House Impeachment Hearings

[Aglaopheme]

I DON’T KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE IN THIS IMPEACHMENT HEARING​

On the one hand, you have George Kent, a career Foreign Service officer whose entire family served in the armed forces, including an uncle who was at Pearl Harbor and survived the Bataan Death March, and on the other hand, you have a bone spurs draft dodger whose dad got arrested at a KKK riot.

There’s this fellow Bill Taylor who served as a Captain and company commander in Vietnam and who was awarded a Bronze Star, but then again, Donald Trump’s first wife Ivana and numerous other women have said that he sexually assaulted them.

At the hearing, I saw two serious, professional men who both served under Republican and Democrat administrations. Yet just last week, President Trump was ordered to pay two million dollars for using charity funds to pay off his business debts and promote himself. How can a voter like me be expected to know who is more credible?

These men testified under oath that the president tried to withhold military aid to a crucial ally unless the Ukranian president made a phony and defamatory speech about Joe Biden, and I admit that does sound slightly damning. At the same time, there’s a white supremacist working closely with Donald Trump who orchestrated the immigration policy which separated thousands of children, including babies, from their parents. Politics are so complicated!

What sounds more believable? That career diplomats with everything to lose would make up a story implicating the most powerful man in America? Or that the president’s butt-dialling, criminal-loving lawyer was involved in something nefarious? I wish this would be easier!

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-dont-know-who-to-believe-in-this-impeachment-hearing

 

[SpeareChucker]

Third- and fourth-hand knowledge...




But by all means, carry on.
Maybe the White House cleaning staff has something to offer too.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Nixon tried to prevent his staff responding to Congressional subpoenas. But eventually he had to give in, substantially because his own party insisted Congress had a legal right to issue and have these subpoenas answered.

At this point Trump is trying to out Nixon, Nixon. The only difference is the stance of the GOP under Trump.

But if the subpoenas from Congress are resisted it begs the question 'What is the purpose of Congress at all,' because Trump's GOP is denying them their fundamental oversight function.

The GOP's current tactics are clearly to try and bog down the issue in the courts.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/it-took-a-long-time-for-republicans-to-abandon-nixon/

The republicans of today aren’t really all that different. That piece lays it out pretty well.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I DON’T KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE IN THIS IMPEACHMENT HEARING​

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-dont-know-who-to-believe-in-this-impeachment-hearing

And there is the core of the impeachment..... Russia Russia Russia!!!!! Borders BAD!!

These men testified under oath that the president tried to withhold military aid to a crucial ally unless the Ukranian president made a phony and defamatory speech about Joe Biden, and I admit that does sound slightly damning. At the same time, there’s a white supremacist working closely with Donald Trump who orchestrated the immigration policy which separated thousands of children, including babies, from their parents.

Ukraine isn't a crucial ally, Russia =/= Soviet union, it's not 1977 anymore and having borders/immigration policy isn't white nationalism.

Until "progressive" folks figure that out, the beatings will continue until morale improves.


And pay no attention to what the Bidens were up to!!! Investigating that is interfering in an election!!! Can't say how exactly but it is!!!

 

[phrodeau]

Nothing in the Constitution about fucking the dog.....and that is what they, congress, are doing.

You clearly lack knowledge of the topic.

 

[Adre]

Considering pathetic ad hominem is about all most of the "well educated progressive" folks are capable of?

Yea.....

Speaking of, here is fine example....

Yeah, we know you don’t toss insults around indiscriminately.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Third- and fourth-hand knowledge...




But by all means, carry on.
Maybe the White House cleaning staff has something to offer too.

I know you are a big proponent of transparency. Let’s hear from those with first hand knowledge! Can I get an Amen!?!?

They’ll totally clear the President, right? I mean everyone is saying what liars these esteemed gentlemen are.....oh, never mind. No one is saying that at all.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yeah, we know you don’t toss insults around indiscriminately.

I generally don't and when I do it's usually following something with a bit more substance than ad hominem.

