Trump set to de-fund Planned Parenthood to get back at women

[BotanyBoy]

Church leaders

Yes, but the government determines that legality, and extends it to churches.

No it doesn't.

The church cannot come blow your doors off at 2am, seize all your property and drag you off to prison for not putting enough into the collection tray.

The government can....it is the ONLY entity to the legal authority to tax.

AGAIN....you keep ignoring the authority of force the government has, CPT. False equivalency.

Skipping right past the constitutional commandment that it violates. Freedom of religeon is not the exception to writing NO LAW. None, did they stutter?

That includes tax law. Respecting an institution of religion. It's not constitutional.

I'm sorry that's just not true because both 1A and SCOTUS says so pretty directly and explicitly.

You can't ignore parts of the Constitution you don't like.

Not taxing certain aspects of the church is absolutely constitutional, get over it.

Like deadbeat dads leaving pregnant women to raise children they can't afford in poverty.

No, that's a totally irrelevant side-effect of feminism.......they wanted to be free and independent whenever they wanted with the god state as daddy to raise their kids.

They fuckin' got it, enjoy!! LOL

 

[psiberzerker]

The church cannot come blow your doors off at 2am, seize all your property and drag you off to prison for not putting enough into the collection tray.

Right, so the threat of eternal damnation (Which isn't scriptural, nor is the Tithe itself) isn't real.

Neither is the IRS blowing off Your doors, at 2am. They're not blowing off Donny's Doors ar Mar Lago at 2am during the vetting progress, and you're just some wealthy singel guy on the coast of California. There's plenty of those, and you're probably low on their list.

If it's violence to threaten, intimidate, and extort money from people stupid enough to pay their taxes with empty threats, then it is for a Church as well. The fact that they claim Authority from God, and are protected by the same Government doesn't make it any different.

Freedom of religion does not mean protecting people who extort money from the guilible.

I'm sorry that's just not true because both 1A and SCOTUS says so pretty directly and explicitly.

Appeal to Authority.

You can't ignore parts of the Constitution you don't like.

You can't either. No Law. In no uncertain terms. Read that part, then tell me how tax law isn't a law, written by Congress, respecting an institution of religion, against the first amendment. They even say "Congress." Specifically.

Not taxing certain aspects of the church is absolutely constitutional, get over it.

Which aspects? Because churches are completely tax exempt, not certain unnamed aspects.

No, that's a totally irrelevant side-effect of feminism.

Well, okay, at least you said Feminism, instead of socialism. That's progress, I guess, but you're ignoring the fact that men can and do walk out on pregnancies all the time. These women need medical care, can't afford it, and don't have affordable Choices, because the place the government set aside to provide them are woefully underfunded.

This is just one example of what Planned Parenthood is for. less than $1.50 a year, and the economic choice in this case was made by the deadbeat dad, not the mother.

#NotAllMen. You want more examples of why America need planned parenthood? because you knew a woman who needed them in 1973. You had to pay for it, out of pocket, because you knew, and cared about her.

What's changed since 1973? You don't need them any more, so now the poor have to make better choices? Or, you stopped caring some time in the past 45 years?

 

[psiberzerker]

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/charities-churches-and-politics

"The IRS administers tax laws written by Congress."

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

Show how taxing churches PROHIBITS the exercise of freedom of religion. The first sentence of the same amendment PROHIBITS Congress. Specifically by name, from making a law respecting an Institute of Religion.

So, show how Tax laws aren't Laws. Churches aren't Institutes of Religion, nor do Tax Laws respect churches as charitable organizations that don't Profit.

It's not constitutional. It never was, it's a tax loophole, for Churches, to hide their Profits.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Neither is the IRS blowing off Your doors, at 2am.

Yea...they will, and they will take all your shit and send you to prison.

If it's violence to threaten, intimidate, and extort money from people stupid enough to pay their taxes with empty threats, then it is for a Church as well.

The government's threats aren't empty....mother fuckers go to jail for tax evasion all day every day


The church can't do that, THAT is the difference for the umpteenth time no matter HOW badly you want to ignore it.

Appeal to Authority.

Yea the constitutional authority.....who says you're full of shit.

You can't either.

