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KeithD said:
Turns out it was Bolton who released the military aid for Ukraine--on his own. Not Trump. Uh, oh, when it's down to Bolton being the good guy in a scenario . . .
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Lying SOB. Bolton's authority, even if this is true, is delegated presidential authority.
 
cowslinger64 said:
HE IS ACCUSED OF BREAKING THE LAW

SNIP:

Mr Trump is accused of breaking the law by pressuring Ukraine's leader to dig up damaging information on a political rival.

In July, he urged his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate one of the frontrunners to take him on in next year's presidential election. This matters because it is illegal to ask foreign entities for help in winning a US election.


How many times do you need to repeat that lie?


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A rough transcript of the call later revealed that Mr Trump had urged President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former US Vice-President Joe Biden, the frontrunner to take on Mr Trump in next year's election, as well as Mr Biden's son.

The call came shortly after Mr Trump had blocked the release of millions in military aid to Ukraine. A senior official later testified that the president had made clear the release of this aid was conditional on Mr Biden being investigated, but the White House denies this.
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The acting ambassador to Ukraine, Bill Taylor, also told Congress that Mr Trump had made the release of the military aid conditional on Ukraine opening an investigation into the Biden's dealings. He also said there was "an irregular, informal channel of US policy-making" in the country more generally. The White House denies this was the case.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49800181





Yes, the white house denies this... what a big surprise. The fact that trump has a single shred of integrity to hold on to is just mind boggling. He has shown NO TRANSPARENCY whatsoever, even though on numerous occasions he said he would be the most transparent ever. He continues to order his people to defy subpoenas even though he does not have the authority..



Jeezus keerist, you idiots need to wake up.
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The transcript supplied by the White House offered nothing incriminating. If it did, the testimony of Taylor and West would have been unnecessary.
And Taylor and West offered nothing but "I heard from him who heard from him who heard from him." This sort of "evidence" couldn't get you a conviction for shoplifting.
You need to wake up.
 
OldJourno said:
The transcript supplied by the White House offered nothing incriminating. If it did, the testimony of Taylor and West would have been unnecessary.
And Taylor and West offered nothing but "I heard from him who heard from him who heard from him." This sort of "evidence" couldn't get you a conviction for shoplifting.
You need to wake up.
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No discussions in the media I've seen about how damaging this hearing was for the President, just the opposite. What happens this morning? Pelosi when asked claimed no decision has been made to impeach the President. She is an unbalanced mental case.
 
OldJourno said:
The transcript supplied by the White House offered nothing incriminating.



No shit? Really? The most honest transparent administration ever says the perfect call wasn't incriminating? OMG..shocker!


And I'M the one that needs to wake up. :rolleyes:
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Jonathan Turley: Democrats are building a "structurally unsound case" for impeachment that will fail in the Senate. Schiff Show.
 
KeithD said:
Turns out it was Bolton who released the military aid for Ukraine--on his own. Not Trump. Uh, oh, when it's down to Bolton being the good guy in a scenario . . .
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He's an asshole but not a corrupt ,incompetent one .
 
cowslinger64 said:
OldJourno said:
The transcript supplied by the White House offered nothing incriminating.



No shit? Really? The most honest transparent administration ever says the perfect call wasn't incriminating? OMG..shocker!


And I'M the one that needs to wake up. :rolleyes:
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Then why doesn't Schiff unleash his "whistleblower" on Trump? That was the plan. The whistleblower was going to tell all kinds of fantastic stories about how loathsome and illegal the Trump presidency had become, but that all changed when the transcript was released.
All of a sudden, the whistleblower who started all this bullshit isn't necessary.
So I need to wake up because you want to rely on "witnesses" who heard from someone who heard from someone else who heard from someone.
And I'm the one who needs to wake up? Seriously?
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We are to believe that now that this "inquiry" has been forced into the light of day, now a new eavesdropper find the "courage" to give hearsay testimony third hand to be dropped in Taylor's testimony, because he didn't think tinmention it to him when he was headed for the secret auditions in the SCIF.

When that looks transparently stupid suddenly there's a second person who eavesdropped on that very same call so now you're going to have two people giving coordinated hearsay testimony anonymously.

Kavenaugh all over again. When you don't have any evidence at all just put out the clarion call to get the crazies to come out of the woodwork and claim whatever it is you need to have happened happened.

None of that is needed to get the truly devoted to believe this nonsense and none of it is going to move the needle one bit on Independence and those that have made up their minds that this is a Witch Hunt. At this point Trump could actually shoot somebody on 5th Avenue on camera. No one's going to believe it because they cry wolf every single day.

Every day there's some shocking revelation that's going to take down the Trump Administration and every day it's yet another nothingburger.
 
Look who picked up the “nothingburger” talking point from notIshmael. Good boy.
 
