AOC "concentration camps" she should be impeached

[RoryN]

https://i.imgur.com/wcnDAJb.gif

 

[icanhelp1]

It's an agent of asylum.

YEAH! And you're an agent of orange!

 

[SoulAssasin247]

Asylum

Every year people come to the United States seeking protection because they have suffered persecution or fear that they will suffer persecution due to:

Race
Religion
Nationality
Membership in a particular social group
Political opinion



Who Is Eligible to Apply for Asylum?

You may apply for asylum if you are at a port of entry or in the United States. You may apply for asylum regardless of your immigration status and within one year of your arrival to the United States.


Can I Still Apply for Asylum Even if I Am in the United States Illegally?
Yes. You may apply for asylum with USCIS regardless of your immigration status if:

You are not currently in removal proceedings
You file an asylum application within one year of arriving to the United States or demonstrate that you are within an exception to that rule.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/...d-answers-asylum-eligibility-and-applications

That's correct

I used to be a Detention Officer in an Immigration Detention Facility and even while fighting their case, some Detainees still applied for Asylum. This was During the George W. Bush Administration and early into Barack Obama's first term

 

[cowslinger64]

Since you can't I'll back you up here since it appears you are technically correct, which as Homer J. Simpson will tell you is the best kind of correct:

In 2009, when former President Barack Obama took office, 10 people in ICE custody died. Five died in 2012, and 12 died in his last year in office, 2016. -Washington Examiner

The ages ranged from 24 to 48. Know if this was a discussion about children dying by Firearms there would be one because children dying by Firearms includes children up to age 26. Age 26 also would be the age of being a child under Obamacare. But I would tend to assume that you don't mean that so I'm going to give you a pass on this one.

Also presume that you mean only those children who were in custody when they died. You're not counting all of the children who died in the desert when Obama was looking the other way as they crossed. That number is higher.

That's really sad and completely irrelevant to THE CURRENT SITUATION.

The Trump Administration Has Let 24 People Die in ICE Custody



Two dozen immigrants have died in the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement since President Donald Trump’s inauguration, according to a new NBC News analysis of federal data.

That figure doesn’t include the deaths of at least four immigrants who died shortly after being released from ICE custody. It also doesn’t include the deaths of immigrants held by other federal agencies, including at least five migrant children who have died while in the custody of Customs and Border Protection or the Office of Refugee Resettlement, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services charged with caring for unaccompanied migrant children who enter the U.S.

Advocacy groups that work with migrants attribute the death toll to substandard conditions in more than 200 detention centers across the country. “What we're seeing is a reckless and unprecedented expansion of a system that is punitive, harmful and costly,” Katharina Obser, a senior policy adviser at the Women’s Refugee Commission, told NBC. “The U.S. government is not even doing the bare minimum to ensure [immigrants] are getting the medical care and the mental health care they need.”

 

[Que]

You really cannot follow a conversational thread either can you?

Let me try to bring you up to speed. Now pay attention:

Luke, a proposed of nothing in particular, said that we should all remember that at least no children died under Obama's watch.

I question whether that was true or not and Luke declined to provide any specifics. So I looked it up.

As it turned out in about the last 20 years exactly two children have died in custody of ice. That happened under Trump's watch.

When discussing deaths in detention it is perfectly relevant to discuss whether that's proportional to previous times because you put enough people in bad Health with poor immunization records in confined quarters and from time to time somebody's going to die.

As it turns out the amount of people who have died during the Trump Administration is pretty much about the same as during the Obama Administration especially when you look at the volume of people being Warehouse. If you look at that the numbers were higher under Obama if you look at the wrong numbers the numbers are higher under Trump.

So other than more overcrowding which is caused by the Democrats intransigence which is acting as a magnet to migrants who now believe that they can get here on a feet dry policy like the Cubans, there really hasn't been any additional unexpected mortality rates in the Obama concentration camps now that Trump is running them.

 

[Luk]

https://i.imgur.com/wcnDAJb.gif

He's Cade level stupid and it's the same blind hate that made Cade such a fun punching bag.

 

[icanhelp1]

That's really sad and completely irrelevant to THE CURRENT SITUATION.

The Trump Administration Has Let 24 People Die in ICE Custody



Two dozen immigrants have died in the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement since President Donald Trump’s inauguration, according to a new NBC News analysis of federal data.

That figure doesn’t include the deaths of at least four immigrants who died shortly after being released from ICE custody. It also doesn’t include the deaths of immigrants held by other federal agencies, including at least five migrant children who have died while in the custody of Customs and Border Protection or the Office of Refugee Resettlement, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services charged with caring for unaccompanied migrant children who enter the U.S.

