Dems take back the House? Be careful what you wish for...

[Que]

Because a healthier nation is better for YOU. When more money is funneled into educating Americans on healthy eating habits and treating the diseases instead of the symptoms, we are better and stronger as a country. This isn't socialism or any other ism. It's fucking common sense and logic.

I'm a healthy, single, middle-aged, Caucasian male and I'm still up for paying a little more so America can be a healthier country.

Any such plan should probably start with some basic ground rules on the use of SNAP benefits. Currently 20% of all SNAP benefits are spent on liquid diabetes. Americans in general in those receiving government assistance and on Medicaid are pretty fat. I don't think there is enough meth in this country to have everyone go on your meth as an appetite suppressant diet.

Also, "not a using" meth does not equal "healthy."

 

[Luk]

Any such plan should probably start with some basic ground rules on the use of SNAP benefits. Currently 20% of all SNAP benefits are spent on liquid diabetes. Americans in general in those receiving government assistance and on Medicaid are pretty fat. I don't think there is enough meth in this country to have everyone go on your meth as an appetite suppressant diet.

Also, "not a using" meth does not equal "healthy."

I'm not trying to mess with your SNAP bennies, dipshit. As far as the meth comment goes - do you really think anyone believes that I'm on meth? Am I the idiot chasing Rob's ghost at 3am? No, that's you and has been you for several years.

 

[Que]

I think you've been pretty emphatic that you "don't abuse" it; that you feel you have it well in hand. You haven't gone full tweaker.

Yet.

 

[CandiCame]

Any such plan should probably start with some basic ground rules on the use of SNAP benefits. Currently 20% of all SNAP benefits are spent on liquid diabetes. Americans in general in those receiving government assistance and on Medicaid are pretty fat. I don't think there is enough meth in this country to have everyone go on your meth as an appetite suppressant diet.

Also, "not a using" meth does not equal "healthy."

What are you calling "liquid diabetes" here? Also where are you getting your information? I didn't know that they tracked exactly what you were buying when you scanned your ebt card. That sounds like some crazy invasion of privacy shit, but it's the government so I can totally see how they would do that. I wouldn't put it past them, I just didn't know it.

Not gonna lie, when I had ebt I spent a lot of it on sugar, but not in liquid form. I bought it bagged like somebody who had some sense, then poured it into a plastic container like I do now with money now that I apparently make too much to get ebt. Which is annoying.

Can't get kinship anymore either. Stupid fucking passage of time making people I was getting government money on adults and knocking me out of it.

Still got the card, though.

Super not sure how this relates to healtcare so I assume this is a completely different conversation just about democratic political ideas? Like we're shitting on Johnson now type of deal?

If that is what we're doing, I'd like to add petty bullshit, as is my want, and point out that he looks like that bulldog from Tom & Jerry.

 

[Que]

I meant soda specifically. I remembered the figures incorrectly. I am right though that soda is the number one most common purchase for SNAP benefit users. Soda alone accounts for 5% not 20% of all snap purchases. The 20% was when I conflated all junk food with soda. Sugary junk food accounts for 20% of snap purchases. Obesity is the number one cause of health care costs for Medicaid recipients. Medicaid recipients are pretty much the same pool of people that get SNAP benefits. We are paying people to get fat and then we were paying to treat their obesity and obesity-related diseases.

To the top it off they are getting more sugar for their SNAP benefit dollars than they should be getting because sugar is subsidized in the United States.

This is no way to run a pop stand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/well/eat/food-stamp-snap-soda.html

 

[Luk]

I think you've been pretty emphatic that you "don't abuse" it; that you feel you have it well in hand. You haven't gone full tweaker.

Yet.

You got a link to that, little lying bitch? Thought so.

 

[Que]

Why? Is that no longer true?

Your exact words were, "I have never abused drugs."

