High School Shooting In Florida

[Rightguide]

NR nails it with this one:


Fire the FBI Chief
By KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON
February 18, 2018 4:00 AM

American government is supposed to look and sound like George Washington. What it actually looks and sounds like is Henry Hill from Goodfellas: bad suit, hand out, intoning the eternal mantra: “F*** you, pay me.”

American government mostly works by interposition, standing between us, the free people at whose sufferance it exists, and the things we want to do. Want to drive a car? “F*** you, pay me.” Own a home? “F*** you, pay me.” Want to build an extension on that home? “F*** you, pay me.” Got a job? “F*** you, pay me.” Business good? “F*** you, pay me.” Business bad? “F*** you, pay me.”

The guiding principle of American law enforcement is that it is easiest to enforce the law on law-abiding people, while enforcing the law on outlaws is something that looks terrifyingly close to hard work. That’s why gun control so ensorcels the bureaucratic mind. (Which is to say, the progressive mind: The essence of progressivism is replacing organic institutions with permanent bureaucracies.) If you are a federal law-enforcement agent with a comfy desk chair, you probably cannot imagine a more attractive anticrime program than gun control. Gun dealers have federal licenses, and they have to apply for them: You don’t have to go tracking them down — they come to you. They fill out paperwork. They generally operate from fixed addresses with regular business hours. Convenient! What you have is the power of political interposition, which is a mild form of terrorism. Want to operate a sporting-goods store? “F*** you, pay me.” And — mirabile dictu! — they pay. Sometimes, they even evince gratitude that you’ve done them the great favor of taking their money and allowing them, generous fellow that you are, to dispose of their own property as they see fit.

Chasing down fleet-footed 18-year-old criminals through the rough parts of Chicago on a cold February evening? That’s work. And that’s why we don’t do squat to prosecute actual gun crimes — the U.S. attorney’s office in Chicago won’t even look at a straw-buyer case unless it’s a major organized-crime enterprise — but we twist ourselves into knots to figure out how to create new hoops for federally licensed firearms dealers and their customers to jump through every time some pasty-faced virgin shoots up a school.

Chasing around pasty-faced virgins is work, too. Sometimes, you have to go so far as to pick up the phone.

More here:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/florida-shooting-fire-fbi-chief-christoper-wray/

 

[St_mAnn]

When I was a kid, personal responsibility was everything, and successful parenting meant you had successfully navigated your your charge to the point where they could lead a self reliant life and successfully contribute to the world.

That ethic has 'progressively' eroded to the point that no one is responsible for their own acts and actions any more, it's all societies fault, and only ever bigger government is the answer for everything that ails us. It's a false promise, and now we get the result. What have therapy dogs and safe spaces given us? Whiners, kids who can no longer write a legal signature, and school shootings. 'Progressivism' has taken us backwards in the evolution of man. It's time we recognized the failure that it is, and reawakened the renaissance that led to our successes that we can now see clearly, if only we stop the denials.

The solution is something we once had, and chose to throw away as 'unenlightened'. If we are to actually advance and once again enjoy success, we have to restore the self reliance goal we once cherished, and end this cultural expectation that everyone else is to blame.

Therapy dogs? Oh binky

 

[richard_daily]

Therapy dogs? Oh binky

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/300x300/81347375/liberal-therapy-dog-says-your-bootstraps-suck.jpg

 

[BotanyBoy]

Then we fundamentally disagree. I believe there is a solution to this problem,

And the solution is??

because this problem only exists in the US.

REALLY? Gun violence only exists in the US?

I'd like to see a citation for that pile of shit, because I've personally engaged in a shit load of gun violence around the world far outside the USA.

Your position seems to be that being alive isn't a civil right.

You seem hellbent on that ascription, you're wrong and you have nothing to support it.

That's the problem: you're not going to be the majority for much longer. Within 5 years, we will overtake whites as the majority in Chicago, and then most will move out and never return. One, maybe two more generations (20-40yrs), and we will be >50% of the US.

I'm not white dingbat.

IDC about Chiraq either...that shit hole is already suiciding itself, #1 town in the US for people getting the fuck out.

Mental health care. On demand. Without apology.

I've stated it multiple times in this thread, but no one wants to tackle it... because they know I'm right,

That must explain why so many of these shooters were receiving or had open access to mental health care

You're not wrong, but your not right either.

Mental health care certainly might help...but it's not a sure all silver bullet solution.

I'll agree. But that "it's all about me" culture stems in great part due to the fake "rugged individual" aesthetic that the right has pushed for so long.

Yea....since 1776.

It is all of these people's problems, including mine. That's why I'm demanding health care for everyone, including good quality mental health care.

No, it's not. That's the big fallacy.

You're demanding everyone give up a bunch of their means under threat of violence from the state via your Gestapo buddies.

We are a society, and we fail as a society.

LOL keep telling yourself that champ.

