The "What is an Assault Rifle?" thread

[KimGordon67]

You can't participate in a discussion on guns if you don't understand that nearly all firearms are more than sufficiently lethal to commit such an atrocity. Until you get that very simple fact through your head you cannot understand that the debate is complete ban and confiscation or meaningless restrictions on guns with the sole goal of nibbling away at guns until you do acheive absolute ban which is never going to happen in America so talking about gun "control" is ignorant.

The fact that you can't be arsed learning proves that you cannot have this discussion.

If you read part the selective fragment you paraphrased, you'd see that I basically think almost all public gun ownership is dumb. In part for the very reason you cite. I can't see the point in saying 'well, these ones are bad, but these ones are OK', because people will just stretch the definition of the 'OK' ones until they're basically the 'bad' ones.

 

[WoundedKnee]

The frontier was far safer. The need for a firearm for personal self protection for some people is far greater now than it was then.

Does everyone need one in their day-to-day lives? Absolutely not in fact most people don't need one. But it's not up to you, and according to the entire structure of our founding it's absolutely not up to the government to decide who does and who doesn't.

There's a reason that people were armed with Henry's and Peacemakers and not all of it was two-legged. It's still not. I live side-by-side with bear, cougar, coyote and skunk, some of the latter being two-legged. It's as if some cultures have become so city-orientated that they forget how open so much of this nation still is.

 

[Que]

I'm not denying there are two separate elements here: motivation and capability.

The guy seems mentally ill. There are a lot of mentally ill people in America. Many get treatment, some don't. The vast majority of them are at best, hazards to themselves.

Easy access to weaponry designed to kill large numbers of people is the other side of the equation. This allows mentally ill people the capability to inflict death and destruction upon large numbers of other people.

If you want to focus on mental illness as the root cause of this issue, that's your perogative. I choose to focus on the latter: the availability of semi-automatic weaponry that have no place in civilian hands.

This puts me at odds with folks who constantly yammer that the best solution is "anything other than gun restrictions". I view that as simplistic deflection, and anecdotally it would appear that more and more Americans are agreeing with my point of view.

The NRA has a playbook they have used and refined with each school shooting, it's become almost rote response by now, and a certain subset of posters here seem to relish in repeating these talking points ad nauseum to "drown out discussion". (check the post counts this month of Richard Daily, Moochie and Queery).

Their canned rhetoric doesn't seem to be garnering near as much traction this time around. They attempt to bog down discussion with semantic wordsmithing over what constitutes a "semi-automatic" or "assault rifle".

It's simply not working. People are fed up with their excuses.

How many rounds were available in the magazine of the steel penis extension that was strapped to the armed guard that you ran and hid behind after shoving that black woman to the ground for panhandling?

I've asked this question of you about 50 time and you've sidestepped it every time, coward. Slink awsy, and have your "friend" stuck in the "snow" in Houston, "Canada" deflect for you.

 

[coachdb18]

Well, it seems a pity that a lot of the population doesn't seem to be able to comprehend that you're not living in the wild west any more, and alter their view of reality accordingly.

There's an alarming amount of mythology in the American view of the world, including this constant fall-back to the 'constitution' as though it's a holy book. Constitutions are only ever context dependent. They are only as good as the interpretation of their words, and should always be able to shift as things change.

Honestly, you spend a great deal of time 'protecting' life against threats that are entirely of your own making.

And THAT is why we threw the tea in the harbor....

 

[RobDownSouth]

So, you feel the best solution is also the simplistic approach but from the other side of the coin? Not much of a difference from where I sit.

There is a meme in another thread about kids with sticks. Something along the lines of:

If your kid hits another kid with a stick, do you give every kid a stick or do you take away the stick?

It's a simplistic approach to the complex problem. The TRUE answer is to take away the stick BEAT THE KID'S ASS with it, and then give it back and see what the kid does with it. If the kid hits another kid with the stick again, BEAT HIS ASS AGAIN and continue until he gets the message. Because the problem isn't the stick now is it?