 

[CandiCame]

I meant soda specifically. I remembered the figures incorrectly. I am right though that soda is the number one most common purchase for SNAP benefit users. Soda alone accounts for 5% not 20% of all snap purchases. The 20% was when I conflated all junk food with soda. Sugary junk food accounts for 20% of snap purchases. Obesity is the number one cause of health care costs for Medicaid recipients. Medicaid recipients are pretty much the same pool of people that get SNAP benefits. We are paying people to get fat and then we were paying to treat their obesity and obesity-related diseases.

To the top it off they are getting more sugar for their SNAP benefit dollars than they should be getting because sugar is subsidized in the United States.

This is no way to run a pop stand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/well/eat/food-stamp-snap-soda.html

Oh, yeah I could see that.

Poor people eat a lot of prepackaged food because they tend to work longer hours and don't have as much time to cook. That's a thing. I've posted about it in this very thread, I think. Folks who are poor tend to buy lower quality food that they can make quickly and get more calories from. This is an actual problem that needs addressing, but it won't be a "Don't eat shit food" fingerwave, it'd be a whole worker's rights thing that would give people higher wages and shorter hours so that they could cook, and an education thing so that people would actually know how.

Like I can buy prepackaged food, but if I buy whole ingredients, which is what I do anyway, it's still gonna be shit by the time I'm done with it, and my gf is still gonna get onto me because I bought perfectly healthy fresh vegetables then came home, rolled them in spices and breading and deep fried them.

This bitch didn't know corn nuggets or fried okra existed. Like she flat out didn't KNOW. That made me so sad- imagine going through your whole life and never tasting a corn nugget.

Also it's not just obesity. I'm not obese but my fucking teeth are rotting out and I actually have the SHITTIEST dental insurance. I'm actually in excruciating pain, and I guess I just will be until the 12th because that's the soonest they can get me in. God your teeth rotting out hurts so bad. Last time they had to pull one I got a dry socket. I don't WANT to pull this one, though, I want to pay the $3000 they want to fix it. I can't keep losing teeth like... I just can't. I don't WANT to be a magnificent stereotype.

Plus, the dental issues are kind of worse because the government insurance doesn't cover anything but extractions and fillings. So if you're me, or others like me, who grow up on horrible food, even if they cook it, full of sugars and lipids and citric acid and all that fun shit that rots your teeth- you just have to get your teeth pulled.

And then what do you do? You look like a fucking caricature that they sell at Cracker Barrel, that's what you do.

God damn I love it though. Fructose, sucrose, glucose, just give it to me, give it all to me. I used to eat that shit raw as a kid. Just pure white sugar right out of the cabinet did not give a fuck.

I genuinely love candy. My dentist gets so mad- this motherfucker literally said to me, "I don't usually have to SAY this to adults but stop eating so much candy."

Because apparently he can tell that from a glance because if you suck on a lot of stuff- like mind out of the gutter, like actual suckers and lollipops and shit, it does something to your mouth that dentists can tell at a glance and bitch at you over.

But, again, this isn't going to be solved without education, because if you look at where folks are getting EBT

https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_21/2010091/food_stamp_map_usa_7d69c0d22b114ac850eda4c511342d92.fit-760w.jpeg

And then you look at a map of people who have cultures that heavily rely on southern comfort eating, which is arguably the worst possible diet, even if made from whole foods-

The fried chicken, biscuits & gravy, and sweet potato pie crowd tends to use the most food stamps.

It's not just the pop. You can give us literally anything and our first thought will be to batter it up and see how it tastes deep fried. Probably pretty good.

Like no one can possibly be shocked that we have the highest rates of obesity when you go into any person's house and they instantly tell you to sit down and eat some chicken and fries.

I'm like stuck on fried chicken. I think I just really want chicken. I'm getting hungry. I want some Lees or someshit.

Point is, yeah a fifth of your food budget probably shouldn't be going to prepackaged food, which is what those studies call "junk food", rightfully so because it's all empty calories. Like that is a true fact.

But also I just can't call anybody out on it because I am currently standing here with candy in my mouth and a pop sitting on the roof of my car debating going out to get Lees so fuck me, I guess.

Edit: I really don't want to go to a buffet by myself and I don't know anybody in this town...