 

[silver gurl]

Emma. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/us/emma-gonzalez-florida-shooting.html

 

[RobDownSouth]

I've never been married. Girlfriends are about it, I value my independence and economic freedom too much right now to tie the knot.

Gay marriage came along just a bit too late for you, eh?

Never served in the USMC either, right?

 

[richard_daily]

And the solution is??



REALLY? Gun violence only exists in the US?

I'd like to see a citation for that pile of shit, because I've personally engaged in a shit load of gun violence around the world far outside the USA.



You seem hellbent on that ascription, you're wrong and you have nothing to support it.



I'm not white dingbat.

IDC about Chiraq either...that shit hole is already suiciding itself, #1 town in the US for people getting the fuck out.



That must explain why so many of these shooters were receiving or had open access to mental health care

You're not wrong, but your not right either.

Mental health care certainly might help...but it's not a sure all silver bullet solution.



Yea....since 1776.



No, it's not. That's the big fallacy.

You're demanding everyone give up a bunch of their means under threat of violence from the state via your Gestapo buddies.




LOL keep telling yourself that champ.

Which individual won independence for the US?

In the military, did they ever send out out on patrol by yourself? If not, why do you think that is?

Rugged individualism is a myth. It's bullshit, and if you believe that you never have to depend on other people, I suggest you get some of that mental health care that you're bashing so willingly.



Adam Lanza was likely an un-diagnosed schizophrenic.

Untreated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/22/...roblems-completely-untreated-report-says.html



Ft. Hood shooting.

Untreated mental illness.



Jared Lee Loughner.

Untreated mental illness.



Name a single mass murder that didnt' contain either untreated mental illness, or a lack of quality access to mental health care.

You can't.

There is no "emergency room" for mental health care, and mental health care isn't something you can go in and treat with one session. We have tons of stigma around it, and a total lack of funding. It's important, and critical that everyone who needs mental health care, gets it.

Failure to do that, will result in more people hurting themselves and others, with or without a gun.

 

[Que]

Which individual won independence for the US?

In the military, did they ever send out out on patrol by yourself? If not, why do you think that is?

Rugged individualism is a myth. It's bullshit, and if you believe that you never have to depend on other people, I suggest you get some of that mental health care that you're bashing so willingly.



Adam Lanza was likely an un-diagnosed schizophrenic.

Untreated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/22/...roblems-completely-untreated-report-says.html



Ft. Hood shooting.

Untreated mental illness.



Jared Lee Loughner.

Untreated mental illness.



Name a single mass murder that didnt' contain either untreated mental illness, or a lack of quality access to mental health care.

You can't.

There is no "emergency room" for mental health care, and mental health care isn't something you can go in and treat with one session. We have tons of stigma around it, and a total lack of funding. It's important, and critical that everyone who needs mental health care, gets it.

Failure to do that, will result in more people hurting themselves and others, with or without a gun.

All of them had access to mental health care. There is no means to insist anyone get some unless and until they present as a danger to others. That lasts 72 hours or until their first dose of medication, then the cycle begins anew.

Fort Hood WAS a mental health professional, and his only presenting symptom was excessive religiosity.

 

[richard_daily]

"This post is a great source of irony." -Liam

Do you have a crush on lance?

 

[Que]

Do you have a crush on lance?

Do you feel threatened by references to him?

 

[briie]

I Keep hearing the mantra "It's not about guns, it's about mentalhealth."

What? Are they implying that ADHD,depression or traumatic events like that kid went through, are the root cause of mass shootings?
No, they are not. In the case of this kid yes, depression and trauma pushed him over the edge, but it was mostly about his personality and his lack of empathy. Mental health professionals can't change personality; those offenders belong in jail. Only certain mental health conditions like some psychotic disorders completely obliterate one's personality.

And even if it were the case of a mental health issue, those things aren't that easy to predict.
Are we going to become a Russian Police State in which mental health professionals will be forever looking over their shoulders or pathologizing anything, out of fear of losing their jobs or being put in jail? Or in which every weird or disgruntled teenager becomes pathologized or reported?

Because That's what will happen if those NRA apologists get their way.
I bet that none of them is thinking about investing billions of dollars into the Health sector or in other supports for stressed or disenfranchised kids.

 

[briie]

Kids from that school are now realizing that despite the lipservice paid, Republicans aren't going to go against the NRA. And that Democrats are more interested in scoring political points or 'getting at' Republicans, than in the real issue.

So they are now saying: "Fuck you political partisan hacks on both sides, we're starting a grassroots movement of our own."

 

[coachdb18]

Fort Hood WAS a mental health professional, and his only presenting symptom was excessive religiosity.

So much for the 'mental health care will cure everything' asshats

 

[Sean]

So much for the 'mental health care will cure everything' asshats

Exactly. LMAO, you didn't read the rwcj talking points too well, did you, mensa boy?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Rugged individualism is a myth. It's bullshit.