Advocacy groups that work with migrants attribute the death toll to substandard conditions in more than 200 detention centers across the country. “What we're seeing is a reckless and unprecedented expansion of a system that is punitive, harmful and costly,” Katharina Obser, a senior policy adviser at the Women’s Refugee Commission, told NBC. “The U.S. government is not even doing the bare minimum to ensure [immigrants] are getting the medical care and the mental health care they need.”

During 2010 a report by the ACLU found 8 death were found to be caused by substandard medical care. 'Obama'

During the period of 2012 and 2015 a study was done by Human rights watch
and found 16 of the 18 death during that period found lapses in medical care that resulted in their death, 2 were unremarkable. 'Obama'

In 2016 the Obama ICE had 12 death reported in ICE detention.

You pick and choose your facts, you're a fucking hypocrite. No outrage during the Obama regime. Obama was the originator of the cages used to house detainees, no outrage then either. Even used Obama's 2014 pictures against Trump, that's how corrupt our mainstream news media is, but this isn't about accurate news it's about Trump hatred syndrome.

During the Obama years the average number of detainees was 35,000 but no one was banging down the doors then. Your selective moral outrage is laughable, makes you all look like fools. You act like people can't see through your TDS.

When so many people are detained people die, many because of their past medical history. Obama didn't wish those people ill will and we as a nation wanted answers and more scrutiny on medical procedures. Between 2014 and 2016 laws were broken, a billion dollars for a private prison co. violated federal procurement laws but that was OK it's was the anointed one. I could easily write 10 + pages targeting of every death under Obama. We need to fix our immigration laws, that's the answer, not shitpisting. You can throw your bullshit out there, someone will call you on it.

 

[butters]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps

the difference between concentration camps and exterminations camps

 

[Que]

Now look up, "never again."

 

[phrodeau]

During 2010 a report by the ACLU found 8 death were found to be caused by substandard medical care. 'Obama'

During the period of 2012 and 2015 a study was done by Human rights watch
and found 16 of the 18 death during that period found lapses in medical care that resulted in their death, 2 were unremarkable. 'Obama'

In 2016 the Obama ICE had 12 death reported in ICE detention.

You pick and choose your facts, you're a fucking hypocrite. No outrage during the Obama regime. Obama was the originator of the cages used to house detainees, no outrage then either. Even used Obama's 2014 pictures against Trump, that's how corrupt our mainstream news media is, but this isn't about accurate news it's about Trump hatred syndrome.

During the Obama years the average number of detainees was 35,000 but no one was banging down the doors then. Your selective moral outrage is laughable, makes you all look like fools. You act like people can't see through your TDS.

When so many people are detained people die, many because of their past medical history. Obama didn't wish those people ill will and we as a nation wanted answers and more scrutiny on medical procedures. Between 2014 and 2016 laws were broken, a billion dollars for a private prison co. violated federal procurement laws but that was OK it's was the anointed one. I could easily write 10 + pages targeting of every death under Obama. We need to fix our immigration laws, that's the answer, not shitpisting. You can throw your bullshit out there, someone will call you on it.

Where was your outrage back then? How about Republicans in Congress?

AOC was not in Congress back then. What was her position at the time? Do you know?

 

[Que]

That's pretty obtuse. Did you mean to post your outrage about the Obama Concentration Camps as Sgt Spidey?

 

[Luk]

...and George Takei is a Trump hating California commie willing to make any accusation that could harm the President..

He was forced into a concentration camp like what's happening now, tubby bitch.

 

[butters]

He was forced into a concentration camp like what's happening now, tubby bitch.

2 of them, in america.

not sure how much "forced labour" they got out of him but he's still alive....

 

[butters]

wikinfo

Use of the word "concentration" came from the idea of confining people in one place because they belong to a group that is considered undesirable in some way. The term itself originated in 1897 when the "reconcentration camps" were set up in Cuba by General Valeriano Weyler. In the past, the U.S. government had used concentration camps against Native Americans and the British had also used them during the Second Boer War. Between 1904 and 1908, the Schutztruppe of the Imperial German Army operated concentration camps in German South-West Africa (now Namibia) as part of its genocide of the Herero and Namaqua peoples. The Shark Island Concentration Camp in Lüderitz was the largest camp and the one with the harshest conditions.

