Disaster in the Making

[cowslinger64]

Okay bro, that was a good summation of the situation
but I don't think any of these idiots are going to pay
a lick of attention to it...

Thank god... the voice of reason and intelligence is here.

 

[Klinkster]

Sorry dungbeetle. That’s not me.

Poor try.

klunkster is lying...it's only been 28 years.


SPRIGHTLY Oliver Grogan is McDonald’s oldest employee — at 83.

The pensioner has been working at the same branch of the fast food giant for 28 years.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9440856/mcdonalds-oldest-employee-oap-83/

 

[cowslinger64]

Sorry dungbeetle. That’s not me.

Poor try.

You skipped the other post... Remember way back when a few minutes ago when you accused me of insulting without ever posting facts?


Please...enlighten me.

 

[Klinkster]

I remember. It’s what you do. To everyone you disagree with.
I think your favorite was calling all cocksuckers....

Just turning it right back at you.
You are a shitslinger, and a dung beetle. That is a fact.

You skipped the other post... Remember way back when a few minutes ago when you accused me of insulting without ever posting facts?


Please...enlighten me.

 

[cowslinger64]

I remember. It’s what you do. To everyone you disagree with.
I think your favorite was calling all cocksuckers....

Just turning it right back at you.
You are a shitslinger, and a dung beetle. That is a fact.

So, you will be unable to refute my post.


Got it.


Totally expected. That's what happens when I speak to a five year old.

 

[suurfer]

I was given some background information yesterday that I needed to do a little research on. Everything that I could check out matched what I was told so here goes.

A radical group within the Kurdish area, the PKK, and a few other groups have been at war with the Turk's for over 40 years now. PKK roughly translates to Kurdish Worker's Party and their politics is exactly what the name infers, they are a far left Marxist organization that is listed as a terrorist organization by the UN and other like institutions. They are fairly large with an estimate of over 30,000 fighters. They were based primarily in Northern Iraq.

With the rise of ISIS they turned their attention to that particular terrorist organization and as ISIS was pushed out of Iraq into Northern Syria they followed along. They made up a large part of the Kurdish "Allies" that we were using as surrogates in the fight against ISIS.

So these "Allies" received training, weapons, and supplies from the Special Forces teams that were sent in to specifically do that training.

With the collapse of ISIS these US trained and equipped terrorists could turn their attention back to their primary enemy, Turkey.

Turkey may not be the best neighbor on the block but they are still a NATO ally. Starting to get the picture now?

The politics of the Mid-East are seriously complicated. As if being primarily tribal in nature isn't bad enough there are tribes within tribes. And this is the dort of situation that nations that engage in proxy wars (the US in this instance) end up in. It's not as if Machiavelli didn't warn leaders of nations about the problem some 600 years ago.

Anyway, what is the US to do? Create a "safe haven" for terrorists targeting a NATO ally or get the hell out and let the local belligerents sort their differences out?

Yes, I also just read these intriguing news which suggest that Turkey's invasion,
(as worrisome as it is coming from such a ruthless, imperialistic country) was primarily motivated by national security concerns:
That Turkey could grab this opportunity to further secondary agendas, is another issue:


Iran offers to mediate between Syrian Kurds, Turkey
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ate-between-syrian-kurds-turkey-idUSKBN1WR07O

"Iranian Foreign Minister referred to a 21-year-old security accord that required Damascus to stop harboring Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) militants waged an insurgency against the Turkish state. Turkey has said that pact was never implemented.

“The Adana Agreement between Turkey and Syria - still valid - can be the better path to achiev(ing) security,” Zarif said. “Iran can help bring together the Syrian Kurds, the Syrian Govt and Turkey so that the Syrian Army together with Turkey can guard the border."











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ABOUT THE ADANA AGREEMENT (Saudi Arabia newspaper, but it sticks to the facts)

Why is the 1998 Adana pact between Turkey and Syria back in the news?
Sinem Cengiz, January 2019
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1441931 (Saudi Arabia newspaper)

"The Adana agreement was signed by Turkey and Syria in 1998 [...]
Damascus had been allowing Abdullah Ocalan, the leader of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) — who is now serving a life sentence on the Turkish island of Imrali — to take shelter and direct the activities of the terrorist organization from within its borders for several years. When Turkey threatened military action, Damascus deported Ocalan and closed the PKK camps in the country.

The Adana agreement was designed to help restore bilateral relations. It was eventually concluded after Iranian Foreign Minister Kemal Harrazi and Egyptian Foreign Minister Amr Moussa intervened on behalf of their presidents.

Article 1 of the Adana agreement states: “Syria, on the basis of the principle of reciprocity, will not permit any activity that emanates from its territory aimed at jeopardizing the security and stability of Turkey.”

Under the 1998 agreement, Damascus agreed that it would not allow the PKK to operate on its soil. Now, however, the YPG has claims for an autonomous administration in northern Syria based on the political ideals promoted by Ocalan."