 

[Luk]

So why not herion or crack? Why did you choose meth as the drug I've never abused? I mean, you might as go big if you're gonna spread lies, little lying bitch.

BTW, the only thing I abuse are sluts who beg me to mark them while they are voluntarily in restraints.

Ya dig

 

[Que]

Because meth is the drug you talk about constantly. I work with a lot of addicts and they like you are always speaking about their drug of choice in some way or another. You speak about meth more than you speak about weed. It's pretty obvious. Although I'm open to the idea that you're mixing in the occasional oxys or crack.

You self-identified as an alcoholic who is now using other drugs so you are by definition poly addicted. I understand that you think you have all of this well in hand but then again all addicts do until they hit bottom.

Real talk: when was the last time you went 24 hours without a psychoactive substance in your bloodstream?

 

[Que]

Oh, yeah I could see that.

Poor people eat a lot of prepackaged food because they tend to work longer hours and don't have as much time to cook. That's a thing. I've posted about it in this very thread, I think. Folks who are poor tend to buy lower quality food that they can make quickly and get more calories from. This is an actual problem that needs addressing, but it won't be a "Don't eat shit food" fingerwave, it'd be a whole worker's rights thing that would give people higher wages and shorter hours so that they could cook, and an education thing so that people would actually know how.

Like I can buy prepackaged food, but if I buy whole ingredients, which is what I do anyway, it's still gonna be shit by the time I'm done with it, and my gf is still gonna get onto me because I bought perfectly healthy fresh vegetables then came home, rolled them in spices and breading and deep fried them.

This bitch didn't know corn nuggets or fried okra existed. Like she flat out didn't KNOW. That made me so sad- imagine going through your whole life and never tasting a corn nugget.

Also it's not just obesity. I'm not obese but my fucking teeth are rotting out and I actually have the SHITTIEST dental insurance. I'm actually in excruciating pain, and I guess I just will be until the 12th because that's the soonest they can get me in. God your teeth rotting out hurts so bad. Last time they had to pull one I got a dry socket. I don't WANT to pull this one, though, I want to pay the $3000 they want to fix it. I can't keep losing teeth like... I just can't. I don't WANT to be a magnificent stereotype.

Plus, the dental issues are kind of worse because the government insurance doesn't cover anything but extractions and fillings. So if you're me, or others like me, who grow up on horrible food, even if they cook it, full of sugars and lipids and citric acid and all that fun shit that rots your teeth- you just have to get your teeth pulled.

And then what do you do? You look like a fucking caricature that they sell at Cracker Barrel, that's what you do.

God damn I love it though. Fructose, sucrose, glucose, just give it to me, give it all to me. I used to eat that shit raw as a kid. Just pure white sugar right out of the cabinet did not give a fuck.

I genuinely love candy. My dentist gets so mad- this motherfucker literally said to me, "I don't usually have to SAY this to adults but stop eating so much candy."

Because apparently he can tell that from a glance because if you suck on a lot of stuff- like mind out of the gutter, like actual suckers and lollipops and shit, it does something to your mouth that dentists can tell at a glance and bitch at you over.

But, again, this isn't going to be solved without education, because if you look at where folks are getting EBT

https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_21/2010091/food_stamp_map_usa_7d69c0d22b114ac850eda4c511342d92.fit-760w.jpeg

And then you look at a map of people who have cultures that heavily rely on southern comfort eating, which is arguably the worst possible diet, even if made from whole foods-

The fried chicken, biscuits & gravy, and sweet potato pie crowd tends to use the most food stamps.

It's not just the pop. You can give us literally anything and our first thought will be to batter it up and see how it tastes deep fried. Probably pretty good.

Like no one can possibly be shocked that we have the highest rates of obesity when you go into any person's house and they instantly tell you to sit down and eat some chicken and fries.

I'm like stuck on fried chicken. I think I just really want chicken. I'm getting hungry. I want some Lees or someshit.

Point is, yeah a fifth of your food budget probably shouldn't be going to prepackaged food, which is what those studies call "junk food", rightfully so because it's all empty calories. Like that is a true fact.