You take away the kid's stick. Period. Problem solved.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Throb is alt-swirtching at a frenetic pace. He doesn't even bother to change his "voice" anymore.

 

[KimGordon67]

And THAT is why we threw the tea in the harbor....

I think you'll find most of the people who did that are dead now ... you just can't seem to get your head around the fact that that act, and indeed everything that 'made America great' are historical artefacts. As long as you mythologise this creation story, you can't move into the 21st century and deal with what's actually happening now.

 

[Amoebah]

Throb is alt-swirtching at a frenetic pace. He doesn't even bother to change his "voice" anymore.

Just Google "Itanimulli" and look at the first result.

 

[Amoebah]

everything that 'made America great' are historical artefacts.

http://earnthis.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/galaxy_quest_movie_image-3.jpg

 

[WoundedKnee]

Just Google "Itanimulli" and look at the first result.

Okay, that
was

~~ mildly ~~​

amusing.​

 

[BotanyBoy]

I take BotBoy's point though (although I'll deny EVER saying that), that the use of 'assault rifle' on the part of the gun control lobby is possibly erroneous (- I don't understand the ins and outs of gun mechanics enough to really understand why, and honestly can't be arsed learning, because I just think almost all gun ownership by the general public is dumb).

And that's respectable because you're at least willing to own that.

However, the piece that's floating around by one of the doctors who treated the latest school shooting victims seems to present a pretty convincing argument that whatever was used this time has a markedly different, and far more devastating, outcome.

It seems that way because it's part of the ignorance campaign....but it's not.

It's still just a semi-auto .223/5.56mm, the shooter could use any other semi-auto .223/5.56mm rifle to the EXACT same effect.

Like this AR-15 that's NOT an assault rifle.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/frs_15-tfb.jpeg

Even Pee Pawz "ranch" or "huntin' " rifle.
https://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/img/products/original/ruger_mini14_ranch_rifle_1219613_1.jpg


Something the article would NEVER point out because it detracts from their "ASSAULT" weapons idiocy and fear mongering they are super in love with at the moment.

You didn't grow up in a society that was formed by frontiers.
If you did, you would understands better some our takes on both issues.
Life is too short and to precious not to protect in as many ways as possible.

True, but a lot of folks also need to realize it's 2017, the technology era and society doesn't depend on everyone having as many kids as possible anymore.

I'm sorry, but getting pregnant is just as clear-cut of a process. We know exactly how to stop it in so many different ways.

No it's not....because we know exactly how to stop it in so many different ways.

Combine that with the fact that kids are like the biggest fucking burden one can have and that is exactly what complicates it.

Easy access to weaponry designed to kill large numbers of people is the other side of the equation.

Not any more so than any other .223/5.56mm semi-auto rifle....

Which is what makes your "assault weapon" classifier so funny and your instance that a ban on rifle accessories will somehow curtail a gun violence issue that's almost entirely done with pistols.

 

[Que]

There's a reason that people were armed with McHenry's and Peacemakers and not all of it was two-legged. It's still not. I live side-by-side with bear, cougar, coyote and skunk, some of the latter being two-legged. It's as if some cultures have become so city-orientated that they forget how open so much of this nation still is.

You're supposed to just call Animal Control when a four-legged predator shows up and the police when a two-legged predator shows up.

Nowadays they can fill out the appropriate forms on a mobile display terminal, that saves a lot of time and manpower in what is ultimately the most common use of a police officers time which is filling out forms after a crime has already occured.

Current Phoenix Police Department (almost 3,000 officers) response time for a priority one call (violent crime in progress) is 6 minutes, 8 seconds.

Last time I needed them I had been hit by a drunk driver in a parking lot. He got out of his vehicle, I got out of mine we had some words. Fortunately he decided that discretion was the better part of valor, got in his truck, and roared off making it now a hit and run as well. I was able to get a report filled out in a mere two hours but only because a police Sergeant happened to roll into the same parking lot so he could fill out some paperwork in peace on another crime. Never did get a follow-up call on that, even though I read off his tag to the 911 operator in realtime as this happened.