 

[bellisarius]

What, are we in the third grade playground debate club?

He does have a point re. Trump's behavior. He's done nothing that rises to the level required for impeachment but his behavior is decidedly non-presidential by THEIR definition of what is acceptable. As I opined earlier, he represents an existential threat to their status quo so he must be taken down by any means possible.

What I'm watching is what's going to happen when it comes to a vote - if Pelosi even allows a vote. The performance of the witnesses so far has been dismal. No blockbuster revelations at all. The hearings quickly devolved into the equivalent of watching paint dry. Now, there are more than a few democrats in the house that got there by running as moderates in red districts. Their seats are on the line in 2020 and Pelosi HAS to convince them to vote for impeachment. If she can't she will suffer great embarrassment and her only alternative to avoid that is to not move forward with a vote. How many of those moderates are going to be willing to fall on a sword for Schiff's carnival?

 

[SpeareChucker]

He released the transcript, which is first-hand information
and y'all didn't believe a word of it,
you read between the lines...


I said it before, loud and often,
Trump will be impeached because
this a political proceeding and facts
are playing a backseat to the raw emotion
which has been building to a crescendo since 2016...

 

[jomar]

Seemed a fitting response in the same vein as the post above it.

 

[Aglaopheme]

And there is the core of the impeachment..... Russia Russia Russia!!!!! Borders BAD!!



Ukraine isn't a crucial ally, Russia =/= Soviet union, it's not 1977 anymore and having borders/immigration policy isn't white nationalism.

Until "progressive" folks figure that out, the beatings will continue until morale improves.


And pay no attention to what the Bidens were up to!!! Investigating that is interfering in an election!!! Can't say how exactly but it is!!!

Let’s try and keep our sense of humor.

Who cares about Ukraine borders, right? Let Russian take whatever land it feels like. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[SpeareChucker]

He does have a point re. Trump's behavior. He's done nothing that rises to the level required for impeachment but his behavior is decidedly non-presidential by THEIR definition of what is acceptable. As I opined earlier, he represents an existential threat to their status quo so he must be taken down by any means possible.

What I'm watching is what's going to happen when it comes to a vote - if Pelosi even allows a vote. The performance of the witnesses so far has been dismal. No blockbuster revelations at all. The hearings quickly devolved into the equivalent of watching paint dry. Now, there are more than a few democrats in the house that got there by running as moderates in red districts. Their seats are on the line in 2020 and Pelosi HAS to convince them to vote for impeachment. If she can't she will suffer great embarrassment and her only alternative to avoid that is to not move forward with a vote. How many of those moderates are going to be willing to fall on a sword for Schiff's carnival?

I read a similar line of thought earlier this morning describing the foot-dragging
by the Democrats coupled with the suggestion that Democrats may not want a vote
for purely political reasons, one of which is protecting their membership from actually
being on the record since the 2018 elections were won by razor-thin margins.
They risk alienating the swing voters by running such an unfair proceeding.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Let’s try and keep our sense of humor.

Who cares about Ukraine borders, right? Let Russian take whatever land it feels like. What could possibly go wrong?

That describes the foreign policy of President Obama
so much better than I could have.

Democrat hypocrisy?

 

[SpeareChucker]

I know what will push the Russians back!


BLANKETS!!!

 

[Adre]

Who needs blankets when it’s 15 degrees? Teepee warm inside.

 

[SpeareChucker]

...

“Frankly the aid did flow, so that really isn’t an issue at the end of the day,” Van Drew added. “The aid flowed, and everything resolved.”

Van Drew’s district represents one of the many districts that Democrats flipped during the 2018 midterm elections. President Trump and Republicans hope to flip red during the 2020 congressional elections. President Trump defeated Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election in New Jersey’s second congressional district.

Rep. Van Drew has continued to criticize the impeachment inquiry into President Trump as “hopelessly partisan.”

The New Jersey Democrat said in October his constituents said this move to impeach the president has fractured the nation....