I'm not the one posting butchered amendments while ignoring the rest of the Constitution I don't like and shit's all on my crazy....you're the one doing that.

The exception is built into 1A, just because you don't want to read it doesn't mean it's not there.

You're like the Anti 2A people who pretend the last 14 words of it just don't exist!

Well, okay, at least you said Feminism, instead of socialism. That's progress, I guess, but you're ignoring the fact that men can and do walk out on pregnancies all the time.

No I'm not, I fully recognize it....it's a symptom of feminism.

We used to have legal institutions that kept men from doing that and bound men to their responsibilities, it was called MARRIAGE.

Feminism undermined it and now everyone is free! Independent!! Strong!!!

Enjoy the equality!

These women need medical care, can't afford it, and don't have affordable Choices, because the place the government set aside to provide them are woefully underfunded.

This is just one example of what Planned Parenthood is for. less than $1.50 a year, and the economic choice in this case was made by the deadbeat dad, not the mother.

#NotAllMen. You want more examples of why America need planned parenthood? because you knew a woman who needed them in 1973. You had to pay for it, out of pocket, because you knew, and cared about her.

I'm glad you're a fan of PP....you should send them your money.

 

[psiberzerker]

No I'm not, I fully recognize it....it's a symptom of feminism.

Deadbeat dads walking out on pregnant mothers to avoid their financial responsibilities is a symptom of feminism?

We used to have legal institutions that kept men from doing that and bound men to their responsibilities, it was called MARRIAGE.

We still have marriage, and it's voluntary. The same father can refuse to marry her, or just walk out on his child. She can't.

Feminism undermined it and now everyone is free! Independent!! Strong!!! Enjoy the equality!

Feminism didn't destroy marriage. This is a false equivalency, deadbeat dads walked out on pregnant mothers in 1916, the same year Alice Paul founded the National Women's Party to fight for women's right to Vote.

So, that's what it is. Finally, despite the title of this very thread, it comes around to blaming Feminism for men shirking their financial responsibilities, and denying women better Economic Choices.

You should have stuck with Socialism. At least that makes you look like a McCarthyist, instead of an anti-feminist.

To get back at women.

 

[BotanyBoy]

We still have marriage,

We have the skeletal remains of marriage and they don't really mean much of anything anymore.

Feminism didn't destroy marriage.

LOL...yea it did.

This is a false equivalency, deadbeat dads walked out on pregnant mothers in 1916,

No it's not a false equivalency, and not anywhere near the rates they do today.

So, that's what it is. Finally, despite the title of this very thread, it comes around to blaming Feminism for men shirking their financial responsibilities, and denying women better Economic Choices.

You should have stuck with Socialism. At least that makes you look like a McCarthyist, instead of an anti-feminist.

To get back at women.

Nobody is denying women better economic choices.

I'm not anti-feminist, I just don't pretend it hasn't had any negative side effects and has just been nothing but wondrous good! Because it hasn't....

 

[IG_88]

It's not constitutional. It never was, it's a tax loophole, for Churches, to hide their Profits.

Supreme court says you're wrong.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Supreme court says you're wrong.

So does 1A.

 

[psiberzerker]

I just don't pretend it hasn't had any negative side effects and has just been nothing but wondrous good!

No, you just blame feminism for deadbeat dads leaving their wives, and kids. That's why they need Planned Parenthood. If it didn't make selfish assholes better, it certainly didn't make it worse, and even if I accept that feminism makes men abandon their paternal responsibilities, it still doesn't do anything about the reproductive health and children that you blame for it.

Even if feminism created the need, Feminists also created Planned Parenthood to take care of the mothers men abandon. (in the same year they started fighting for the right to Vote, legally.)

There's not an argument there. Whatsoever, Planned parenthood predates when you claim feminism "Destroyed marriage." It started when they started trying to get the power to do that in the first place. it's not even circular logic, it's straight up sexism.

"Because feminist" is just "Because Socialists" only using a different word, so men don't have to pay for their mistakes. Women do.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, you just blame feminism for deadbeat dads leaving their wives, and kids.

What happened to women being strong and independent???

https://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-a-woman-needs-a-man-like-a-fish-needs-a-bicycle-irina-dunn-225562.jpg

Are you saying women need men?? What a misogynist.