 

[RobDownSouth]

How many rounds were available in the magazine of the steel penis extension that was strapped to the armed guard that you ran and hid behind after shoving that black woman to the ground for panhandling? I've asked this question of you about 50 time and you've sidestepped it every time, coward. Slink awsy, and have your "friend" stuck in the "snow" in Houston, "Canada" deflect for you.

50 times indeed. ...obsess much?

Small wonder AJ publicly disowned you after your HOF fiasco.

Even he recognized that you're mentally unstable.

You can throw all the "gotcha" questions at me that you like, it doesn't obligate me to answer them, it only makes you look shrill and desperate when you repeat them over and over.

I suppose that's "winning" to you.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Throb is alt-swirtching at a frenetic pace. He doesn't even bother to change his "voice" anymore.

Go fuck yourself, Chief.

Anything I have to say I'll use this, my only userid.

I don't hide behind alts like you and your former off-board bro queerbait.

 

[WoundedKnee]

You have a point about necessity, but culture most times outlives generations. I was raised by people who survived the Great Depression and that made me frugal and oriented towards saving, so I am well prepared for the future on so many levels.

 

[WoundedKnee]

You're supposed to just call Animal Control when a four-legged predator shows up and the police when a two-legged predator shows up.

Nowadays they can fill out the appropriate forms on a mobile display terminal, that saves a lot of time and manpower in what is ultimately the most common use of a police officers time which is filling out forms after a crime has already occured.

Current Phoenix Police Department (almost 3,000 officers) response time for a priority one call (violent crime in progress) is 6 minutes, 8 seconds.

Last time I needed them I had been hit by a drunk driver in a parking lot. He got out of his vehicle, I got out of mine we had some words. Fortunately he decided that discretion was the better part of valor, got in his truck, and roared off making it now a hit and run as well. I was able to get a report filled out in a mere two hours but only because a police Sergeant happened to roll into the same parking lot so he could fill out some paperwork in peace on another crime. Never did get a follow-up call on that, even though I read off his tag to the 911 operator in realtime as this happened.

~~ chuckle ~~

I can't wait for 30 minutes minimum when a predator is coming after my property. On the other hand, yesterday I went out early in the morning to the smell of skunk. I'm guessing that a coyote tried to nail one and paid the ultimate price. I don't approve of letting smart coyotes live and getting pissed on will make you a hellofa lot smarter.

 

[Que]

If you read part the selective fragment you paraphrased, you'd see that I basically think almost all public gun ownership is dumb. In part for the very reason you cite. I can't see the point in saying 'well, these ones are bad, but these ones are OK', because people will just stretch the definition of the 'OK' ones until they're basically the 'bad' ones.

Exactly right.

The problem is the disingenuous pukes on the left in America can't simply man up and say that they are in favor of going house-to-house and confiscating guns. Unless you're willing to do that to remove 350,000,000 to possibly 500,000,000 guns from the American public all you will do is disarm the wrong people.

Part of the problem is the left has insisted on bastardizing a portion of an amemdment to our Constitution. This is become known as the incorporation Doctrine. In essence anything that the federal government is not allowed to do to you the states can't either nor can local jurisdictions. Which is nonsense the Constitution is Barack Hussein Obama correctly stated is a charter of negative Liberties it is designed to prevent the federal government from doing certain things and taking certain actions. There's absolutely nothing in the Constitution to prevent the Illinois or the city of Chicago from Simply deciding to ban guns in Chicago and enforcing that with Road Blocks checks house to house searches and draconian penalties up to and including the death penalty if they see fit.

My view is that if such an experiment were undertaken it would have little to no effect on the violence that played Chicago because I personally don't believe that guns are the problem. However we won't know unless we completely banned guns. So I say try it try it in Chicago if you can stop the violence there then maybe we can talk about doing that Nationwide but nobody on the left is even willing to talk about the biggest problem we have in this country with so-called gun violence which is specifically black people specifically shooting other black people over meaningless disputes in Chicago Baltimore and other major cities. those cities are controlled by the American left they are unable to do anything in their backyard but they want to come to my front yard and tell me how to live.

