Abortion

[Liar]

Potential? Seriously? You don’t think a fetus is going to be potentially a dog, a cat, a bird, or a fish when it comes out the womb prematurely, do you? It’s a fetus and if it has a heartbeat, it’s alive, dependent on the mother while she carries it inside her unless you think she’s just carrying around junk to throw in the trash when she decides she doesn’t want it.

No but it has a potential to be nothing. A naturally aborted pregnancy. A late period. A miscarriage. Stillborn. Or a baby. It is a potential all of the above.

Again, at six weeks, it is not even a fetus. It is an embryo. And it does not have a heart. It has a fetal cord

 

[Matthew Craig]

No but it has a potential to be nothing. A naturally aborted pregnancy. A late period. A miscarriage. Stillborn. Or a baby. It is a potential all of the above.

Again, at six weeks, it is not even a fetus. It is an embryo. And it does not have a heart. It has a fetal cord

It's a human life, Idiot.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Potential? Seriously? You don’t think a fetus is going to be potentially a dog, a cat, a bird, or a fish when it comes out the womb prematurely, do you? It’s a fetus and if it has a heartbeat, it’s alive, dependent on the mother while she carries it inside her unless you think she’s just carrying around junk to throw in the trash when she decides she doesn’t want it.

It's a potential person that will never become anything more than a potential person at a minimum until viability occurs (generally accepted as 23 weeks).

"Fetal heartbeat" laws are simply backdoor attempts to subvert Roe v. Wade and confer personhood upon a clump of cells.

 

[icanhelp1]

You inadvertently raise a point: why aren't birth control pills available over the counter in the United States? They've been available for 59 years now.

You can walk into a pharmacy in any of these countries and buy them over the counter:

• China
• India
• Greece
• Turkey
• Mexico
• Brazil
• Portugal
• South Africa
• Korea
• Russia

LINK

Making them available over the counter would take the US out of the funding birth control business completely.....isn't that what you're asking for?

Of course, that would give women yet another degree of choice in their reproductive lives....

You can get a prescription pretty much anywhere. A fucking nurse can give you one, why it's not readily available over the counter may have something to do with minors purchasing them, still doesn't support your argument about abortion.

 

[Liar]

It's a human life, Idiot.

Why do you keep doing this to yourself?

 

[Kantarii]

It's a potential person that will never become anything more than a potential person at a minimum until viability occurs (generally accepted as 23 weeks).

"Fetal heartbeat" laws are simply backdoor attempts to subvert Roe v. Wade and confer personhood upon a clump of cells.

There’s an idea. I should’ve titled the thread Roe vrs Wade.
Not sure if the responses would be any different, though.

 

[Matthew Craig]

Why do you keep doing this to me?

So that you know your place. And everytime you try to lift your head, i'll be right there to grind it harder into the dirt so you don't forget again.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

There’s an idea. I should’ve titled the thread Roe vrs Wade.
Not sure if the responses would be any different, though.

The thing that is now Bob was never just a clump of cells. In fact, there is no man-made word to accurately define it.

 

[Liar]

So that you know your place. And everytime you try to lift your head, i'll be right there to grind it harder into the dirt so you don't forget again.

Uh huh.

 

[icanhelp1]

I live in Canada, a socialist nation with an emphasis on sex education, birth control, some of the loosest abortion laws in the world....and a steadily declining abortion rate, much lower then our south of the border friends


Yay cesspool!

I have no interest in changing your beliefs. I don't believe in socialism and I don't believe in abortion. Conflating planned parenthood with abortion is an oxymoron. A plan is to think something through before you proceed, and abortion is to remove a problem for lack of planning. You can buy condoms 99 cents a dozen or birth control with a simple prescription or the rhythm method for you catholics, that's called planning. Not all of us here are atheist, agnostic or satanic, we believe in a higher being, and believe in the protecting the innocent and defenseless.

 

[jaF0]

You inadvertently raise a point: why aren't birth control pills available over the counter in the United States? They've been available for 59 years now.

The US isn't as civilized or merciful? Amurica isn't so 'great' after all?

 

[jaF0]

why it's not readily available over the counter may have something to do with minors purchasing them

Like cough medicine?

I had to give a birthdate the other day to buy a diesel fuel treatment.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You can get a prescription pretty much anywhere. A fucking nurse can give you one, why it's not readily available over the counter may have something to do with minors purchasing them, still doesn't support your argument about abortion.

Personally, I can't get a prescription, but that's because I'm a man.

Insofar as "getting one anywhere", I'm sure that's true for most of whitebread America. Just takes a couple hours off of work, jump in the car, drive to the doctor's office, pay your co-pay, pick up your scrip, and off you go!

But...

What about those folks who don't have a car? What about those gig-economy workers who don't get paid when they don't work. What about folks who don't live close to doctor's office...or don't have insurance to cover a doctor visit? What then?