Even if feminism created the need, Feminists also created Planned Parenthood to take care of the mothers men abandon.

Like I said....precious state authority to play daddy!

Because women don't need no stinking men.

Planned parenthood predates when you claim feminism "Destroyed marriage."

Irrelevant.....I never said PP had anything to do with it.

it's not even circular logic, it's straight up sexism.

It's neither, because you're checked out to crazy town making shit up 100mph.

 

[psiberzerker]

Are you saying women need men?

No, i'm saying pregnant women need medical care. You're not saying that children don't need fathers.

I never said PP had anything to do with it.

No, you said if women don't chose not to fuck, it's her responsibility. If men refuse to care for their children, it's feminism's fault, and if women can't afford medical care, then it's not the nanny state's responsibility to provide it.

Also, that feminism destroyed marriage, somehow before they got the right to vote.

For some reason, you decided to call me Misogynist, in the same post you continue to accuse feminism of making men abandon their children. How the fuck did feminism make men abandon the unborn?

 

[BotanyBoy]

"Because feminist" is just "Because Socialists" only using a different word, so men don't have to pay for their mistakes. Women do.

Very similar in their ideology and methodology.....generally run in the same circles.

Men do, but they should have to unless they legally agreed to have the kid.

Her body, her responsibility.

 

[psiberzerker]

Men do, but they should have to unless they legally agreed to have the kid.

Her body, her responsibility.

THEY legally agree. Marrage is a legal agreement between 2 people, and parenthood is a financial responsibility for BOTH Parents.

If men as supposed to have the right to fuck, without kids, then they can go to Planned Parenthood, and get Birth Control.

If men can't be held financially responsible for their sexual choices (Rubbers are cheaper than Tampons) when they don't have to be married to stick around, be a father, and provide for their child, then the Government can go right ahead, and provide birth control, so this never becomes an issue.

That's what Planned Parenthood exists for. So people, men and women can chose to have sex, without children they can't afford to take care of.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, i'm saying pregnant women need medical care.

So?

No, you said if women don't chose not to fuck, it's her responsibility.

With the exception of rape how is it not?

If men refuse to care for their children, it's feminism's fault,

Has feminism not done everything it can to undermine a mans role in everything including raising his own kids?

Also, that feminism destroyed marriage, somehow before they got the right to vote.

Making shit up again....99mph...

For some reason, you decided to call me Misogynist, in the same post you continue to accuse feminism of making men abandon their children. How the fuck did feminism make men abandon the unborn?

Woah 200mph to crazyville!!!! making shit up as fast as you can aren't chya?

 

[psiberzerker]

Has feminism not done everything it can to undermine a mans role in everything including raising his own kids?

No. It hasn't undermined marriage, nor fatherhood. That's what you're doing, right now.

 

[BotanyBoy]

THEY legally agree. Marrage is a legal agreement between 2 people,

And among married parents the child abandonment rates are considerably lower than among single mothers.

It's also MUCH easier to hold him legally responsible.

But don't let the patriarchy fool you! Marriage is an outdate form of patriarchal oppression!! Women are strong and independent, they don't need men remember??

If men can't be held financially responsible for their sexual choices (Rubbers are cheaper than Tampons) when they don't have to be married to stick around, be a father, and provide for their child,

Mach 1.19 to crazytown....making more shit up.

then the Government can go right ahead, and provide birth control, so this never becomes an issue.

Sure it can....doesn't mean everyone has to agree with/support such statist oppression and government (A)uthority.

That's what Planned Parenthood exists for. So people, men and women can chose to have sex, without children they can't afford to take care of.

That's great....nobody gives a fuck about that.

The beef is being forced to economically support it.

Why can't the people who supposedly support PP ....put their money where their mouth is and support it?

Why must you require your precious government (A)uthority to stick a gun to everyones head and force them to support it ?

Why not do the liberal/capitalist thing and run a fund raiser instead of being such a fucking Nazi about it???

 

[BotanyBoy]

No. It hasn't undermined marriage, nor fatherhood. That's what you're doing, right now.

It's been stating how worthless and unnecessary men are for decades.

We have numerous generations of boys raised being told women don't need them or any of their shitty masculinity poisoning their lives.

