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[jp55665566]

Payment for dossier by DNC

Christopher Steele is said to have authored the "dossier", but I wonder who really wrote it? Obama/Clinton?

 

[phrodeau]

Christopher Steele is said to have authored the "dossier", but I wonder who really wrote it? Obama/Clinton?

That has nothing to do with the verity of things in the dossier.

 

[icanhelp1]

Christopher Steele is said to have authored the "dossier", but I wonder who really wrote it? Obama/Clinton?

I guess the issue is, let's just say, a prosecutor is prosecuting a case based on circumstantial evidence and as the case progresses the prosecutor obtains evidence that finds the defendant innocent but prosecutes the case anyways. The defendant is found guilty, that prosecutor is guilty of spoliation of evidence. The circumstantial evidence is valid but because other facts that could affect the court's decision was kept secret, a person is convicted. Had the new evidence been presented to the courts the case would have been dismissed, no crime committed.

I guess that could relate to the FISA warrant. If the application for a FISA warrant is made to look substantive and legitimate but while in the process the applicant kept secret a flaw which would have had a negative impact on the court decision to issue said warrant, then the investigation or surveillance would have been denied by the court. Needs to be proven. Because the warrant was issued and everyone is operating with the assumption they're within legal parameters, it's a legal document by definition only ( legal process ), well, I believe there is a crime there somewhere. If Comey, the signator, was aware of the flaw ( incomplete, unverified and salacious ) and allowed the investigation to continue than I'm going to go out on a limb and assume Comey is guilty of spoliation of evidence even if the warrant is legal even with the ( attempt to obscure evidence ). Everything that follows has no standing and a criminal investigation is baseless and it becomes an event looking for a crime. What comes into question is obstruction of justice. Can the intent to rob a bank be the same as actually robbing a bank. You have to prove conspiracy to obstruct justice, ill intent ( an abstract ). If it can work for Hillary than why not Trump. Then there's the no conspiracy aspect of the investigation. At what point does it become apparent to the Mueller team that collusion ( conspiracy ) did not exist. Does that information go back as far as the application for the warrant itself. If Mueller was aware early on, than, why did he continue with the investigation. What if Mueller was aware that the warrant was bogus, doesn't he become complicate. Was he not obligated by law to submit a referral to indict Comey for spoliation of evidence. Just my humble opinion.

 

[phrodeau]

A warrant or investigation doesn’t require evidence beyond reasonable doubt, it only requires probable cause. Where’s the probable cause to investigate Comey?

I recall President Trump saying that these phony investigations need to stop.

 

[about_average]

The Brennan Center??? Really???

Ah yes, criticize the source. Very astute.

Payment for dossier by DNC

Did the judge ask who was paying for it when told it was opposition research?

 

[icanhelp1]

Ah yes, criticize the source. Very astute.

Did the judge ask who was paying for it when told it was opposition research?

I believe judges take the application at face value. I guess we'll find out. There seems to be some controversy as to what was in the applications and how the evidence is processed as it relates to scrutiny. It's been made public that 99% of warrant request are granted, so, it leaves some doubt as to how thoroughly scrutinized they are. I'm sure we'll find out and I'm sure changes are coming. I've been following judge Napolitano and he's not impressed with the process.

 

[about_average]

I believe judges take the application at face value.

Really, so government representatives attend the hearing for the warrant, but the Judge doesn't ask them any questions.
What, then, would be the point of them attending?

 

[icanhelp1]

Really, so government representatives attend the hearing for the warrant, but the Judge doesn't ask them any questions.
What, then, would be the point of them attending?

Just because gov officials attended, a judge doesn't know what a judge doesn't know. That's what's clouding the issue. Did the gov officials fail to advance a complete and verified application with all the facts. I question that Steele was compensated $160,000 and was it part of the application and if it wasn't [ WHY ] 37 pages doesn't mean shit if the important stuff is left out. Was it purposely left out due to bias or maybe a conspiratorial attempt to defraud the court. A judge issued the warrant and therefore it's legal. I'm just saying spoliation of evidence makes this whole investigation rotten. It may have been all above board, I doubt it. The biased banter from the upper leveL of the DOJ and their hatred for Trump leaves every level of this investigation suspect. Clinton used an unsecured server ( .GOV ) and violated [ 18 U.S.C. 1924 ] and was glossed over as " no ill intent. She was a fucking senator for God sakes. To say no prosecutor would indict "BULLSHIT" Comey knew if he indicted the chosen one, she would have lost, taken out of the race. Comey took one for the team all the way to suggesting a special counsel based on alleged bullshit. I'm not a Trump fan, he's a fucking jerk. The spying on Papa and Page, leaving out exculpatory evidence, the Flynn set up for the very same thing Kerry is doing, Logan act violation, spare me the lying to the feds, it was a set up. I tried reading the Mueller report, it was at best a leading by opinion doc. Mueller knew it would be made public. I'm looking forward to the Horowitz report.

 

[Que]

Totally. You don't have to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth if the judge doesn't ask the right questions. It's totally the judge's fault that he granted this warrant on such flimsy pretext.