But also I just can't call anybody out on it because I am currently standing here with candy in my mouth and a pop sitting on the roof of my car debating going out to get Lees so fuck me, I guess.

Edit: I really don't want to go to a buffet by myself and I don't know anybody in this town...

I agree that there's a lot of complexity to the problem. We as human beings are pre-programmed to seek out high-calorie Foods because it used to be hard to get calories. Now the calories are easy were in Dire Straits. Look at our Native American populations. They were lean and hungry when we got here and these days they suffered disproportionately with diabetes because of the easy access to calories. Refined sugar is the crack of calories and it's likely that they aren't adapted to be able to process that. I'm not sure anyone is. As I sit here of course drinking a homemade lemonade that I just made with copious amounts of sugar. Although to be fair it still has less sugar than soda.

We also have to acknowledge that poor people tend to be poor somewhat because of their capacity to be able to handle such things as money management and thinking about consequences. I think if you took the bottom tier in poverty and gave them math test I think that they wouldn't score very well. How are they supposed to make heads or tails of nonsensical nutrition labels on the side of packages. The other day I got a breakfast burrito and it was low bold as having 220 calories of which 280 came from fat. Clearly something there was wrong so I did the math and it turns out the fat calories Kerr were correct the total calories were way off.

 

[Luk]

Because meth is the drug you talk about constantly. I work with a lot of addicts and they like you are always speaking about their drug of choice in some way or another. You speak about meth more than you speak about weed. It's pretty obvious. Although I'm open to the idea that you're mixing in the occasional oxys or crack.

You self-identified as an alcoholic who is now using other drugs so you are by definition poly addicted. I understand that you think you have all of this well in hand but then again all addicts do until they hit bottom.

Real talk: when was the last time you went 24 hours without a psychoactive substance in your bloodstream?

Bwahahaha!

Real talk; fuck off, you lying little bitch.

 

[Que]

Bwahahaha!

Real talk; fuck off, you lying little bitch.

So you cannot remember the last time?

That's about what I expected of you given your history and your frequent references to drugs.

It's not unusual at all for addicts such as yourself to need a pick-me-up to get going and something to help them sleep. I doubt you ever go a day without using several substances.

 

[Luk]

So you cannot remember the last time?

That's about what I expected of you given your history and your frequent references to drugs.

It's not unusual at all for addicts such as yourself to need a pick-me-up to get going and something to help them sleep. I doubt you ever go a day without using several substances.

Excedrin is a helluva drug. I loaded up with 2 of those bad boys this morning. I may pop another 2 in a few hours. Help me!

I know you're too dumb to realize that you totally just admitted that you intimately know an addict's behavior and cravings in great first person detail.

 

[beew]

Because meth is the drug you talk about constantly. I work with a lot of addicts and they like you are always speaking about their drug of choice in some way or another. You speak about meth more than you speak about weed. It's pretty obvious. Although I'm open to the idea that you're mixing in the occasional oxys or crack.

You self-identified as an alcoholic who is now using other drugs so you are by definition poly addicted. I understand that you think you have all of this well in hand but then again all addicts do until they hit bottom.

Real talk: when was the last time you went 24 hours without a psychoactive substance in your bloodstream?

Wow. Another one of Que's awesome psych. evals. on a porn board.

Luke and I are far from being friends, but I so empathise with him right now.

Take it this way, Luke: At least he's not mentally peeping into your vagina/ánus
and diagnosing you with a humiliation fetish - that you get sexually aroused when you get trolled or stalked.

 

[CandiCame]

I agree that there's a lot of complexity to the problem. We as human beings are pre-programmed to seek out high-calorie Foods because it used to be hard to get calories. Now the calories are easy were in Dire Straits. Look at our Native American populations. They were lean and hungry when we got here and these days they suffered disproportionately with diabetes because of the easy access to calories. Refined sugar is the crack of calories and it's likely that they aren't adapted to be able to process that. I'm not sure anyone is. As I sit here of course drinking a homemade lemonade that I just made with copious amounts of sugar. Although to be fair it still has less sugar than soda.