 

[Chancellor_Palpatine]

Throb is alt-swirtching at a frenetic pace. He doesn't even bother to change his "voice" anymore.

Oh, snap! Looks like AJ went to Queef's school for alt detectives.

 

[HisArpy]

You take away the kid's stick. Period. Problem solved.

So what do you do when the neighbor kid has a stick and he hits YOUR KID with it? Oh, wait, how about we pass a law that prohibits YOUR KID from owning a stick too.

That'll make the bruises and broken bones feel better.

Social ills cannot be solved by prohibition. Didn't you learn that the FIRST TIME?

 

[BotanyBoy]

You have a point about necessity, but culture most times outlives generations. I was raised by people who survived the Great Depression and that made me frugal and oriented towards saving, so I am well prepared for the future on so many levels.

My grandparents where the same way.

One of my grandmothers still has like 16 or 17 siblings.

The information erra is changing shit so fast people can't even wrap their feels around it.

In modern life kids are a hinderance and a burden now....the absolute worst fucking thing that can happen, not an asset.

So that "culture" of breed all you can!!! Is GONE...and just short of being sent back to the stone age it's never coming back. Infinite population growth is not only impossible but also undesirable.

 

[Que]

You take away the kid's stick. Period. Problem solved.

. . .because he could never go out and say, pick up another stick.

 

[WoundedKnee]

My grandparents where the same way.

One of my grandmothers still has like 16 or 17 siblings.

The information erra is changing shit so fast people can't even wrap their feels around it.

In modern life kids are a hinderance and a burden now....the absolute worst fucking thing that can happen, not an asset.

So that "culture" of breed all you can!!! Is GONE...and just short of being sent back to the stone age it's never coming back. Infinite population growth is not only impossible but also undesirable.

Actually, that culture is only dead to a certain segment of the Western populations. Those whom celebrate the overwhelming of the "white" population are relying upon the breeding of non whites.
In the last paragraph, you read like a writer of the 70s. Population growth is predicted as the end of the world because it is framed in the technology of the present, which is held to be a constant.

 

[mark_j]

Dude, you must be one of those guys who gets off on pointing out mistakes made by others but who doesn't see the mistakes he makes himself.

Then point out the mistake and I'll go correct it. No, on second thought, don't bother.

But hey, keep scanning for all those missing periods and typo's. It makes you soooo much smarter than everyone else who's out partying while you're squinting at the computer screen. Oh yeah, don't forget to write a wall of text telling me how brilliant you are at finding my mistakes. It's enlightening to everyone as they flip past it on their way down to the next post.. (<-- oh looky, I put in a double period. Enjoy!)

Blah, blah, blah, blah.. Whatever pal. Bash on, you're the expert, right?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Actually, that culture is only dead to a certain segment of the Western populations.

All of the 1st world, tech era segments.

Those whom celebrate the overwhelming of the "white" population are relying upon the breeding of non whites.

They generally speaking aren't part of western 1st world civilization.

Not to mention almost always uneducated, highly religious and tyrannical control freaks.

In the last paragraph, you read like a writer of the 70s. Population growth is predicted as the end of the world because it is framed in the technology of the present, which is held to be a constant.

No...that's a huge assumption.

I never said population growth is predicted as the end of the world nor did I ever suggest technology is a constant.

I think population growth goes through trends based upon any populations ability to support that growth because biology and economics.

I think the current trend is that having a kid much less a whole brood isn't of a particular benefit to either the individual or society at large. THAT COULD CHANGE.....but not without some rather radical shit happening.

So until some major shit goes down the USA isn't going to need to fire up the breeding programs anytime soon. We got too many assholes as it is.

 

[WoundedKnee]

I'm sorry, but the Western cultures are currently welcoming in other cultures as a tax base for promises they made to themselves when it comes to "the social safety net." It's a form of suicide by Idiocracy.