No, it's not, it's an ideal this country (along with individual rights, further supporting individualism over the collective) was founded upon.

No matter how delusional you are about the USA originating from an EXTREME left wing collectivist roots.

Ft. Hood shooting.

Untreated mental illness.

WRONG!!! Radical Islamic terrorist....with FULL access to mental healthcare.

Name a single mass murder that didnt' contain either untreated mental illness, or a lack of quality access to mental health care.

Virginia tech shooter, the orange haired freak in CO, the Vegas shooter among many many others.

A LOT of mass shooters are accessing that mental health care buddy....can't get a pile of prescriptions without it!

You can't.

I just did....Google has many more.

Failure to do that, will result in more people hurting themselves and others, with or without a gun.

I agree....but no amount of HC or access to HC will stop all gun violence. It's a verifiable fact that some people who get MHC still come un-glued.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So much for the 'mental health care will cure everything' asshats

And the idea that we NEED religion in our society too.....

 

[richard_daily]

I Keep hearing the mantra "It's not about guns, it's about mentalhealth."

What? Are they implying that ADHD,depression or traumatic events like that kid went through, are the root cause of mass shootings?
No, they are not. In the case of this kid yes, depression and trauma pushed him over the edge, but it was mostly about his personality and his lack of empathy. Mental health professionals can't change personality; those offenders belong in jail. Only certain mental health conditions like some psychotic disorders completely obliterate one's personality.

And even if it were the case of a mental health issue, those things aren't that easy to predict.
Are we going to become a Russian Police State in which mental health professionals will be forever looking over their shoulders or pathologizing anything, out of fear of losing their jobs or being put in jail? Or in which every weird or disgruntled teenager becomes pathologized or reported?

Because That's what will happen if those NRA apologists get their way.
I bet that none of them is thinking about investing billions of dollars into the Health sector or in other supports for stressed or disenfranchised kids.

Someone belongs in jail for having a personality that isn't mainstream?

Ok, player.

Uhh, that IS a russian police state.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Someone belongs in jail for having a personality that isn't mainstream?

Ok, player.

Uhh, that IS a russian police state.

Everyone must be made equal!!!

Love that egalitarianism and the states dedication to enforcing it.

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.R8rxcymTxKxSM_WHhzbREQHaF7&pid=Api

 

[coachdb18]

We assume that 'normal' people don't kill other people, so ANYONE who kills someone else is AUTOMATICALLY assumed to be mentally ill. Brilliant! But five minutes prior to killing someone, they were 'mentally stable' because they hadn't killed anybody yet, and 'society' hadn't noticed erratic behavior, and no one had turned them in....

So that's where we are, with an active shooter in the room and people screaming and hiding...

The only option you have is to shoot back, and limit the carnage, because active shooters just don't stop because you spent billions on academics to become shrinks that can do nothing more than say 'nobody told us he was mentally ill'.

 

[ChinoMoreno]

REALLY? Gun violence only exists in the US?

america makes up 5% of the world pop. but accounts for over 30% of the mass shootings the math dont add up.

 

[richard_daily]

america makes up 5% of the world pop. but accounts for over 30% of the mass shootings the math dont add up.

And we have the most number of uninsured people in the 1st world.

Not a coincidence.

 

[ChinoMoreno]

And we have the most number of uninsured people in the 1st world.

Not a coincidence.

instead of the fight for or against guns were going to fight over who or who isn't mentally stable enough to own guns. i dont see this working out much better.

 

[briie]

Someone belongs in jail for having a personality that isn't mainstream?

Ok, player.

Uhh, that IS a russian police state.

No, what I meant was in the line of:
For example, most serial killers have some sort of antisocial and or narcissistic personality disorder. And they experienced some early or present trauma, like this kid did.

But those are no excuse, particularly since a minimal no of people with those personality disorders or horrible life experience take it on others in That way.
And unfortunately people like that kid will be very hard, if not impossible to fix. Thinking that mental health professionals have a magic bullet for that sort of thing is erronous.

 

[coachdb18]

And we have the most number of uninsured people in the 1st world.

Not a coincidence.

People should be free to make choices (remember that 'Freedom of Choice' USED to be something lefties were FOR), and the choice to buy, or not to buy insurance, or anything else for that matter, USED to be a right free people enjoyed. Not everyone needs insurance, and the belief that you know better than they do what is best for them is pure socialism run amok.

 

[BotanyBoy]

america makes up 5% of the world pop. but accounts for over 30% of the mass shootings the math dont add up.

Mass shootings are a hugely US thing but they are still a microscopic % of gun violence, even in the US.

Also that's because most of the mass shootings aren't reported and documented.

When asshole in the Congo, Burma or Colombia goes in slaughters a village and burns it to the ground nobody cares. It's not in your face.

And we have the most number of uninsured people in the 1st world.

Not a coincidence.

Ever the insurance salesman.

What company do you work for?