We also have to acknowledge that poor people tend to be poor somewhat because of their capacity to be able to handle such things as money management and thinking about consequences. I think if you took the bottom tier in poverty and gave them math test I think that they wouldn't score very well. How are they supposed to make heads or tails of nonsensical nutrition labels on the side of packages. The other day I got a breakfast burrito and it was low bold as having 220 calories of which 280 came from fat. Clearly something there was wrong so I did the math and it turns out the fat calories Kerr were correct the total calories were way off.

This was so fucking racist and elitist but if you had phrased it not as an asshole it wouldn't have bothered me because your underlying logic is actually pretty sound.

You know I'm poor right? Like I grew up in a trailer. And I'm perfectly capable of reading a nutrition label, I just don't because, hell I'm here for the good time not the long time.

Native folks process sugar as easily as anyone else, we just... tend to be short, on average. That's just a thing that I learned to accept. Nobody is meant to live on high fructose corn syrup. Like we, as humans, are just not. But especially if there's less of you, overall. I'd definitely argue that we weren't thin before you got here, paleface. If you look at the texts at the time people made note of the fact that the ladies, at least, were what the kids are calling "thicc". Especially in the woodlands. The beauty standard was different from the white standard and has ALWAYS been tits & ass. I mean, it's not better or worse, it's just different. Folks were already eating turkey, sweet potatoes, soup beans, corn bread, and a LOT of the food still associated with the region before anybody got here. People blame that shit on white folks because we didn't get deep fat frying down to an art until after colonization and DAMN nobody ever looked back, but I can't in good conscious do that. I mean, I know people do blame the obesity epidemic on the white folks and their delicious, delicious hamburgers but come on, yhall. We all know in our heart of hearts that we were eatin real good before they got here.

Folks in the plains got hungry AFTER a bunch of crop-burning, buffalo geniciding assholes showed up. Because there was a famine. Because assholes.

There is actually a different chart, like different BMI chart, because of cardiovascular disease being common among the native population, that not a lot of people know is a thing. You can get heart disease real easy. I don't know exactly why because I'm not a doctor, but it's not the sugar that's getting us, it's the high lipid content.

God, it's so good though... like yhall really did get us with that shit, it's so good. Fat is just good. Fried chicken is delicious. Double bacon cheeseburgers are like... I once ate, without exaggeration, over 30 white castles because I have no self control and no one stopped me. I don't know what they put in them...

I got off track. I'm fucking hungry.

Anyway, yeah, education needs to be better. It does. That's also a true fact. The better educated you are, the better prepared you are to make healthy choices.

But again, when your culture revolves around unhealthy food, all the math skills in the world won't do you a bit of good.

Nice to see you actually acknowledging that problems have complex intersecting social issues. You don't do that a lot. Like not being sarcastic at all, I am genuinely happy to see that.

 

[CandiCame]

Hey, real quick, why are we shitting on each other by trying to call the other person an addict?

Like, why is that a thing? That is happening right now?

 

[Luk]

Hey, real quick, why are we shitting on each other by trying to call the other person an addict?

Like, why is that a thing? That is happening right now?

Q-#### is a defeated little lying bitch and he *must* think that his betters are lesser so he can sleep after the meth binge.

 

[Que]

Hey, real quick, why are we shitting on each other by trying to call the other person an addict?

Like, why is that a thing? That is happening right now?

Luke is an admitted alcoholic who uses various substances to get through his day. He's been accusing me of using meth for years even though I've never used any illicit substance other than the single time I attempted to smoke weed. I have had exactly a shot and a half of alcohol in about three years.

Luke is projecting, and I am calling him on it.

 

[Que]

Excedrin is a helluva drug. I loaded up with 2 of those bad boys this morning. I may pop another 2 in a few hours. Help me!

I know you're too dumb to realize that you totally just admitted that you intimately know an addict's behavior and cravings in great first person detail.

Exedrin is effective for addicts such as yourself going through withdrawals from various stimulants. Excedrin contains caffeine that's why it's effective for you.