I'm sure and a hearing that is held ex-parte it's not a problem at all if exculpatory evidence just doesn't come up.

I mean the whole process is secret. So since it's a secret the target doesn't know and what the target doesn't know can't hurt them am I right?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Fixed your lie for accuracy. Thank me later. Kant

IKYABWAI

 

[cowslinger64]

Just because gov officials attended, a judge doesn't know what a judge doesn't know. That's what's clouding the issue. Did the gov officials fail to advance a complete and verified application with all the facts. I question that Steele was compensated $160,000 and was it part of the application and if it wasn't [ WHY ] 37 pages doesn't mean shit if the important stuff is left out. Was it purposely left out due to bias or maybe a conspiratorial attempt to defraud the court. A judge issued the warrant and therefore it's legal. I'm just saying spoliation of evidence makes this whole investigation rotten. It may have been all above board, I doubt it. The biased banter from the upper leveL of the DOJ and their hatred for Trump leaves every level of this investigation suspect. Clinton used an unsecured server ( .GOV ) and violated [ 18 U.S.C. 1924 ] and was glossed over as " no ill intent. She was a fucking senator for God sakes. To say no prosecutor would indict "BULLSHIT" Comey knew if he indicted the chosen one, she would have lost, taken out of the race. Comey took one for the team all the way to suggesting a special counsel based on alleged bullshit. I'm not a Trump fan, he's a fucking jerk. The spying on Papa and Page, leaving out exculpatory evidence, the Flynn set up for the very same thing Kerry is doing, Login act violation, spare me the lying to the feds, it was a set up. I tried reading the Mueller report, it was at best a leading by opinion doc. Mueller knew it would be made public. I'm looking forward to the Horowitz report.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/pol...-fisa-warrant-anne-conway-20180723-story.html


An Orlando-based federal judge was one of the four judges who approved the FBI’s requests to wiretap Carter Page, an ex-campaign adviser to President Donald Trump.

The Trump administration on Friday released more than 400 pages of documents relating to the FBI’s surveillance of Page, which showed that U.S. District Judge Anne C. Conway of Orlando was among the judges who approved the agency’s requests for wiretaps.

A University of Florida graduate, Conway has been a federal judge since 1991. She was nominated to the court by President George H.W. Bush and confirmed by the U.S. Senate in November 1991.

Conway was named to the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on a rotating basis in 2016. The court considers applications by the United States government, often the FBI, for approval of surveillance for “foreign intelligence purposes.”

The court was established by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. Judges serve a maximum of seven years, in staggered terms. Conway was appointed to the court by U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts, a President George W. Bush appointee.

The other three judges who approved the surveillance of Page were also appointed by Republican presidents, according to the Washington Post: two by George W. Bush and one by Ronald Reagan.

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All republican judges. Mueller = Republican. Comey registered republican. Rosenstein registered republican.

 

[about_average]

Just because gov officials attended, a judge doesn't know what a judge doesn't know.

The judges knew it was opposition research yet didn't care who paid for it.
Exactly how is that the FBI's fault?

 

[about_average]

I mean the whole process is secret. So since it's a secret the target doesn't know and what the target doesn't know can't hurt them am I right?

Are you suggesting that foreign agents should have a legal representative at a hearing to determine if there's a legitimate basis for putting them under surveillance to find out if there's enough evidence to determine if they have or are going to commit a crime?

Exactly how would that work? How would that enhance the security of the US?

 

[icanhelp1]

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/pol...-fisa-warrant-anne-conway-20180723-story.html


An Orlando-based federal judge was one of the four judges who approved the FBI’s requests to wiretap Carter Page, an ex-campaign adviser to President Donald Trump.

The Trump administration on Friday released more than 400 pages of documents relating to the FBI’s surveillance of Page, which showed that U.S. District Judge Anne C. Conway of Orlando was among the judges who approved the agency’s requests for wiretaps.

A University of Florida graduate, Conway has been a federal judge since 1991. She was nominated to the court by President George H.W. Bush and confirmed by the U.S. Senate in November 1991.

Conway was named to the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on a rotating basis in 2016. The court considers applications by the United States government, often the FBI, for approval of surveillance for “foreign intelligence purposes.”

The court was established by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. Judges serve a maximum of seven years, in staggered terms. Conway was appointed to the court by U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts, a President George W. Bush appointee.

The other three judges who approved the surveillance of Page were also appointed by Republican presidents, according to the Washington Post: two by George W. Bush and one by Ronald Reagan.

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All republican judges. Mueller = Republican. Comey registered republican. Rosenstein registered republican.

It has nothing to do with party. Take your TDS glasses off for once and look at it from a current legal point of view. Take your fucking articles and stuff em. I could list countless source documents about Hillary, What's the point or "WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE".

 

[cowslinger64]

It has nothing to do with party. Take your TDS glasses off for once and look at from a current legal point of view. Take your fucking articles and stuff em. I could list countless source documents about Hillary, What's the point or "WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE".

