Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

[Que]

Abortion freaks? Really? What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

You're reaching new lows lately there cueball.. Disappointingly so.


I believe in it being the decision of the person it involves... And certainly not a bunch of idiots like you, vette, AJ or eeyore.

It's legal too,BTW... And unless any of you dickheads have adopted a crack addicted baby or two, your useless horror for the "babies" fails miserably.

Crack babies are a myth. But whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Abortion freaks was her term not mine.

 

[lovecraft68]

Pence is delusional. There are too many who need abortions, who are pro-choice, who are against his stance to make it law. And besides, even if abortions were made illegal again, women would do what they did before: they would go to out-of-the-way shacks or fly out of the country to get abortions from abortionists. Laws never stopped anyone before, and Pence is filling his role as a chauvinistic Republican pig.

Keep in mind Trump will stack the supreme court with judges who would vote in favor of overturning Roe V wade. Doesn't matter what the citizens think...when does it ever?

 

[lovecraft68]

I work near a Planned Parenthood, go by it on my way home. Over the years I've pulled over many times and escorted women in who were being beset upon by assholes with their dead baby signs and their bibles and the priest who sits their smirking while his 'flock' sling slurs and insults.

I've lost track of how many times I've done this, but its easy to count how many times they've gotten in my way or gotten as close to me as they do the women and in some cases teenage girls going there for birth control.

That would be zero.

The men who crusade against abortion, especially the religious type are a special breed of coward. The Eyer breed. There's a few of them in this thread and what it all comes down to is cold male insecurity and little dicks getting even more shriveled at the thought a woman, not a man, is in charge of her body.

 

[cowslinger64]

You don't have to be a woman who's had to make that choice to recognize it when you see it.

I've known more than a few women who've gotten abortions and all but one of them straight up told me it was for "oh fuck a kid right now would be a catastrophic burden on my life right now" reasons. Reasons of how totally inconvenient another kid would be....

Not that I think there is anything wrong with that reasoning.

But let's not pretend it doesn't happen or that you need to be a woman who's gone through it to know that it happens.

It does and EVERYONE knows it.

Crack babies are a myth. But whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Abortion freaks was her term not mine.

A myth? You're completely full of shit and should be ashamed for saying something so ridiculously wrong. Do two seconds of research and post your findings.

You and are alt botanydummy are really on a roll lately.

I feel great about myself. I believe in choice for the woman involved. Not some fuckin idiots deciding.

 

[toeskr]

Can I quote you on that to all the abortion freaks?

^^^^^ Hypoxia alt with more meth involved.

 

[toeskr]

Because the 'right' of each individual person to own a gun is what makes guns so readily available, and that ready availability has a demonstrably harmful effect on the population.

Also, because abortions have a clear beneficial outcome. The only beneficial outcome I can see of owning a gun is the ability to protect yourself ... against other people with guns. That kind of suggests that it might be wise to take guns out of the equation.

Don't bother responding - I know all the answer already. Basically, it comes down to a difference in philosophical perspective regarding the rights of the individual vs the good of the society. It's pretty clear where I sit on that continuum and it's pretty clear where you (and others) sit. The debate isn't winnable by either party because the terms of engagement and the perception of a 'desirable outcome' are fundamentally different.

So the " right " of a woman to kill babies has no effect on the population?

Do what you want but when you are too fucking lazy to get on birth control or too weak to say no, don't use abortion as birth control and wanting others to pay for it? That is one definition of insanity. And if nothing else, make the lazy bastard wear a rubber.

That is my argument. Otherwise, there are other valid reasons for an abortion but good fuck, take responsibility.

 

[Que]

A myth? You're completely full of shit and should be ashamed for saying something so ridiculously wrong. Do two seconds of research and post your findings.

You and are alt botanydummy are really on a roll lately.

I feel great about myself. I believe in choice for the woman involved. Not some fuckin idiots deciding.

*I* should do some research on the subject? All you're doing is repeating discredited hysteria from decades ago. cocaine does pass cross the placenta but it is a reuptake inhibitor. Essentially, what it does is increase the levels of your natural brain chemistry because it's squelches the reuptake of those that's why you feel high.