 

[CandiCame]

Hey, Que, can you maybe drop this shit as a personal favor to me?

There's no reason for it. If someone IS an addict, there's legit no reason to bring it up in this context. You're just being an asshole about a group of people and like... can you not?

 

[Que]

This was so fucking racist and elitist but if you had phrased it not as an asshole it wouldn't have bothered me because your underlying logic is actually pretty sound.

You know I'm poor right? Like I grew up in a trailer. And I'm perfectly capable of reading a nutrition label, I just don't because, hell I'm here for the good time not the long time.

Native folks process sugar as easily as anyone else, we just... tend to be short, on average. That's just a thing that I learned to accept. Nobody is meant to live on high fructose corn syrup. Like we, as humans, are just not. But especially if there's less of you, overall. I'd definitely argue that we weren't thin before you got here, paleface. If you look at the texts at the time people made note of the fact that the ladies, at least, were what the kids are calling "thicc". Especially in the woodlands. The beauty standard was different from the white standard and has ALWAYS been tits & ass. I mean, it's not better or worse, it's just different. Folks were already eating turkey, sweet potatoes, soup beans, corn bread, and a LOT of the food still associated with the region before anybody got here. People blame that shit on white folks because we didn't get deep fat frying down to an art until after colonization and DAMN nobody ever looked back, but I can't in good conscious do that. I mean, I know people do blame the obesity epidemic on the white folks and their delicious, delicious hamburgers but come on, yhall. We all know in our heart of hearts that we were eatin real good before they got here.

Folks in the plains got hungry AFTER a bunch of crop-burning, buffalo geniciding assholes showed up. Because there was a famine. Because assholes.

There is actually a different chart, like different BMI chart, because of cardiovascular disease being common among the native population, that not a lot of people know is a thing. You can get heart disease real easy. I don't know exactly why because I'm not a doctor, but it's not the sugar that's getting us, it's the high lipid content.

God, it's so good though... like yhall really did get us with that shit, it's so good. Fat is just good. Fried chicken is delicious. Double bacon cheeseburgers are like... I once ate, without exaggeration, over 30 white castles because I have no self control and no one stopped me. I don't know what they put in them...

I got off track. I'm fucking hungry.

Anyway, yeah, education needs to be better. It does. That's also a true fact. The better educated you are, the better prepared you are to make healthy choices.

But again, when your culture revolves around unhealthy food, all the math skills in the world won't do you a bit of good.

Nice to see you actually acknowledging that problems have complex intersecting social issues. You don't do that a lot. Like not being sarcastic at all, I am genuinely happy to see that.

I don't know a lot about your background but you've given hints here and there that I'm assuming you were raised in poverty. You being raised in poverty had to do with choices that other people that were not you were making.

I have every hope that your next generation is not going to have your disadvantages. I really don't think that you think that you are representative of the reasoning capacity of most people who are in poverty. Anyone can find themselves in poverty temporarily I've been there two or three times myself in the several decades I've been on the planet. It's what you do when your poverty that shows what your capacity is.

They might have been thick, but they were not morbidly obese. I don't think you can find any evidence that there were any natives that were morbidly obese before the white man got here.

I have to admit I'm not a medical doctor either but I've read a lot of different things and from what I understand there is a pretty direct link between the consumption of refined sugar and the onset of diabetes. As I understand it you go through these spikes of blood sugar that at some point in Zep overwhelming your body's ability to make insulin.

I don't know if the high incidence of diabetes in Native populations is because they specifically are even more susceptible to that cycle or whether they just simply have more of a poverty / poor eating habits problem. Warm what I've seen on our reservations out here it was definitely a poverty issue. Less so now that they've got gaming so I have hopes that there Next Generation might fare better. But that's only going to be true if the problem was poverty and not something that is genetically unique that suggests that a (present day) American diet is not such a good idea.

I think the literature on heart disease and arteriosclerosis is all over the map when it comes to diet. 4 years cholesterol was a horrible thing now it's just fine. It seems to be that more fat in the diet is actually better so it kind of depends on the type of fat and how it goes towards breaking down platelets.