Of course it does. Trump has whined from the beginning about this being a dem witch hunt. The reality of this is it was started and carried out by the right. That takes away most all of your argument. I already posted what Mueller had to say about the beginning of the investigation, in reply to those dummies that went on and on about Seth Rich.


The tds bullshit is just that.. and to be honest, I'd rather hate trump than be permanently attached to his balls..


and btw...your "i'm not a trump fan" is complete crap.

 

[icanhelp1]

The judges knew it was opposition research yet didn't care who paid for it.
Exactly how is that the FBI's fault?

Because it would have established bias, or at least, prompted further scrutiny by the courts. Opposition research, in itself, is a valid source, and possibly everything in the application was useable, it's massaging the application to make it appear as a complete assessment for going forward that's questionable. I think, even if the dossier is unverified, the courts would make a decision not solely based on the dossier but also with the inclusion of other supporting documentation. Salacious and unverified could render the application unreliable but I think not. High level Doj Lawyers making a case to the FISC is a very convincing force and could sway a judge's decision using a convincing argument while leaving out pertinent info. It's not a lie but it's validity come into question if spoliation of evidence occured. The warrant is the foundation for everything that follows to include whether the special counsel was actually constitutional. The defendant can't argue his case before the courts, so gov lawyers can actively destroy an american citizen who is basically defenseless and ignorant of what's going on. Every American citizen should be scared shitless. How many lives were ruined because of process crimes having nothing to do with the surveillance investigation itself. The use of strong armed tactics and deceitful interrogation practices searching for a crime rather than investigating a crime.

 

[icanhelp1]

Are you suggesting that foreign agents should have a legal representative at a hearing to determine if there's a legitimate basis for putting them under surveillance to find out if there's enough evidence to determine if they have or are going to commit a crime?

Exactly how would that work? How would that enhance the security of the US?

This is all about american civil liberties violated. FISA is all about foreign surveillance, we all know that. Hiding behind a FISC warrant to intrude into a campaign without notifying legal counsel for the campaign , well, looks to be a pearl harbor attempt and an obvious attempt by DOJ officials to take sides in a supposedly neutral investigation. The DNC was involved with foreign governments as well, but you don't hear anything about that. How can anything as encompassing as what the Russians did be so narrowly investigated. The DOJ, DNI, FBI or the IC in general must have stiff necks from constantly looking the other way. Just my opinion.

 

[icanhelp1]

Of course it does. Trump has whined from the beginning about this being a dem witch hunt. The reality of this is it was started and carried out by the right. That takes away most all of your argument. I already posted what Mueller had to say about the beginning of the investigation, in reply to those dummies that went on and on about Seth Rich.


The tds bullshit is just that.. and to be honest, I'd rather hate trump than be permanently attached to his balls..


and btw...your "i'm not a trump fan" is complete crap.

Obama is the left. This was about making sure Clinton wins. At least show some objectivity.

 

[jp55665566]

witch hunt and fake news the "coup" continues...

http://tennesseestar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Bremmer-fake-quote_840x480-840x480.jpg

 

[Rightguide]

Obama is the left. This was about making sure Clinton wins. At least show some objectivity.

CS is a delusional liar.

 

[cowslinger64]

Obama is the left. This was about making sure Clinton wins. At least show some objectivity.

CS is a delusional liar.

I can't drop to your level of stupidity and ignorance..and blind partisanship.


Release the Mueller report in it's entirety to Nadler and those investigating it. Make not only Barr, but Mueller, Mcgann and even trump testify under oath. Release his tax returns not to the public, but to the agency requesting it.

If nothing against trump is found, I'm fine with that. If he is found guilty, then he gets indicted, impeached and sent to jail. If Hilary or Obama have committed crimes, let them be indicted and found guilty in a court of law. I have no problem with that.

 

[cowslinger64]

CS is a delusional liar.

Feel free to name one lie.. and not that you are not vette.

 

[KeithD]

Release the Mueller report in it's entirety to Nadler and those investigating it. Make not only Barr, but Mueller, Mcgann and even trump testify under oath. Release his tax returns not to the public, but to the agency requesting it.

If nothing against trump is found, I'm fine with that. If he is found guilty, then he gets indicted, impeached and sent to jail. If Hilary or Obama have committed crimes, let them be indicted and found guilty in a court of law. I have no problem with that.

And the board Trumpettes go screaming into the world of distraction and deflection.

 

[cowslinger64]

And the board Trumpettes go screaming into the world of distraction and deflection.

They won't reply to that, because it doesn't suit their narrative of it just being about TDS.


IMO, ANYONE found guilty gets punished. Ain't it funny how only one person has spent the last years freaking out.

Maybe they're afraid they'll go to jail too, being permanently attached to his balls.

 

[KeithD]

Maybe they're afraid they'll go to jail too, being permanently attached to his balls.

With where Trump has taken this country destruction thing pretty much means any U.S. citizen playing Trumpette deserves to go to prison with him. The Trumpettes on this board are absolutely disgusting in ignoring what Trump obviously is and is doing. This has gone way, way far beyond party partisanship.