And as far as your "minors may buy them!" argument, most stores have done quite well restricting the sales of alcohol and cigarettes to adults only.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There’s an idea. I should’ve titled the thread Roe vrs Wade.
Not sure if the responses would be any different, though.

Might have had better luck with "Now we can overturn Roe v. Wade". Put a "tee hee" on the end if you're feeling especially smug.

This is quite a game for you, isn't it?

 

[KimGordon67]

But are you Wounded Knee?

Damn ... I was hoping no one would notice that.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Then stop whining about the BAAAABIES that are aborted.

Hey Carnal; do you actually read the shit you write. Can you tell us what law state's it's illegal to use birth control and what conservative lawmakers tabled the bill? I just don't want my tax money used for purchasing birth control, you want it you buy it!

Can you tell us what conservatives are tabling a bill to cut prenatal care?

So; conservatives have; Moms, Wives, Daughters, Sisters, female friends and yeah we want to punish and control them. I've tried for 30 years to control my wife, I must be doing something wrong.

Really!!! school lunches???

Do you know anything about gun laws??

You can't both protect the innocent and love the child??? You and Babysitter should marry and move to your own cesspool.

 

[icanhelp1]

Personally, I can't get a prescription, but that's because I'm a man.

Insofar as "getting one anywhere", I'm sure that's true for most of whitebread America. Just takes a couple hours off of work, jump in the car, drive to the doctor's office, pay your co-pay, pick up your scrip, and off you go!

But...

What about those folks who don't have a car? What about those gig-economy workers who don't get paid when they don't work. What about folks who don't live close to doctor's office...or don't have insurance to cover a doctor visit? What then?

And as far as your "minors may buy them!" argument, most stores have done quite well restricting the sales of alcohol and cigarettes to adults only.

Being the great American man that you are, you can take a couple of hours off from work, jump in your car, pick them up, drive them to a free clinic, get their prescription filled for them, drive them to a pharmacy, buy them their pills and bring them home. You would do that wouldn't you? Doesn't that sound a little ridiculous, so doesn't your narrative. If you can't add anything worth reading then why do it?

 

[icanhelp1]

The US isn't as civilized or merciful? Amurica isn't so 'great' after all?

THEN MOVE THE FUCK OUT!!!

 

[KimGordon67]

Well well well, if it isn't the Queen of Mean calling us stupid again. I would have thought you could understand the moral issue here, I guess that cold Canadian air is affecting your brain. So let's try this again. Your ignorance rings hollow again. I guess you being an agnostic you have no clue that there is a moral side to this argument, but you have to have a moral compass to engage with that idea. It seems your favorite tactic is to paint everything with a broad brush and oversimplify things to benefit your argument.

So, let me try to understand what you're spouting off here. So, if you are pro life then you don't have a clue as to how a woman's reproductive system works. You could argue that women who have unprotected sex don't understand either,[ MAN- WOMAN- SEX- BABY ] that insinuation is pretty far fetch, even coming from you, actually, that's pretty ridiculous. What's really sad is that if we disagree with you we're stupid, I guess in Canada the way to win arguments is to just call everybody who disagree's with you 'STUPID'

You see, some people around here feel pretty strongly about protecting the defenseless and the innocent. Now most reasonable people would agree that a fetus gone wrong leading to a crippling defect requires hard analysis between the doctor and mother on allowing this fetus to come to full term and the effects it would have on both ( child and mother ). I believe that discussion starts and ends in that office and is no one else's business. The percentage of those abortions equate to approximately 2.66% of all abortions nation wide, a very small number, but you could argue a valid reason for abortion. Only the hardest of the pro life would argue against an abortion, one being the Catholic church, which is against all abortions. Once again save your 'priest are pettifiles' for a rainy day argument.

I can smell your teeny teeny weeny brain working overtime now. So let's choose some other categories of abortion, a previous year's statistics,

1. <0.5% victim of rape
2. 4% physical health problems ( mother )
3. 2.6% abnormal fetus
4. 0.001 INCEST

TOTAL 7.2 % ( approximately ) most reasonable people would accept as legitimate.

Other reasons:

1. 4% would interfere with college
2. 7% not mature enough to raise a child
3. 8% don't want to be a single mother
4. 19% don't want more children
5. 23% can't afford another baby
6. 25% not ready for a child
7. 6% other

Total 92.8%....... pro life would consider unacceptable, irresponsible and immoral. Planned parenthood's bread and butter! Kill the little girl or guy for money for the sake of women's right to choose. It's not about women's rights, it about taking the easy way out because they fucked up. I want to say one other thing, GUYS WHO WALK AWAY FROM THAT WOMAN AFTER THE DEED IS DONE AND DON'T ACCEPT EQUAL SHARE OF THE RESPONSIBILITY ARE THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST FORMS OF LIFE ON THE PLANET, PIECES OF SHIT!!!..... A little planning goes a long way. Want to play but not pay. It's not like there is no place for these babies to go, there are many thousands of couples who would take then in a heartbeat. Just think BADBABYTSITTER!!! If your mom changed her mind about you, well, we would certainly miss all your B__L S__T, *** JUST SAYING***.

