any other health clinic...the government might pay for the building and healthcare, but no extra money for pavement....

 

[gunthernehmen]

No such thing as free parking at a hospital or any other health clinic...the government might pay for the building and healthcare, but no extra money for pavement....

I assume you mean in Canada. Of the six nearest hospitals to me, only one charges for parking. In any citified area, yes, parking is not free. My hospital of preference has a modest fee. I don't know of any clinics that charge for parking.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I assume you mean in Canada.

I can't speak for all hospitals in Canada, only the one's I have been too, but yes I did mean Canada.

 

[gunthernehmen]

I can't speak for all hospitals in Canada, only the one's I have been too, but yes I did mean Canada.

You should move here!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You should move here!

Why? then I would just be a Canadian living in the US?

 

[BotanyBoy]

No such thing as free parking at a hospital or any other health clinic...

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[bhurry]

Free parking at the hospital??? bull shit!!!!!!!!!

My copay 8.00 on the drugs and yes the hospital where we go has free parking. If your old like I am they will even park the car for or come get you. Welcome to Wisconsin.

 

[dan_c00000]

I'm putting a racist image here because I think it's funny but I'm really just a huge bigot. I also hate Jews and dawn is my alt.

Glad you're finally starting to fess up to stuff bot.

By the way, rape boy, how are you feeling about all that pro-rape stuff you've been posting lately?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Dan, talking to himself again.....sad.

 

[zotique]

What I can't figure out is why working people, the working poor and the poor in the Excited States are so willing to oppose universal medical care to the benefit of giant pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

 

[oggbashan]

What I can't figure out is why working people, the working poor and the poor in the Excited States are so willing to oppose universal medical care to the benefit of giant pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

Perhaps bcause they are brainwashed by big pharma and/or the arguments that state intervention is unconstitutional and anti-American. The big money supports the current system.

 

[gunthernehmen]

What I can't figure out is why working people, the working poor and the poor in the Excited States are so willing to oppose universal medical care to the benefit of giant pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

Because we know from experience that they won't deliver but they WILL take even more in taxes, far more than we pay now for healthcare.

That and the obvious fact that it is not the role of government to provide healthcare.

 

[zotique]

Because we know from experience that they won't deliver but they WILL take even more in taxes, far more than we pay now for healthcare.

That and the obvious fact that it is not the role of government to provide healthcare.

Sorry. Nothing personal but that's sheer bullshit.

Where I live in Canada we used to pay a certain manageable annual fee to be part of the provincial medical plan, pro-rated according to income. Under a certain threshold we paid nothing to be part of the medical plan.

As of January there will be no fees for anyone.

Have a medical issue, go to the hospital, it's covered.




Just a quick Google search found this example in the United States for comparison:

Without health insurance, diagnosis and non-surgical treatment for a broken arm typically costs up to $2,500 or more. For example, a forearm X-ray costs an average of $190, according to NewChoiceHealth.com[1] , but some radiology centers charge $1,000 or more. And application of an arm splint costs $201 to $239, or application of a forearm or upper arm cast costs $228 to $242 not including the doctor fee at Saint Elizabeth Regional Medical Center[2] in Lincoln, Nebraska. A typical doctor fee for non-surgical treatment of a fracture would include $90 to $200 for the office visit and from $250 to $950 for treatment, according to Carolina Orthopaedic Surgery Associates[3] . According to the Minnesota Council of Health Plans, non-surgical treatment for a broken arm typically costs about $2,523.
Without health insurance, surgical treatment of a broken arm typically costs $16,000 or more. For example, surgical treatment of a fracture of the humerus (upper arm bone) costs about $14,911, not including the surgeon fee, at Baptist Memorial Health Care in Memphis, Tennessee. A typical surgeon fee for surgical treatment of a fracture could reach $2,000 or more, according to Carolina Orthopaedic Surgery Associates[4] .