It's facilitated everything need to make it easy as fuck to both get divorced and leave your kids.

The partner left behind will get all kinds of welfare! It's all good....the state will take care of it.

 

[psiberzerker]

We have numerous generations of boys raised being told women don't need them or any of their shitty masculinity poisoning their lives.

Well, if he'd stick around, he'd have more say in what his son learns.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well, if he'd stick around, he'd have more say in what his son learns.

Really irrelevant to the fact that pushing that agenda both socially and legislatively has resulted in MUCH higher rates of single parenting and the poverty/struggles that come with it.

I'm sorry but feminism as a whole is just not the 100% pure altruistic good that never makes any mistakes some folks like to pretend it is.

Much like with anything there are some negative sides to it, this is one of the most glaring of them.

Time to be strong independent women who don't need no stinking men, feminism made heavy contributions to making that bed, we the people now have to fuck in it.

 

[psiberzerker]

Really irrelevant to the fact that pushing that agenda both socially and legislatively has resulted in MUCH higher rates of single parenting and the poverty/struggles that come with it.

Really irrelevant to the fact that pregnant women need healthcare they can afford. Single, married, lesbian, it doesn't matter. They need healthcare, and the ones that can't afford it, still need healthcare.

Time to be strong independent women who don't need no stinking men, feminism made heavy contributions to making that bed, we the people now have to fuck in it.

Right, but the non-strong independent woman, who're pregnant, still need healthcare. That's what Planned Parenthood is for. Blaming feminism still doesn't change the need for healthcare.

Honestly, you know what? If you don't want to pay for it, then get Congress to stop mandating that Insurance is needed for healthcare. "Do you have insurance?" we're not driving without a licence, we're bleeding here.

What am I saying, you can't even convince idiots on the internet than men aren't responsible for fucking, and feminists ruined marriage for everyone.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Really irrelevant to the fact that pregnant women need healthcare they can afford.

So then the people who feel that should take care of them.

Right, but the non-strong independent woman,

Now you're a misogynist...LOL

Honestly, you know what? If you don't want to pay for it, then get Congress to stop mandating that Insurance is needed for healthcare. "Do you have insurance?" we're not driving without a licence, we're bleeding here.

I want them to do just that and return the HC to the people.

What am I saying, you can't even convince idiots on the internet than men aren't responsible for fucking, and feminists ruined marriage for everyone.

Probably because that's not what my position is.

And you're back to making shit up again...stay pressed sweetie and do try to get some medication.

 

[KUJACK]

Most PP only provide abortions

Pregnancy service not so much

 

[psiberzerker]

Now you're a misogynist.

Insisting All Women have to be anything that they don't want? That's straw feminism, it's not about making women into manhaters, it's about equality, and girls growing up what they want to be. If they don't want to be mothers, they don't have to give up a sex-life, or become lesbians. If they like skirts, they don't have to wear pants, and if they like high heels, they don't have to get you a sammetch barefoot, and pregnant. They can make wise economic decisions like have a man in her life, and a career.

Misogyny is blaming feminism for what men do wrong. Like abandon women when they need the most healthcare.

And yet again, call the anarchist a statist, before she calls you a statist. Call a woman a misogynist, because you blame women for being stood up at the alter. Feminists don't have the power to destroy marriage, they don't buy the rings, and give men their names. Men fuck that up all on their own, because of your fear of commitment, and intimacy. (No, not all men. You.)

You're more intelligent than this. You can argue better than this, and you understand that words have meanings better than this. You can look up feminist in your own dictionary, and add whatever words you like, twist them whater way justifies you using Planned Parenthood when it suits you, and call violence because you don't have the balls to put you money where you words are.

If you can't stand up to "Violence," as you see it to fuck over women, and abandon them. You can at least learn the word for the women that see through your self serving bullshit. Yeah, I can take a joke. I can take you any day of the weak you decide to leave your safe place, and join society. You payed for it, you might as well enjoy it. Poltroon, pathetic fucking miser. Humbug, I say!

 

[bestone4ever]

Pregnancy service not so much

What's "pregnancy service"? Is that like a valet for the little bundle of joy?

 

[psiberzerker]

Surrogate mothers imported from Eastern Europe? We know he has money for that!