 

[suurfer]

If I understood correctly:
For the past months:

According to American press, the US was in agreement with Turkey's proposed security zone.
---Turkey's version was that there were splits among Americans (Trump& others agreed to a safe zone of 36 km wide, others accepted only a 3-6 km wide one) which precluded any solution.

Russia and Iran kept suggesting the Adana agreement as an alternative solution to the dispute.
(not entirely un-partisan, I guess since Iran has territorial disputes with kurds too)

 

[cowslinger64]

I was given some background information yesterday that I needed to do a little research on. Everything that I could check out matched what I was told so here goes.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/lszAB3TzFtRaU/giphy.gif

 

[DeluxAuto]

@realDonaldTrump: The deal I just made with China is, by far, the greatest and biggest deal ever made for our Great Patriot Farmers in the history of our Country. In fact, there is a question as to whether or not this much product can be produced? Our farmers will figure it out. Thank you China!

"I know that I cut off all of your limbs but here's a band-aid!"

 

[Emerson40]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/lszAB3TzFtRaU/giphy.gif

No kidding.

Ishmael’s secret operative is the paperboy, and he thinks by sharing what anyone can read in the paper, he’s letting us in on some serious, high-level intelligence.

 

[bigsly]

Maybe in the fast food world.

Not at the top of an organization.

Suggesting otherwise is simply moronic.

And when someone has such a disastrous record for finding and retaining talent like Trump has they are the ones who are either removed from the hiring process or they get removed from the company.

That is how business works

I realize you have absolutely no relevant understanding of the issue, but please entertain me with your usual fantasies on how your 4th grade offering above applies to one who owns their own business, as Trump does; ie, who else can possibly fire the boss, no matter how incompetent, but the boss?

You should step out of your mommy's basement and try being brave once in your life by running your own business, so then you could experience being an actual boss, instead of just letting your immature and envious anger allow a bozo like Trump to keep being the boss of you.

Of course, you could've saved yourself your latest embarrassment by simply not stooping down so naturally once again into your dumbass gutter and pulling out a shit gem like Trump can be removed from the Oval Office just like anyone can be removed from "the top of an organization".

Now go ask mommy for another pat on the head and shake out of it, zippy. You know you can do it!

 

[zipman]

You miss my point, entirely.
I am telling you history, and how things work in the corporate world.
I can tell you more of other companies I know of, I worked for as a contractor. Some I know, as friends of mine worked for them.

Again, sometimes you hit a good fit for a job the first shot.
Sometimes you don't.
And if you don't, and you don't fix it, well, whaddya think happens?
Best to get the bad one outa there, and replace him.

And if you keep making bad hires repeatedly "whaddya think happens?"

We're not talking about low level employees, we're talking about the equivalent of senior leadership. NO company is going to tolerate that kind of incompetence.

And Trump is NOT running the country like a successful business. His management style is the antithesis of how successful companies operate. He actively seeks to breed dissension among his employees and then doesn't listen to the advice of experts.

But please, continue highlighting how little you know about business.

 

[Klinkster]

Again, you fail to understand, that it happens to senior leadership. I would guess, because you have not been there, or, it simply does not match your narritive.
CEO's, General Managers, VP's....right to front line management, and down the line from there. Everyone.

And if the guy at the top fails repeatedly, well, yes, he can be replaced as well.
I've seen it happen, more than it hasn't happened.

That's why we have elections, but people like you, can't seem to wait that long.

And if you keep making bad hires repeatedly "whaddya think happens?"

We're not talking about low level employees, we're talking about the equivalent of senior leadership. NO company is going to tolerate that kind of incompetence.

And Trump is NOT running the country like a successful business. His management style is the antithesis of how successful companies operate. He actively seeks to breed dissension among his employees and then doesn't listen to the advice of experts.

But please, continue highlighting how little you know about business.

 

[someoneyouknow]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/880df1fb98ebbfc52c2938385bbb5d49/tumblr_pz4nzvm2Oe1rbam90o2_500.jpg

 

[zipman]

Again, you fail to understand, that it happens to senior leadership. I would guess, because you have not been there, or, it simply does not match your narritive.
CEO's, General Managers, VP's....right to front line management, and down the line from there. Everyone.

And if the guy at the top fails repeatedly, well, yes, he can be replaced as well.
I've seen it happen, more than it hasn't happened.

That's why we have elections, but people like you, can't seem to wait that long.

It doesn't happen repeatedly you fucktard. That's the point.

No president has had the number of firings and resignations that Trump has had because he doesn't have a clue how to hire based on qualifications or lead people based on any kind of proven successful techniques.

But please keep insisting the opposite. It's amusing.

 

[Klinkster]

Go ahead twodogs.
Keep believing what fits your anti Trump narrative. No matter that it's not true.

It doesn't happen repeatedly you fucktard. That's the point.

No president has had the number of firings and resignations that Trump has had because he doesn't have a clue how to hire based on qualifications or lead people based on any kind of proven successful techniques.

But please keep insisting the opposite. It's amusing.