When the Nazis came to power in Germany, they quickly moved to suppress all real and potential opposition. The general public was intimidated by the arbitrary psychological terror that was used by the special courts (Sondergerichte).[12] Especially during the first years of their existence when these courts "had a strong deterrent effect" against any form of political protest.[13]

The first camp in Germany, Dachau, was founded in March 1933.[14] The press announcement said that "the first concentration camp is to be opened in Dachau with an accommodation for 5,000 people. All Communists and – where necessary – Reichsbanner and Social Democratic functionaries who endanger state security are to be concentrated there, as in the long run it is not possible to keep individual functionaries in the state prisons without overburdening these prisons."[14] Dachau was the first regular concentration camp established by the German coalition government of National Socialist Workers' Party (Nazi Party) and the Nationalist People's Party (dissolved on 6 July 1933). Heinrich Himmler, then Chief of Police of Munich, officially described the camp as "the first concentration camp for political prisoners."[14]

Types of camps
Historians have divided the Nazi concentration camps into a series of major categories based on purpose, administrative structure, and inmate-population profiles.[37][50][51] The system of camps preceded the onset of World War II by several years and evolved gradually.

Early camps, usually without proper infrastructure, sprang up everywhere in Germany after Hitler became Chancellor in January 1933 ... utilized any lockable larger space, for example: engine rooms, brewery floors, storage facilities, cellars, etc.[53]sound familiar?

State camps (e.g. Dachau, Oranienburg, Esterwegen)

Hostage camps (Geisellager), known also as police prison camps (for example: Sint-Michielsgestel and Haaren)

Labor camps (Arbeitslager): concentration camps where interned captives had to perform hard physical labor under inhumane conditions and cruel treatment.

POW camps (Kriegsgefangenen-Mannschafts-Stammlager / Stalag) a.k.a. Main Camps for Enlisted Prisoners of War: concentration camps where enlisted prisoners-of-war were held after capture. The inmates were usually assigned soon to nearby labor camps

Camps for the so-called "rehabilitation and re-education of Poles" (Arbeitserziehungslager – "Work Instruction Camps"): camps where the intelligentsia of the ethnic Poles were held, and "re-educated" according to Nazi values as slaves.

Collection and Transit camps: camps where inmates were collected (Sammellager) or temporarily held (Durchgangslager / Dulag) and then routed to main camps.

Extermination camps (Vernichtungslager):these camps differed from the rest, since not all of them also functioned as concentration camps.

 

[BotanyBoy]

they are taking and cramming people--the 'persecuted minority' in this instance since trump sees them all as entering illegally whether or not they are attempting to claim refugee status/asylum--into small, inadequate areas with inadequate facilities.

the qualifiers in the very definition you've given us of 'concentration camp' show 'concentration camps' directly fits the situation.

Except they aren’t being persecuted.

Claiming to be a refugee seeking asylum doesn’t entitle them to entry. That’s not how that works.

 

[BotanyBoy]

He was forced into a concentration camp like what's happening now, tubby bitch.

Except the internment of Japanese citizens isn’t the same as the detainment and processing of migrants in really any way.

Nice derp though spazLuk.

2 of them, in america.

not sure how much "forced labour" they got out of him but he's still alive....

They weren’t labor camps.

Sorry......the USA just isn’t the horrible Nazi hell the left is desperate to pretend it is.

 

[Que]

Early camps, usually without proper infrastructure, sprang up everywhere in Germany after Hitler became Chancellor in January 1933 ... utilized any lockable larger space, for example: engine rooms, brewery floors, storage facilities, cellars, etc.[53]sound familiar?

State camps (e.g. Dachau, Oranienburg, Esterwegen)

Hostage camps (Geisellager), known also as police prison camps (for example: Sint-Michielsgestel and Haaren)

Labor camps (Arbeitslager): concentration camps where interned captives had to perform hard physical labor under inhumane conditions and cruel treatment.

POW camps (Kriegsgefangenen-Mannschafts-Stammlager / Stalag) a.k.a. Main Camps for Enlisted Prisoners of War: concentration camps where enlisted prisoners-of-war were held after capture. The inmates were usually assigned soon to nearby labor camps

Camps for the so-called "rehabilitation and re-education of Poles" (Arbeitserziehungslager – "Work Instruction Camps"): camps where the intelligentsia of the ethnic Poles were held, and "re-educated" according to Nazi values as slaves.

Collection and Transit camps: camps where inmates were collected (Sammellager) or temporarily held (Durchgangslager / Dulag) and then routed to main camps.

Extermination camps (Vernichtungslager):these camps differed from the rest, since not all of them also functioned as concentration camps.

At best you could call them (self) collection and (eventual) transit "camps"<sic>

Which would be every bit as interesting as "Hitler had a dog" or "Hitler owned a spoon."

Again, for the especially slow, conditions in a particular facility don't make it a concentration camp. Take any prison quadruple or in this case put 10 times the number of people in it and conditions are rapidly going to deteriorate that doesn't turn a prison into a concentration camp. That turns it into the overcrowded facility in this case it has an actual name it's a Detention Facility it serves the exact purpose for which it was created to detain illegal migrants until such time as they can either prove an Asylum claim or be deported.

