The American Way of Life

[gunthernehmen]

Rethuglicunt squeal better, Demonrats just whine.

You may have a point. You just might.

 

[YDB95]

Not true, If Warren or any other lune wins we'll continue to go to work and conduct our lives with dignity.

You have GOT to be kidding. Have you literally not seen or heard a word of how Trump has conducted himself for the past three years? Or are you just that blinded by party loyalty?

 

[BotanyBoy]

The Declaration of Independence was special pleading to justify revolt against a legitimate government.

More of a statement that the government was no longer legitimate and could go fuck itself.

The ultimate justification of the Declaration of Independence was the successful war against the British. Once that war was won, the Declaration of Independence became an interesting historical document but nothing else.

True, it was also a cultural piece that set the tone for what it is to be M'arican.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You have GOT to be kidding.

https://media.giphy.com/media/TNX7zcSNWMqS4/giphy-downsized-large.gif

TRUUUUUUUUUMP!!!!!

So much TDS.....so much.

 

[YDB95]

So much TDS.....so much.

It ain't derangement if the behaviour we're pointing out really happened. And it has, again and again.

I could, of course, have reminded icanhelp1 of the Republicans' reactions to the past two Democratic presidents: with Clinton they spent years arguing that he "wasn't legitimately elected" because he got less than 50% of the popular vote, and with Obama they (including Trump) stirred up all sorts of baseless theories about him not really being born in the US.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It ain't derangement if the behaviour we're pointing out really happened. And it has, again and again.

You've not pointed out any specific behavior yet....just "TRUUUUUUMP!!!".

 

[gunthernehmen]

You have GOT to be kidding. Have you literally not seen or heard a word of how Trump has conducted himself for the past three years? Or are you just that blinded by party loyalty?

What does Trump have to do with how the people will conduct themselves in the unlikely event he loses next year?

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "I could, of course, have reminded icanhelp1 of the Republicans' reactions to the past two Democratic presidents: with Clinton they spent years arguing that he "wasn't legitimately elected" because he got less than 50% of the popular vote..."

Nobody ever argued that.

Yes, while it's true that Bill Clinton never got 50% of the popular vote (43.01% in '92, and 49.23% in '96), that was because of the third-party candidacy of Ross Perot. Richard Nixon won only 43.42% of the popular vote in '68 because of George Wallace running as a third-party candidate! Of course, it would be silly to question Nixon's legitimacy as he won 60.67% of the vote just four-years later!

"...with Obama they (including Trump) stirred up all sorts of baseless theories about him not really being born in the US."

Had the media done its job and properly vetted Barack Obama, NONE of that would have even been an issue. Instead, all of the major media outlets banded together trying to shield & protect Obama, and so they avoided the issue altogether, making all of your so-called "baseless theories" a reality! The same is true with the media's bending over backwards to protect & shield Hunter Biden from scrutiny in the Ukraine!

The media shot itself in the foot during the Obama presidency, causing most Americans to no longer believe the stories we're being fed! It's like ABC News recently burying stories about Jeffrey Epstein that link him to Bill Clinton! Nobody trusts the major networks like they once did!

 

[YDB95]

You've not pointed out any specific behavior yet....just "TRUUUUUUMP!!!".

Go back and read the second paragraph of the post you quoted, and next time maybe read the whole thing before you quote it?

What does Trump have to do with how the people will conduct themselves in the unlikely event he loses next year?

Just about everything, when you look at the way he conducts himself at his rallies.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Just about everything, when you look at the way he conducts himself at his rallies.

If you're not going to answer the question, fine, but don't pretend you are.

In what way does Trump's behavior in general OR at a rally, have anything at all to do with how the People would behave were he to lose next year?

 

[YDB95]

If you're not going to answer the question, fine, but don't pretend you are.

In what way does Trump's behavior in general OR at a rally, have anything at all to do with how the People would behave were he to lose next year?

I've provided numerous examples in the past of his extremely inflammatory rhetoric ("Try not to hurt him, but i f you do I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it." "Maybe he should have been roughed up." " I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They used to carry them out in a stretcher.") And there have been numerous examples of crowds acting accordingly at his rallies. More recently, there's been the talk of a second civil war, which you couldn't have missed unless you're actively avoiding hearing anything negative about the man and his fans.

 

[gunthernehmen]

I've provided numerous examples in the past of his extremely inflammatory rhetoric ("Try not to hurt him, but i f you do I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it." "Maybe he should have been roughed up." " I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They used to carry them out in a stretcher.") And there have been numerous examples of crowds acting accordingly at his rallies. More recently, there's been the talk of a second civil war, which you couldn't have missed unless you're actively avoiding hearing anything negative about the man and his fans.

Trumps behavior is Trumps behavior. Not anyone else's. Rallies are sometimes called pep rallies. The intent is get everyone pepped up. Then they go home, kiss the wife, put the kids to bed, go to sleep and go to work the next day.

There's not going to be any civil war. The left has no guns and the right has no interest. There'll be a lot of yammering on the internet. And a few antifa idiots with get some rubber bullets in the stomach, but that's not civil war.

 

[Ziggins]

Collective vs. individual property is a recurring theme throughout American history, from Native American tribes to communes, co-ops, etc. The US policy of dividing tribal properties to assign ownership to specific members is an example of government interference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_Indian_reservations_in_Oklahoma

 

[YDB95]

Trumps behavior is Trumps behavior. Not anyone else's. Rallies are sometimes called pep rallies. The intent is get everyone pepped up. Then they go home, kiss the wife, put the kids to bed, go to sleep and go to work the next day.