 

[zipman]

Go ahead twodogs.
Keep believing what fits your anti Trump narrative. No matter that it's not true.

It's not an anti-Trump narrative, it's a solid assessment of his leadership.

You just have a pathological need to defend him

 

[Klinkster]

Nope.
I am simply telling you what I have seen happen in business. Yes.....often.

Don't believe it?
Oh well.

I leave you to carry on like you always do twodogs.

It's not an anti-Trump narrative, it's a solid assessment of his leadership.

You just have a pathological need to defend him

 

[BotanyBoy]

It doesn't happen repeatedly you fucktard. That's the point.

No president has had the number of firings and resignations that Trump has had because he doesn't have a clue how to hire based on qualifications or lead people based on any kind of proven successful techniques.

But please keep insisting the opposite. It's amusing.

And yet he's still managing better than any (D)'z and despite his man-pig USA proud demeanor not a SINGLE democrat out there has a chance against the guy in the election because "Be less racist by hating white people for being white!" and the promise of open borders and soviet style socialism just isn't selling the way you and the other "progressive" folks had hoped.

Imagine that!!!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Nope.
I am simply telling you what I have seen happen in business. Yes.....often.

Don't believe it?
Oh well.

I leave you to carry on like you always do twodogs.

Execs getting canned happens all the time.

Zippy will never acknowledge that fact because the "orange man bad!!" narrative has his bandwidth totally maxed out.

 

[Klinkster]

Execs getting canned happens all the time.

Zippy will never acknowledge that fact because the "orange man bad!!" narrative has his bandwidth totally maxed out.

That's his problem. TDS.

We were at one job not too many years ago. We are a contracting company.
In 2 years, the client had 2 general managers.
We left, but came back a year later, and no surprise, they had a new GM.
Got that job done in a year, and came back a year later. Yup....another new guy.

So....he can say it doesn't happen till he's red in the face.
It does happen. Yet.....the company generally goes on. I do know some, that didn't make it too.

 

[someoneyouknow]

Execs getting canned happens all the time.

Zippy will never acknowledge that fact because the "orange man bad!!" narrative has his bandwidth totally maxed out.

Keep making excuses. If any company had this many people leave, not canned, you would have to wonder what kind of shenanigans was going on. No one jumps ship this easily unless there's shit going on.

Here is a list of folks who have both left this regime or been removed because they were too honest. Some of the people on this list didn't even get into the positions they were nominated for because they couldn't get a security clearance they were that corrupt.

Show one administration since Eisenhower who had this much turnover in the first three years. Just one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_and_resignations

 

[BotanyBoy]

Keep making excuses.

Gonna be hard considering I haven't made any excuses.

If any company had this many people leave, not canned, you would have to wonder what kind of shenanigans was going on.

If it keeps producing results, no I don't.

Show one administration since Eisenhower who had this much turnover in the first three years. Just one.

Pointless errands for you? No.

 

[von_Bismarck]

I was given some background information yesterday that I needed to do a little research on. Everything that I could check out matched what I was told so here goes.

A radical group within the Kurdish area, the PKK, and a few other groups have been at war with the Turk's for over 40 years now. PKK roughly translates to Kurdish Worker's Party and their politics is exactly what the name infers, they are a far left Marxist organization that is listed as a terrorist organization by the UN and other like institutions. They are fairly large with an estimate of over 30,000 fighters. They were based primarily in Northern Iraq.

With the rise of ISIS they turned their attention to that particular terrorist organization and as ISIS was pushed out of Iraq into Northern Syria they followed along. They made up a large part of the Kurdish "Allies" that we were using as surrogates in the fight against ISIS.

So these "Allies" received training, weapons, and supplies from the Special Forces teams that were sent in to specifically do that training.

With the collapse of ISIS these US trained and equipped terrorists could turn their attention back to their primary enemy, Turkey.

Turkey may not be the best neighbor on the block but they are still a NATO ally. Starting to get the picture now?

The politics of the Mid-East are seriously complicated. As if being primarily tribal in nature isn't bad enough there are tribes within tribes. And this is the dort of situation that nations that engage in proxy wars (the US in this instance) end up in. It's not as if Machiavelli didn't warn leaders of nations about the problem some 600 years ago.

Anyway, what is the US to do? Create a "safe haven" for terrorists targeting a NATO ally or get the hell out and let the local belligerents sort their differences out?

Thanks, Grampa Wikipedia.

 

[zipman]

That's his problem. TDS.

We were at one job not too many years ago. We are a contracting company.
In 2 years, the client had 2 general managers.
We left, but came back a year later, and no surprise, they had a new GM.
Got that job done in a year, and came back a year later. Yup....another new guy.

So....he can say it doesn't happen till he's red in the face.
It does happen. Yet.....the company generally goes on. I do know some, that didn't make it too.

The real Trump Derangement Syndrome is you morons who are unable to criticize Trump regardless of what he does.

The turnover he has had at key positions is unheard of and is reflective of poor vetting, hiring and management. Period.

Your anecdote doesn't change that.