 

[Luk]

Again, for the especially slow, .

You can just say, "BotnanyBoy", Tweak.

 

[butters]

okay, i opened your post

the definition of concentration camps covers all of those listed. they are ALL concentration camps. the definitions come from an informed and educated body who know this stuff. i didn't, till i read about it. so if you want to argue their decisions, i'm not the one to debate it with. if they're still alive, i'm sure they'd like the opportunity to educate you.

i'll also repost this:

Use of the word "concentration" came from the idea of confining people in one place because they belong to a group that is considered undesirable in some way.

 

[Rightguide]

Except they aren’t being persecuted.

Claiming to be a refugee seeking asylum doesn’t entitle them to entry. That’s not how that works.

90% of the claims are groundless.

 

[SpeareChucker]

I have to laugh at all you talking heads. If I were a betting man I'd bet most if not all of you have never been to our southern border detention centers. None of you give two shits about those people being held in those centers. It starts with one of you left lune hypocrites creating a despicable slogan and the rest of you non-thinking BOTS follow in lock step. What's going on is a problem for all of us but your hatred for Trump is all encompassing ( mob rule ). There is a right way and a wrong way to file for asylum. There are Embassies and legal entry points to file for asylum or refugee status. To enter our country anywhere else is illegal. The first step in our country makes you an illegal trespasser. Once here, you are illegal but afforded protection under our constitutional system and human rights charter to file for asylum, but your status has not changed, you broke our laws entering our country other than legal points of entry, hence you're detained till due process. You were not coerced to come here and you don't have legal documentation authorizing you to enter. Read the 1996 asylum revision and the update 5 may 2005. But who are we kidding, none of you's give a shit

The most onerous part of this, as I pointed out before is the assumption that this is a Trump phenomenon.
AOC even used the Obama-era pictures of the "camps" as her basic premise in building her case.
For too many, this, like so many other issues, sprang from the head of Zeus Political fully born on the day when the Left/Democrats were shocked to their core by the defeat of Secretary Clinton.

 

[icanhelp1]

The most onerous part of this, as I pointed out before is the assumption that this is a Trump phenomenon.
AOC even used the Obama-era pictures of the "camps" as her basic premise in building her case.
For too many, this, like so many other issues, sprang from the head of Zeus Political fully born on the day when the Left/Democrats were shocked to their core by the defeat of Secretary Clinton.

YEAH, they haven't gotten over Hillary.

The use of the words "CONCENTRATION CAMP" is a strategic ploy used by the left. If you were to question middle america on the words [ concentration camp ] you would get a very negative response. The words are a lightning rod and the public perception is true disdain for those camps. The tragic part when using that terminology is that AOC and her cohorts know it's a lightning rod. It's a political stunt to cast an inaccurate accounting of what is really happening on the border. They make every attempt to cover up the good that's being done by the people working the border. The left could give two shits about these people, this is all about politics and TDS. To be ashamed is not strong enough. Like I posted before, they are hypocrites standing in a pile of shit laughing at people who are standing in a pile of shit. The very use is a despicable attempt to compare our border agents to the likes of Nazis. When you hear ' CONCENTRATION CAMPS " people are reminded of the brutality that existed during that period. Now the left is defending the use of those words with all these technical definitions in an attempt to justify the use. Its about perception not definition. I laugh when posters write whole pages on technical definitions in an attempt to support something most don't even believe. And those that do believe are complicit by their inaction. They call that hypocrisy

 

[SpeareChucker]

Yes, the Left/Progressives/Socialists attempt with each and every issue to control the language.
When Obama was President, that term was never used even though it was the same.
Had Secretary Clinton been elected, that term would not be in use.
But because TRUMP...


However, on this one, I think they have played it
too far over the top by following the pied piper of AOC.


Instead of realizing the damage caused
the knee-jerk reaction in real life, as well as here,
was to treat her as a damsel in distress and gallop to her rescue...

 

[Luk]

Yes, the Left/Progressives/Socialists attempt with each and every issue to control the language.
When Obama was President, that term was never used even though it was the same.
Had Secretary Clinton been elected, that term would not be in use.
But because TRUMP...


However, on this one, I think they have played it
too far over the top by following the pied piper of AOC.


Instead of realizing the damage caused
the knee-jerk reaction in real life, as well as here,
was to treat her as a damsel in distress and gallop to her rescue...

No children died in Obama camps, dipshit.

 

[phrodeau]

90% of the claims are groundless.

Is that so? Let’s just get rid of ICE then.