As reported at Breitbart.com



What did I say just a little bit earlier?
Not only will Schiff get no Republican votes,
but he might force the hand of some Democrats to buck him too...

 

[bellisarius]

I know what will push the Russians back!


BLANKETS!!!

And throw MRE's at them too.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Let’s try and keep our sense of humor.

Oh my sense of humor is 1 louder today sister
http://altcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/spinal_tap11.gif

Who cares about Ukraine borders, right? Let Russian take whatever land it feels like. What could possibly go wrong?

Ukraine borders are SUPER CRITICAL to the security and foreign policy objectives of the USA....but not the US borders, those are racist, white nationalist NAZI fascism!!!
Concentration camps!!! NEVER AGAIN!!!
https://i.rmbl.ws/s8/1/N/T/B/Y/NTBYa.O-xb-small-Does-an-Image-Show-Ocasio-C.jpg

 

[phrodeau]

Oh my sense of humor is 1 louder today sister
http://altcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/spinal_tap11.gif



Ukraine borders are SUPER CRITICAL to the security and foreign policy objectives of the USA....but not the US borders, those are racist, white nationalist NAZI fascism!!!
Concentration camps!!! NEVER AGAIN!!!
https://i.rmbl.ws/s8/1/N/T/B/Y/NTBYa.O-xb-small-Does-an-Image-Show-Ocasio-C.jpg

What qualities make Stephen Miller the right person to set our immigration policy?

 

[Adre]

What qualities make Stephen Miller the right person to set our immigration policy?

His extreme distaste for brown people fits in nicely with the Administration as a whole.

 

[SpeareChucker]

What qualities make Stephen Miller the right person to set our immigration policy?

Trump won an election.
That's the whole nut of it.
President Obama appointed
some woefully unqualified people
based on their politics and the mantra
of the moment was, He gets to have his own people...

 

[bellisarius]

Ukraine borders are SUPER CRITICAL to the security and foreign policy objectives of the USA....but not the US borders, those are racist, white nationalist NAZI fascism!!!
Concentration camps!!! NEVER AGAIN!!!

Yet another example of how the "progressives" can hold contradictory convictions. And they wonder why we mock them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What qualities make Stephen Miller the right person to set our immigration policy?

The fact that he actually believes there should be such a thing puts him head an shoulders above most the (D)'z and all the "progressives".

His extreme distaste for brown people fits in nicely with the Administration as a whole.

Controlled immigration and secure borders are not an extreme distaste for brown people, no matter how hard Vox/Slate/Raw/Buzzfeed/NBC/CNN and others try to push that narrative.

 

[SpeareChucker]

...

"There was a delay on sending hard-earned tax dollars of the American people to Ukraine," Jordan admitted. "We’re not talking any country, we’re talking Ukraine. Ernst & Young said one of the three most corrupt countries on the planet. … So our president said, 'Time out. Time out, let’s check out this new guy. Let’s see if Zelensky’s the real deal. This new guy who got elected in April, whose party took power in July. Let’s see if he’s legitimate.'"

Jordan continued, "Now, keep in mind, in 2018 President Trump had already done more for Ukraine than Obama did. That’s right, President Trump — who doesn’t like foreign aid, who wanted European countries to do more, who knew how corrupt Ukraine was — did more than Obama because he gave them Javelins, tank-busting Javelins to fight the Russians. Our witnesses have said this, others have said this: 'Obama gave them blankets, Trump gave them missiles.' But when it came time to check out this new guy, President Trump said, 'Let’s just see, let’s just see if he’s legit.'"

"So for 55 days, we checked him out. President Zelensky had five interactions with senior U.S. officials in that timeframe. One was, of course, the phone call, the July 25 phone call," the congressman explained. "And there were four other face-to-face meetings with other senior U.S. officials. And guess what, in not one of those interactions — not one — were security assistance dollars linked to investigating Burisma or Biden...."

As reported by PJMedia, but it is readily available at many sources
if they haven't buried it in order to highlight their political points.