Of course everything that you want to talk about regarding the human condition is complex humans are complex animals and you can't really drive very much about any individual human being by comparing a whole sample of human beings. We're all individual and you can't tell anything about an individual from looking at the collective. The collective though is used for when you're talking about what do we need to do in order to provide for this group of people or that group of people.

 

[Que]

"In Zep" for ends up.

I kind of like it like that though in Zep We Trust!

I think I could totally get behind a god named is Zep.

 

[Que]

Hey, Que, can you maybe drop this shit as a personal favor to me?

There's no reason for it. If someone IS an addict, there's legit no reason to bring it up in this context. You're just being an asshole about a group of people and like... can you not?

Yeah, no.

I have zero interest in meth, or discussing it. I've seen what it's done to people people that I know and yet Luk just uses it as a weird random ad hominem and has been doing so for years. He's the one that dabbles in it, not me.

When he brings it up of course I'm going to point out how obvious it is that he's a poly addicted asshole that is projecting his shit on other people. This isn't necessarily just meth- specific he's got a lot of other issues. I mean he's obviously a rageaholic as well.

 

[CandiCame]

I don't know a lot about your background but you've given hints here and there that I'm assuming you were raised in poverty. You being raised in poverty had to do with choices that other people that were not you were making.

I have every hope that your next generation is not going to have your disadvantages. I really don't think that you think that you are representative of the reasoning capacity of most people who are in poverty. Anyone can find themselves in poverty temporarily I've been there two or three times myself in the several decades I've been on the planet. It's what you do when your poverty that shows what your capacity is.

They might have been thick, but they were not morbidly obese. I don't think you can find any evidence that there were any natives that were morbidly obese before the white man got here.

I have to admit I'm not a medical doctor either but I've read a lot of different things and from what I understand there is a pretty direct link between the consumption of refined sugar and the onset of diabetes. As I understand it you go through these spikes of blood sugar that at some point in Zep overwhelming your body's ability to make insulin.

I don't know if the high incidence of diabetes in Native populations is because they specifically are even more susceptible to that cycle or whether they just simply have more of a poverty / poor eating habits problem. Warm what I've seen on our reservations out here it was definitely a poverty issue. Less so now that they've got gaming so I have hopes that there Next Generation might fare better. But that's only going to be true if the problem was poverty and not something that is genetically unique that suggests that a (present day) American diet is not such a good idea.

I think the literature on heart disease and arteriosclerosis is all over the map when it comes to diet. 4 years cholesterol was a horrible thing now it's just fine. It seems to be that more fat in the diet is actually better so it kind of depends on the type of fat and how it goes towards breaking down platelets.

Of course everything that you want to talk about regarding the human condition is complex humans are complex animals and you can't really drive very much about any individual human being by comparing a whole sample of human beings. We're all individual and you can't tell anything about an individual from looking at the collective. The collective though is used for when you're talking about what do we need to do in order to provide for this group of people or that group of people.

Native folks are more prone to lipid hording in a honeycomb structure, which is better for storage and harder to break down. Asian folks are too. So we have this different BMI chart because you can be less fat and have higher lipid levels, which is what causes heart disease and shit. Like there's a genetic thing where just some people store more and some people store less, but you don't necessarily look fatter. Like you can look fine and be obese, because of how you store your fat. So you can have a lower weight as a native or Asian person than a white or black person, for example, but be medically obese.

My family in particular FLIES through sugar (like, metabolism-wise)- you have to remember that native diets have ALWAYS been super high on fructose. We lived on corn and other high-sugar starches like root veggies. Sugar cane is a little different, but not enough to be medically significant, that's mostly a pr campaign. Sugar causes spikes in anybody's blood, but diabetes is hereditary. My dad actually has it. Hell, I might have it, I just never test for it because I'm scared of needles. I pass out when they take blood. I always said that if I had diabetes I'd just die. I'd literally rather just have a chronic disease and never check for it than use the blood sugar monitor. I'm that scared of it. I'll pass out. I know I will. It's not the blood, it's the needle. But nobody on my mom's side has it, and my dad BARELY has it, like he has to monitor it and take pills but he's not on the shots and he's never lost a foot or anything. I'm sure I'm fine. Your body either produces too much or too little insulin and can't regulate your blood sugar so if you eat too much of it it just builds up and builds up and builds up is how that works. I had to learn that with dad. You have to watch fruit and shit too, it's not just candy. It's literally anything with sugar. You can kill yourself with fruit if you're diabetic.