And what of the many, many examples we've all heard in the news of people being openly racist and saying things to the effect that Trump has made it OK to be that way again?

Let me guess, you've never heard of any such incidents. I'm sure the news sources you use haven't mentioned them. But it's been happening on a fairly regular basis since he was elected.

 

[gunthernehmen]

And what of the many, many examples we've all heard in the news of people being openly racist and saying things to the effect that Trump has made it OK to be that way again?

Let me guess, you've never heard of any such incidents. I'm sure the news sources you use haven't mentioned them. But it's been happening on a fairly regular basis since he was elected.

I've not only never heard of such a thing, I don't know anybody that even think to speak to someone like that.

I do know of cases where liberals have verbally or physically assaulted conservatives. Several made the non fake news a year or so ago.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "And what of the many, many examples we've all heard in the news of people being openly racist and saying things to the effect that Trump has made it OK to be that way again?"

That's all so much nonsense. It was during the OBAMA presidency that racist hate-groups like #BlackLivesMatter came into being, as Barack stoked racial hatreds against American law enforcement in a poorly-planned effort to fire-up his base. Colin Kaepernick began kneeling down during the national anthem during the Obama presidency, something that progressives like yourself laughingly claim shows his patriotism.

"Let me guess, you've never heard of any such incidents. I'm sure the news sources you use haven't mentioned them. But it's been happening on a fairly regular basis since he was elected."

President Trump shined a light on rat-&-rodent-infested west Baltimore, embarrassing Congressman Elijah Cummings (who had NO INTENTION of ever doing anything about it) - Cummings was instead focusing all of his energies at the time on border detention facilities, remember? And speaking of which, WHO was in the White House when children of illegals were first being put into cages? Yes, that would be Barack Obama!

gunthernehmen writes: "I've not only never heard of such a thing, I don't know anybody that even think to speak to someone like that."

Modern Democrats have NO CHOICE but to play the race card nowadays, as black voters are at long last ABANDONING that party, which has done NOTHING for them but try and keep them permanently dependent on government hand-outs!

"I do know of cases where liberals have verbally or physically assaulted conservatives. Several made the non fake news a year or so ago."

Antifa is a far-left political hate-group that openly practices FASCIST political tactics while claiming to be against fascism. And again, progressive Democrats call their violent, fascist behavior "patriotic!"

 

[icanhelp1]

I've not only never heard of such a thing, I don't know anybody that even think to speak to someone like that.

I do know of cases where liberals have verbally or physically assaulted conservatives. Several made the non fake news a year or so ago.

We disagreed with Obama's policies and we were called racist. We don't have an equivalent to Maxine Waters calling for constituents to harass public figures at their home or restaurants. ANTIFA closing public thruways, beating up journalists.

I don't recall anyone calling for Obama's impeachment before he was even inaugurated.

I don't recall anyone calling for Obama's impeachment for Fast and Furious erroneous gun sales that ended a border agents life.

Don't recall a mass murder attempt on left leaning politicians playing ball.

Don't recall Bush's nsa spying on Obama's campaign.

Don't recall Trump's DOJ,NSA spying on the Senate or journalist.

After Trump rallies supporters go home and live their lives

 

[BotanyBoy]

Go back and read the second paragraph of the post you quoted, and next time maybe read the whole thing before you quote it?

Republicans of yesteryear =/= Trump.

And what of the many, many examples we've all heard in the news of people being openly racist and saying things to the effect that Trump has made it OK to be that way again?

Doesn't make it true.

The ONLY people responsible for that racist behavior are those racist people.....no one else.

Not Trump, not white people, not conservatives, Christians, Jews or any other non-Muslim religion, just those individuals.

 

[DawnONight]

S. Straub, Poll Shows That Many Democrats Really Do Hate America, Federalist Papers (Dec. 14, 2019).

 

[oggbashan]

The American way of life appears to be to hate those whose politics are different. Some of you need more tolerance. The other guy may be wrong but you aren't going to convince him your view is better by shouting insults at him.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The American way of life appears to be to hate those whose politics are different. Some of you need more tolerance. The other guy may be wrong but you aren't going to convince him your view is better by shouting insults at him.

The American way of life is based on one set of political ideals.

"Tolerance" of other ideals will destroy that....so no, I don't think cultural/political suicide is the kind of "tolerance" needed.

Some people just need to be put in check, the authoritarian socialist on the left need to be soundly rejected just as the fascistic right.

Neither should be tolerated in the US of A.

 

[phrodeau]

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Some people just need to be put in check...

That is, without doubt, an un-American thing to say.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That is, without doubt, an un-American thing to say.

How so??

 

[gunthernehmen]

The American way of life appears to be to hate those whose politics are different. Some of you need more tolerance. The other guy may be wrong but you aren't going to convince him your view is better by shouting insults at him.

In this entire thread, these people have hurled insults:

Phrodeau 1
icanhelp1 1
BotanyBoy 1
magicalmoments 6
dan_c00000 2
gunthernehmen 2
JackLuis 1

There were a scattering of barbed comments that didn't rise to the level of an insult.

MOST of the posts were reasonably toned, even if I don't agree with some of them.

I was honestly surprised the insults were such low volume, other than the one outlier.

 

[phrodeau]

How so??

Because if you have checks on ideologies, you lose freedom.