First trimester is when obstetricians worried most about exposure to drugs. It's thought that it does impact brain development but no one can find a specific consistent tesult. Multiple studies though are unable to confirm the mechanism or if it even exists. studies that have followed children who have been exposed in utero have found that any possible effects were mild to moderate. Nothing like the hysteria behind the crack babies trope. know if you want to argue for sterilizing addicts on general principles I'm with you right there because women who are making those kinds of bad choices tend to have children who make those kinds of bad choices and you can argue with that's nurture or nature but it can't be a good environment.

Fetal alcohol syndrome is a far more prevalent and well-documented syndrome then your imaginary crack baby syndrome.

if you're actually interested in the subject you read about it. If you're not shut the fuk up because you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[cowslinger64]

*I* should do some research on the subject? All you're doing is repeating discredited hysteria from decades ago. cocaine does pass cross the placenta but it is a reuptake inhibitor. Essentially, what it does is increase the levels of your natural brain chemistry because it's squelches the reuptake of those that's why you feel high.

First trimester is when obstetricians worried most about exposure to drugs. It's thought that it does impact brain development but no one can find a specific consistent tesult. Multiple studies though are unable to confirm the mechanism or if it even exists. studies that have followed children who have been exposed in utero have found that any possible effects were mild to moderate. Nothing like the hysteria behind the crack babies trope. know if you want to argue for sterilizing addicts on general principles I'm with you right there because women who are making those kinds of bad choices tend to have children who make those kinds of bad choices and you can argue with that's nurture or nature but it can't be a good environment.

Fetal alcohol syndrome is a far more prevalent and well-documented syndrome then your imaginary crack baby syndrome.

if you're actually interested in the subject you read about it. If you're not shut the fuk up because you don't know what you're talking about.

You're a moron. I read multiple articles about it after your idiotic statement. I'm not going to argue with you about something that's been proven to exist and NOT hysteria. God,, what a tool.

For this discussion... Taking away the Crack baby:

Unless one of you dumbfucks have adopted ANY kind of baby that doesn't go home with its mother... Then you are worse than part of the problem....You're arrogant enough to think you know what's best for someone else's choice... Which once again, is legal.

You're a message board troll and not even a good one.. What makes you think you're qualified to determine what's best for anyone? Your choices for yourself obviously suck otherwise you'd have a life off this messageboard.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're a moron.

You and are alt botanydummy are really on a roll lately.

You call others dummy and moron while struggling to form complete sentences..... like throwing rocks from your glass house do you???

 

[cowslinger64]

You call others dummy and moron while struggling to form complete sentences..... like throwing rocks from your glass house do you???

I do sentences just fine, lardass.

If you had a single ounce of brain in your empty head, you would have felt the same about qberts ridiculous post.

 

[Que]

You're a moron. I read multiple articles about it after your idiotic statement. I'm not going to argue with you about something that's been proven to exist and NOT hysteria. God,, what a tool.

For this discussion... Taking away the Crack baby:

Unless one of you dumbfucks have adopted ANY kind of baby that doesn't go home with its mother... Then you are worse than part of the problem....You're arrogant enough to think you know what's best for someone else's choice... Which once again, is legal.

You're a message board troll and not even a good one.. What makes you think you're qualified to determine what's best for anyone? Your choices for yourself obviously suck otherwise you'd have a life off this messageboard.

No you didn't. Hell, read any lefty think piece about how that trope had racist undertones and had lots to do why crack offenses versus cocaine were over-crimilized and led to the escalation of the drug war in black communities leading to hire incarceration rates. The left isn't wrong about that.

crack babies is the 1980's version of Reefer Madness. It does not exist the way you are expressing it. There are concerns I will certainly wouldn't recommend ingesting any for pregnant women, but the documented instance of -suspected- effect are in fact relatively low and of mild to moderate impact. and just as I explained and you ignored there's no way to tell how much of that had to do with the biology of the mother and the environment that they were undoubtedly raised in if they were raised by an addicted mother.