OldJourno said:
cowslinger64 said:
Then why doesn't Schiff unleash his "whistleblower" on Trump? That was the plan. The whistleblower was going to tell all kinds of fantastic stories about how loathsome and illegal the Trump presidency had become, but that all changed when the transcript was released.
All of a sudden, the whistleblower who started all this bullshit isn't necessary.
So I need to wake up because you want to rely on "witnesses" who heard from someone who heard from someone else who heard from someone.
And I'm the one who needs to wake up? Seriously?
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Ukraine expert who listened to Trump’s call says ‘there was no doubt’ the president was seeking investigations of political rivals

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, a Ukraine expert who listened to President Trump’s July call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, said “there was no doubt” that Trump was seeking political investigations of political rivals, according to a transcript of his deposition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1e67dc-01b2-11ea-8501-2a7123a38c58_story.html
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Shitslinger ^ ignores they contemporaneous memorandum that shows no such thing and points to The Transcript!!" of a deposition given long after the fact after vidman and the "whistleblower" have had their little gossip circle and work themselves into a little frenzy about what they remember happened on the call that didn't happen obviously.

Where are Vidman's contemporaneous notes? Didn't he pay attention to the way they set up Flynn? Didn't Comey's notes to self give them a roadmap to use the day after the Mueller testimony took all theveind out of their sails?

According to his theory the Trump Administration would have to make a call that they believed at the time was problematic, compose the contemporaneous memorandum to cover their asses, hide it from the State Department on a secure server, then release it as s big aha moment because they knew they would need it because Vidman was going to share classified information about a presidential call with the whistleblower who had no need to know, who then under Schiff's guidance files a phony whistleblower complaint about something that he had no first hand information about at all.
 
BotanyBoy said:
Oh so we're just talking about in general?

Depends on how you define "white nationalist" I suppose.

We talking about actual white nationalist???


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white**0nationalist



https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/White_nationalism


https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/white-nationalist


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism


Or the "progressive" buzz phrase which means anyone who goes against "progressive" group think?


Because actual white nationalist shouldn't be in charge of shit.

However, not being a bat shit open borders leftist should be a requirement for holding such a position.





I'm not clucking in circles, I'm asking you to be specific and honest.

Something you and most "progressives" REALLY hate. ;):D
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So you denounce white nationalism, but support the white nationalists in control of immigration policy. Still seems a bit odd to me.
 
Conager said:
Shitslinger ^ ignores they contemporaneous memorandum that shows no such thing and points to The Transcript!!" of a deposition given long after the fact after vidman and the "whistleblower" have had their little gossip circle and work themselves into a little frenzy about what they remember happened on the call that didn't happen obviously.

Where are Vidman's contemporaneous notes? Didn't he pay attention to the way they set up Flynn? Didn't Comey's notes to self give them a roadmap to use the day after the Mueller testimony took all theveind out of their sails?

According to his theory the Trump Administration would have to make a call that they believed at the time was problematic, compose the contemporaneous memorandum to cover their asses, hide it from the State Department on a secure server, then release it as s big aha moment because they knew they would need it because Vidman was going to share classified information about a presidential call with the whistleblower who had no need to know, who then under Schiff's guidance files a phony whistleblower complaint about something that he had no first hand information about at all.
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You are a vile, disgusting piece of shit. Go seek the help you are in desperate need of... and then go to hell.

Predatory garbage like you make me sick.
 
phrodeau said:
So you denounce white nationalism, but support the white nationalists in control of immigration policy. Still seems a bit odd to me.
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"Lack of consistency" is a core tenet of BotanyBoomer's glibertarian belief system. It allows for contradictory, hypocritical positions, such as "Free government health care for me, none for you!"
 
OldJourno said:
cowslinger64 said:
Then why doesn't Schiff unleash his "whistleblower" on Trump? That was the plan. The whistleblower was going to tell all kinds of fantastic stories about how loathsome and illegal the Trump presidency had become, but that all changed when the transcript was released.
All of a sudden, the whistleblower who started all this bullshit isn't necessary.
So I need to wake up because you want to rely on "witnesses" who heard from someone who heard from someone else who heard from someone.
And I'm the one who needs to wake up? Seriously?
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Post a link to the transcript.
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cowslinger64 said:
OldJourno said:
Ukraine expert who listened to Trump’s call says ‘there was no doubt’ the president was seeking investigations of political rivals

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, a Ukraine expert who listened to President Trump’s July call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, said “there was no doubt” that Trump was seeking political investigations of political rivals, according to a transcript of his deposition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1e67dc-01b2-11ea-8501-2a7123a38c58_story.html
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You suppose this Vindman fellow will be called to testify by Schiff? Certainly a man of his impeccable credentials couldn't be criticized by the GOP.
Plus, he's impartial, right?
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You suppose this OJ fellow will be called to testify by Schiff? Seems to think he knows everything about everything.
 
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