Approximately 51% abort by week seven, but then the argument becomes, when is a baby a baby?

So clearly, for that c93%, the rest of their lives should be miserable because of a bad judgement call in the heat of the moment, or contraception failure, or whatever. Miserable people make awesome parents ... especially the ones who've already identified the fact that their parenting capacity is going to be compromised in some way.
All because we've somehow decided that a bunch of cells etc is a 'life' that must be 'saved'.
Do you know how many zygotes and embryo's are miscarried before the woman even knows she's pregnant, without anyone even knowing it's happened? No ... no one actually knows, because it's impossible to keep records, but it's a fair chunk. Obviously what we actually should be doing is requiring that women have regular pregnancy tests - I guess every month or so - and if they're positive, put them in some sort of institution to minimise the chances of miscarrying, because, y'know, every single life is precious.
Maybe we could get them to wear red, so we can identify them easily and know to be extra-specially careful around them?

 

[KimGordon67]

A fetus is dependent upon another human being for nutrients and oxygen.

It's worth noting that many of the anti-abortion folks raise the false equivalency that because a newborn infant is also dependent upon another for nutrients and oxygen, a fetus should be considered the functional equivalent of a newborn.

This shows an inability to distinguish between the concepts of "physical independence" and "social independence".

• Social independence is where a child depends on society to feed, clothe and nuture him/her.
• Physical independence, on the other hand, is when something depends directly on the physical body of another for its continued existence.

I vote that we put all the pro-lifers in the middle of a prairie or something without any human assistance and see how it works out for them.

 

[icanhelp1]

Then stop whining about the BAAAABIES that are aborted.

YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU'RE SO FUCKING STUPID BECAUSE YOU'RE SO FUCKING STUPID!

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

So clearly, for that c93%, the rest of their lives should be miserable because of a bad judgement call in the heat of the moment, or contraception failure, or whatever. Miserable people make awesome parents ... especially the ones who've already identified the fact that their parenting capacity is going to be compromised in some way.
All because we've somehow decided that a bunch of cells etc is a 'life' that must be 'saved'.
Do you know how many zygotes and embryo's are miscarried before the woman even knows she's pregnant, without anyone even knowing it's happened? No ... no one actually knows, because it's impossible to keep records, but it's a fair chunk. Obviously what we actually should be doing is requiring that women have regular pregnancy tests - I guess every month or so - and if they're positive, put them in some sort of institution to minimise the chances of miscarrying, because, y'know, every single life is precious.
Maybe we could get them to wear red, so we can identify them easily and know to be extra-specially careful around them?

A person's lack of happiness is not a legal justification for murder.

 

[KimGordon67]

This problem is easily solved. All abortions are the result of unwanted pregnancies caused by sperm. Vasectomies are reversible, so perform one on all newborn males, and when they're ready for fatherhood, it can be reversed with their wife's permission.

There probably is some version of this that wouldn't be a bad idea, if vasectomies were completely reversible ... but they kind of aren't. Sometimes, but not with any reliability.

 

[KimGordon67]

Potential? Seriously? You don’t think a fetus is going to be potentially a dog, a cat, a bird, or a fish when it comes out the womb prematurely, do you? It’s a fetus and if it has a heartbeat, it’s alive, dependent on the mother while she carries it inside her unless you think she’s just carrying around junk to throw in the trash when she decides she doesn’t want it.

No, you doofus, it's potentially going to be a human ... and just as potentially it isn't going to be a human because of spontaneous miscarriage or abortion or whatever else.
Rob's acorn analogy is pretty sound - it's surprising you can't get that. An acorn isn't a potential coconut tree, any more than a human embryo isn't a potential fish. That's why we have to put labels on the seeds - so we know what they are potentially going to grow into.

 

[docoral]

So clearly, for that c93%, the rest of their lives should be miserable because of a bad judgement call in the heat of the moment, or contraception failure, or whatever. Miserable people make awesome parents ... especially the ones who've already identified the fact that their parenting capacity is going to be compromised in some way.
All because we've somehow decided that a bunch of cells etc is a 'life' that must be 'saved'.
Do you know how many zygotes and embryo's are miscarried before the woman even knows she's pregnant, without anyone even knowing it's happened? No ... no one actually knows, because it's impossible to keep records, but it's a fair chunk. Obviously what we actually should be doing is requiring that women have regular pregnancy tests - I guess every month or so - and if they're positive, put them in some sort of institution to minimise the chances of miscarrying, because, y'know, every single life is precious.
Maybe we could get them to wear red, so we can identify them easily and know to be extra-specially careful around them?

Every single life is precious, why don't we start with your's.