Republican strategist: GOP will not survive Trump

[Kirkrapine]

Rick Tyler opines:

Republican strategist Rick Tyler told MSNBC on Thursday that he doesn’t expect the Republican party to survive President Trump — and wonders what will replace it.

The party, he told host Chris Jansing, was hemorrhaging affluent women, along with African American and Latino voters they’ve already lost.

“That would be a generational realignment, and if that’s true the Republicans won’t be in charge for a very, very long time,” he said, adding that the party needed to “stand up to the president” more often. Still, Tyler believed the party was in a death spiral.

“I think in the long run, the damage to the Republican party is such that, I don’t know that the Republican party survives,” he lamented, comparing the GOP to Kadima, the former party of deceased Israeli PM Ariel Sharon. “When Donald Trump leaves, there will be no Republican party anymore. I don’t know what will replace it, but I don’t think that coalition exists anymore.”

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh the (D)'s have been crowing how (R)'s will lose and not be in power EVER again!!!

For a very very long time.....and it's never been accurate.


The only way a party puts the other on it's ass long term is by delivering on some of that good talk they've been on about for years but never follow through with.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Oh the (D)'s have been crowing how (R)'s will lose and not be in power EVER again!!!

This one ain't a D.

Point of style, BTW: Those parentheses you always use are superfluous.

 

[BotanyBoy]

This one ain't a D.

Don't care...he's sucking (D)ick so he might as well be one.

Anyone predicting the fall of a party and long term control of another party is a delusional nut case and often partisan who's allegiances are made obvious by their prognostications of partisan dominance.

Point of style, BTW: Those parentheses you always use are superfluous.

So?

 

[Wrong Element]

Good grief; if they survived Nixon, they can certainly survive Trump. It's a two-party system, and they're one of the parties.

Even if the party somehow went away, it would just be back eventually with new branding (e.g. Canada).

 

[BotanyBoy]

Good grief; if they survived Nixon, they can certainly survive Trump. It's a two-party system, and they're one of the parties.

Even if the party somehow went away, it would just be back eventually with new branding (e.g. Canada).

This....


Sorry Kirk, we aren't getting the single party totalitarian communist state you desire

You just need to move to China or N. Korea.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Don't care...he's sucking (D)ick so he might as well be one.

Anyone predicting the fall of a party and long term control of another party is a delusional nut case and often partisan who's allegiances are made obvious by their prognostications of partisan dominance.

That is not true of Rick Wilson and I see no reason why it would be true of Rick Tyler.

So?

So please stop using them.

 

[Kirkrapine]

This....


Sorry Kirk, we aren't getting the single party totalitarian communist state you desire

You just need to move to China or N. Korea.

What I want is a multiparty system. But until we change over to proportional representation, we will always have a two-party system in some form or other. In that event, the ideal alignment would be Democrats v. Socialists.

 

[HisArpy]

1 "strategist" does not a political party vanishing point make.

It's his opinion, not "fact".

 

[BotanyBoy]

What I want is a multiparty system. But until we change over to proportional representation, we will always have a two-party system in some form or other. In that event, the ideal alignment would be Democrats v. Socialists.

Ewwww.....why so un-American?

 

[Kirkrapine]

Ewwww.....why so un-American?

There is nothing un-American about socialists. Eugene Debs' life was that of an American patriot, and a better one than you, soldier!

 

[Kirkrapine]

1 "strategist" does not a political party vanishing point make.

It's his opinion, not "fact".

Of course it is; but, it is well worthy of discussion.

 

[BotanyBoy]

There is nothing un-American about socialists.

Except it being wholly antithetical to our primary founding political concepts.



Individual rights, ownership of self, private property.

The individual pursuit of happiness.

Economic, spiritual, intellectual and social liberty.


You can't have ANY of those things and social/economic equity, the primary objective of socialism. 100% totally incompatible.

Social liberalism is as far left as you can go before you have to just toss all those core American ideals out the window. That's because the country was almost entirely founded on the ideals of classical liberalism......a right wing political philosophy.

 

[HisArpy]

Of course it is; but, it is well worthy of discussion.

You're not discussing it. You're gloating over the fact that a R strategist is saying the R party is doomed.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The GOP will survive Trump. The lesson learned is throwing an orange molotov cocktail at Washington is too Juggalo.

30 house seats and 11 senate seats is all it will take for the independents to restore order.

 

[Kirkrapine]

You're not discussing it. You're gloating over the fact that a R strategist is saying the R party is doomed.

I included the words he used; they are there for you to dispute.

Far better, in such circumstance, to "gloat" than to dismiss, as you are trying to do, but to debate is better still.

 

[Kirkrapine]

The GOP will survive Trump. The lesson learned is throwing an orange molotov cocktail at Washington is too Juggalo.

30 house seats and 11 senate seats is all it will take for the independents to restore order.

Independents? What have they go to do with anything?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Independents? What have they go to do with anything?

They have everything to do with what post-Tiny party politics will look like, which I believe is the gist of your thread.

 

[Kirkrapine]

They have everything to do with what post-Tiny party politics will look like, which I believe is the gist of your thread.

Generally when people are alienated and leave the GOP, they vote Dem -- many exceptions, no doubt, but mostly they vote Dem. Our electoral system promotes a two-party system and renders third parties irrelevant.

 

[KeithD]

If Romney can find his balls again, maybe some of the real Republicans will stand around him and redevelop a party after Trump is dumped and in prison.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Generally when people are alienated and leave the GOP, they vote Dem -- many exceptions, no doubt, but mostly they vote Dem. Our electoral system promotes a two-party system and renders third parties irrelevant.

I believe what is happening in Maine is the trend that will spread.

RCV, a tendency to vote for the "person not the party" which I translate as the policy positions of the person and not literally the "person", an increase of the rejection of the party religion. (When you have heard the sane people in the GOP get called "RINOS" those using that term are the ones that voted for Tiny)

More people are realizing that both sides are moribund.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I believe what is happening in Maine is the trend that will spread.

RCV, a tendency to vote for the "person not the party" which I translate as the policy positions of the person and not literally the "person", an increase of the rejection of the party religion. (When you have heard the sane people in the GOP get called "RINOS" those using that term are the ones that voted for Tiny)

More people are realizing that both sides are moribund.

Both parties may be moribund as functional organizations in other than the electoral sense; but the center-of-gravity of each party's politics remains relevant and important, and more so than any other positions on the spectrum, which are not the center-of-gravity of a major party because they can't hang.

 

[zipman]

The GOP will survive Trump because its' members will believe any lie they are told. We've seen that too many times.

They will rewrite history and there will be no lasting damage.

 

[mAnn_Tagonist]

It's his opinion, not "fact".

Lol, thanks for clearing that up, Potsie.

 

[doowdniw]

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It's his opinion, not "fact".

When someone opines, they're usually giving their opinion.