There's two different kinds and I can't remember which one he has, but it's the hereditary one where you can't eat too much sugar.

Dude, you ain't gonna find evidence that ANYBODY was morbidly obese until recently unless they were rich as fuck. Your normal white dude didn't look like Henry the 8th. That's not a race thing or even necessarily a diet thing, that's an ability to sit on your ass thing.

Our lifestyles got more and more sedentary as more and more shit work became the kind where you sat on your ass crunching numbers or doing data entry or whatever, and less manual labor. I'm eating almost exactly the same diet as my ancestors- I've said REAL frequently that my favorite food is soup beans and corn bread. This region, in particular, hasn't really changed our dietary preferences in like a century. Our food is shit and has always been shit, but it's really delicious. Folks here can eat 5000kcal a day and not notice, because you eat like, fried eggs & bacon for breakfast, fried chicken for lunch, and soup beans for dinner. All shit that will straight up kill you.

We've actually started eating HEALTHIER because people became more aware of trans fats. Like when I was little, I legit kept my GI Joes in a lard bucket. Because my granny bought lard in buckets the size of a 4-year-old child. That makes me fucking sick. Refried the soup beans in it, fried the taters for breakfast in it, fried everything in it.

I've never met anybody my age who cooks with lard, because in the late 90s early 2000s, there was a HUGE PR campaign about how that shit was killing us. There were episodes of cartoons about it and shit (I remember King of the Hill and American Dad both did episodes). If you look at the studies we eat BETTER than our ancestors.

But they worked hard labor and for the most part we don't. We have to actively make a point of exercising, or we just won't. Other regions are different, if you live in a city you tend to exercise more, because they've got fucking Amazon warehouses running people to death and shit, but around here people just tend not to do that. There's been a change in lifestyle that is more sedentary.

Also, the people who have the most health problems, and therefore the highest healthcare costs are the elderly who spent their whole lives frying their food in pig grease and are now, predictably, having their hearts give out on them. Like... obvious problems are obvious you dumb motherfuckers, you spent your whole life eating LARD. YOU CAN MAKE A CANDLE OUT OF THAT SHIT. DON'T EAT CANDLES!

I was KIND OF raised in poverty. I have a huge family and lived with a bunch of different people. Not all of them were poor, some of them were just stupid or cheap. But I am of pretty average intelligence, you just think that a lot of people are stupid for some reason. You say shit like that a lot. Most people aren't poor because they're stupid, they're poor because it's so hard to get out of poverty because of the way that capitalism works.

I'm pretty on par with other people who live in my region in terms of general intelligence. I mean, I have to be, I went to the same schools and shit. We all got the same education. People just aggravate me because they don't fucking pay attention and just believe stupid shit like that somehow Trump is going to get them jobs and I'm like, "WE HAD THE SAME ECONOMICS CLASS YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT YOU FUCKING KNOW BETTER! YOU TOOK CALCULUS IN HIGH SCHOOL!"

A lot of people I went to school with seem dumber than they are because they're so fucking depressed all the time, which is fair. Like it wears you down and makes it hard to think. I've been there. But it's hard not to be depressed when you're broke and hate crimes are going up and the only escape you have from the constant pressures of poverty are a couple oxis to space you out for a few hours, or a drink, or the occasional pothead. Sometimes it's better to disconnect than it is to have to face the crippling bullshit that you have to do sober.

Like, I get it. I can't fault anybody. I'll call some people out on it when they're being extra just... evil ignorant like homophobic or racist or whatever, but for general dumbassery that ain't hurting nobody I tend to leave them alone.