 

[BotanyBoy]

What I can't figure out is why working people, the working poor and the poor in the Excited States are so willing to oppose universal medical care to the benefit of giant pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

Freedom of choice, freedom of self determination and self governance.

It's also to the benefit of anyone who wants to keep more of their shit that the feds fuck off and mind their own business.

Sorry. Nothing personal but that's sheer bullshit.

Really? Our federal government has been trying to do a 1 size fits all 50 states HC plan for over 40 years.....so far the only thing they've done is take a bunch of money and deliver NOTHING.

So no, not bullshit.

Where I live in Canada

It's not the United States, so it doesn't matter.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Perhaps bcause they are brainwashed by big pharma and/or the arguments that state intervention is unconstitutional and anti-American. The big money supports the current system.

Still don't understand the state/federal government bit hua??

It's ok, most US citizens don't get it either.

 

[oggbashan]

Still don't understand the state/federal government bit hua??

It's ok, most US citizens don't get it either.

I understand it. What I don't understand is why the elected politicians can't find an inexpensive way to provide universal health care, and the constitution is not the reason why they can't/won't.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I understand it.


What I don't understand is why the elected politicians can't find an inexpensive way to provide universal health care, and the constitution is not the reason why they can't/won't.

If you're talking about our federal elected politicians? Those two statements are in total contradiction with one another.

There is no reason states can't do it, other than they are scared to chase money makers out of their state.

The reason we can't do it at a federal level is because a whole bunch of states don't want it, and the ones that do can't agree at all on how. So it's not happening, because the Constitution says unless we get a super majority of congress and states all on the same page? All the states have the right to run their own shit.

Here is what I don't get, I don't understand why that's such a problem? Why is it so imperative that the USA force all 50 states into a unified federal HC system??

Why is it so important to so many people outside of say Utah to force the people of Utah into some shit they don't want??? Why not just let the people who live in whatever state decide how they want to live?

 

[gunthernehmen]

Sorry. Nothing personal but that's sheer bullshit.

What's bullshit?

Believing that our government would screw it up or believing that it isn't appropriate for government to provide healthcare?

One is an observation based on past performance and the other is a philosophical debate that we will obviously never agree on.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

So Oggbashan, I’ll tell you that part of the reason many Americans don’t want the American government involved in their healthcare is because the government is inept.

I personally have experienced medical care here through three sources: Private healthcare, Military healthcare (as a service member), and Indian Health Services (as an enrolled tribal member). Of the three, two of them are run by the government. Tribal clinics/hospitals suck but growing up we couldn’t afford insurance so we used it. Better than nothing. In the military there are actually two ways to get treated, actual military medical staff or using the military’s Tricare insurance to go private. I appreciate the medical staff that are there for us but they are a bit of a joke. Generally not very good. The best treatment I have ever received has been through insurance-covered private medical care.

 

[magicalmoments]

So... Can someone direct me, specifically, to the publication or speech or whatever where a presidential candidate has announced as policy the public (state) acquisition and control of private property and/or businesses (the means of production)? Oh... and please don't refer me to the green new deal, it is silent on the issue.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

So... Can someone direct me, specifically, to the publication or speech or whatever where a presidential candidate has announced as policy the public (state) acquisition and control of private property and/or businesses (the means of production)? Oh... and please don't refer me to the green new deal, it is silent on the issue.

It will be a fringe, write-in candidate somewhere and not any serious contenders. In reality the debate is over whether or not to make the US a welfare state.

 

[gunthernehmen]

So... Can someone direct me, specifically, to the publication or speech or whatever where a presidential candidate has announced as policy the public (state) acquisition and control of private property and/or businesses (the means of production)? Oh... and please don't refer me to the green new deal, it is silent on the issue.

What con man, sorry, what politician in their right mind would phrase it that way?

They phrase it like AOC does with that "New Deal" garbage. They phrase it like "free tuition". They phrase it like "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It."

You are either dishonest, naive or trolling. Which is it?