They're excellent pieces in the New York Times and the Atlantic neither of which have bias that you would object to.

 

[Taint_mAnn]

Crack babies are a myth. Unicorns are real. My Family loves me. But whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Abortion freaks was her term not mine.

PSA

Meth is bad, kids.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Funny Pence has no concern about all the lives that will be lost due to all their Tax cuts to medicare and medicaid.

This isn't about 'life' its about the GOP's knuckle dragging bullshit that has them loathing the fact a woman can control her own reproductive rights. If they succeed with abortion, birth control will be next.

This is one of those comments people should consider when they're so amped up about impeaching Trump. This a-hole will be your next scumbag in chief.

You see that video by George Carlin about pro-lifers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM

 

[Que]

You are by no means unique in thinking what you do about crack babies you're just wrong. It was so heavily promoted at the time that everyone believed that. I assumed it was true until I learned that it was not.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/booming/revisiting-the-crack-babies-epidemic-that-was-not.html?referer=

My brother and I have had long conversations about drugs and pregnancy, both crack in its historical context and more modern trends. Currently, heroin and oxy are the problem. We've discussed what his preferences are on remediating that with women who find themselves pregnant.

I don't recall whether it was he that disabused me of the idea that crack babies were the epidemic that they were reported to be or whether I read that somewhere else and asked him about it but I know that we've discussed it. He specifically an expert in this area because he's been a high-risk obstetrics surgeon for his entire career. It's what he specialized in during his residency fresh out of medical school in a high risk, Impoverished, poor pre-natal care, primarilly black area.

I do know what I'm talking about and I don't talk about things that I don't have good reason to believe I know what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter to you how I know what I know when I actually know what I'm talking about. If you can actually find that I'm not correct on an issue or topic, that's fine we can have a discussion but just assuming I don't is ignorant.

 

[Que]

PSA

Meth is bad, kids.

You should probably stop using it, then.

 

[bellisarius]

*chuckle* And many of the morons that are abhorrent of Pence's opinion want to impeach Trump. You gotta love the liberal mind.

 

[Taint_mAnn]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Derp Alert Derp Alert


Derping In Progress

 

[Taint_mAnn]

You should probably stop using it, then.

It's not just a river in Egypt, Queef. It ruined your marriage, don't let it ruin your career as a door to door salesman too!

 

[schism666]

*chuckle* And many of the morons that are abhorrent of Pence's opinion want to impeach Trump. You gotta love the liberal mind.

There are plenty of actual Republicans who think VP Pence is a dangerous asshole and still want to remove Trump.

 

[Que]

I couldn't remember the name of the researcher who noticed that the tiny, flawed study did not control for other, much more harmful substances, alchohol and heroin.

Claire Coles. I'm looking for her research.

Edit: not finding it but she's referenced in dozens of articles debunking the myth and explaining how it came to be, the politics, the impact, and so on.

Gotta give a cite to make Bobs foam at the mouth. I had no idea that Milton Friedman figured into the controversy at any point but because he is tangentially referenced in a mises.org article, it popped up.

https://mises.org/wire/origins-crack-baby-myth

 

[Taint_mAnn]

I remember reading an article by someone so I know I'm right.

 

[Que]

Vox with a good read on the politics, the issues with race, what mandatory minimums did to the black community, why ra k was penalized so. All due to a fatally flawed study of 23, poly-addicted mothers.

https://www.vox.com/2015/7/10/8928421/crack-babies-myth

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

There are plenty of actual Republicans who think VP Pence is a dangerous asshole and still want to remove Trump.

Pence is the second scariest politician out there, only to Trump. Not even the worst of the feminists come close to the civil rights shitstorm Pence offers to bring down on America. At least Trump has a chance of ending all our suffering by causing a nuclear war. Pence will try to end legal abortion while making abortion MORE popular with his war on contraception and the social safety net. We'll be thoroughly fucked.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Crack babies are a myth. But whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Abortion freaks was her term not mine.

A rather enduring myth.

 

[Adder4321]

Abortions are about as likely to disappear from America as firearms.