How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Tryharder62]

How is committing cities to hell supposed to be an example for others? Can you verify that those cities are in hell, or that hell even exists?

Genesis 19:23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

Sure sounds like standard combustion and pyrotechnics to me.

Well I am simple that way. If a people are doing wrong and God snuffed them out to eternal fire, I would get the hint not to do the same thing. You know - common sense.

I don't know if the cities are in hell just like you don't know they aren't. Those are my thoughts from what I read. I wasn't there but I think it sounds like an asteroid or comet. Interesting.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

How is committing cities to hell supposed to be an example for others? Can you verify that those cities are in hell, or that hell even exists?

Genesis 19:23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

Sure sounds like standard combustion and pyrotechnics to me.

God judged those cities because of their gross immorality and their refusal to repent.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I think eternal fire means hell. You know, eternity....smoking or non-smoking.

I would agree totally.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

The Holy Spirit inspired crucifixion? Are you freaking kidding me?

That's even more ridiculous than you having spells cast upon you over the internet.

Do you go to botanydummys church where you just sit around and get high?

I never said that the Holy Spirit inspired crucifixion what I'm saying is that the Holy Spirit knew that it would happen.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So which is “me” and which is “him”? Are they both supposed to be Jesus? First Jesus and Second Jesus?

Me and Him are both Jesus Christ.

 

[phrodeau]

Me and Him are both Jesus Christ.

Well, there goes Yahweh, deliberately confusing the language again.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Well, there goes Yahweh, deliberately confusing the language again.

I am not confused. Not sure why anyone would be. God refers to future events sometimes in the past tense. God Isn't bound by time.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll if you haven't yet.

 

[phrodeau]

I am not confused. Not sure why anyone would be. God refers to future events sometimes in the past tense. God Isn't bound by time.

If God wrote the Bible for people to read and understand, He did a lousy job. Face it. Every passage has to be put through the wringer of interpretation in order to fit some joker's narrative, because it doesn't stand up on its own.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

If God wrote the Bible for people to read and understand, He did a lousy job. Face it. Every passage has to be put through the wringer of interpretation in order to fit some joker's narrative, because it doesn't stand up on its own.

God wrote the Bible so that, in some places, it is easy to understand, but in other places, you have to do more extensive study. It's wisdom. He's not a joker. He is perfect wisdom. How illogical is it to call the creator of all things "A Joker"? You really think you know more than He does? Really?

 

[phrodeau]

God wrote the Bible so that, in some places, it is easy to understand, but in other places, you have to do more extensive study. It's wisdom. He's not a joker. He is perfect wisdom. How illogical is it to call the creator of all things "A Joker"? You really think you know more than He does? Really?

https://www.christianpost.com/news/...confusion-over-inerrancy-of-scripture-215528/

Following the resignation of top leaders at Moody Bible Institute amid controversy, some have now detailed their concerns about the theological direction of the institution, especially over the inerrancy of Scripture.

In a post on her blog late Thursday, Julie Roys, formerly the host of Moody Radio broadcast "Up for Debate," a show that has been canceled, noted that despite assurances from leadership of "no [doctrinal] drift" at the school, some professors at Moody now sign their names to statements of faith while saying they believe otherwise.

Experts disagree with you, and you are the joker.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

K thanks.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

You have no idea how long Christ's hair was, you have absolutely no legitimate idea of what Christ looked like in the first place...

...so why is it so important for you to speak as if you do know?

From one hand you proclaim every word in the Bible as God's...

...yet from your other you pose to evangelize that Paul's words need more explanation/clarification from you.

Can you preach to the Board, padre, what the Bible says about those who add to it like you continually do, and then preach that to anyone else?

According to the scholars and historians and the early paintings of Christ, I think that it is reasonable to believe that it was at least shoulder length. But that isn't long by the cultural standards of His day. I can give my opinion if I want on the matter. No one had buzz cuts back in Christ's day. Clippers hadn't been invented yet. From what I understand the Bible is pretty silent on the actual length of Christ's hair, but that doesn't mean that we can't know by other sources.

 

[BobBalouski]

This Bazooka Bubble Gum wrapper Become a Real Preacher correspondence course is obviously more perpetual than I first thought.

Hang in there!

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

The Ancient High Priests Prayer:


http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/the-ancient-high-priests-prayer/

 

[Que]

According to the scholars and historians and the early paintings of Christ, I think that it is reasonable to believe that it was at least shoulder length. But that isn't long by the cultural standards of His day. I can give my opinion if I want on the matter. No one had buzz cuts back in Christ's day. Clippers hadn't been invented yet. From what I understand the Bible is pretty silent on the actual length of Christ's hair, but that doesn't mean that we can't know by other sources.

That did not begin to address the actual question.

 

[Que]

You, your harlot sister, and all the rest of the Bubble Gum Christian Machine bubbliever gang consider those words as a blanket to cover the sin you continue to choose to do...

...just because you proclaim, I believe! I believe!

Yet, any logical human must deduce that if you are still willfully participating in sin, it most certainly does have dominion over you, which automatically excludes you from being under grace, because if you were under grace, sin could not hold such dominion over you.

You do understand that God made logic, too, right?

Or, would you prefer to evangelize that anyone who is saved, who has been spiritually born again a completely new person with the Spirit of Christ now as the very Life within them, their old person having been crucified on the Cross with the Christ...

...can't help but willfully be under the dominion of sin just like their old self was, too?

Tell me, padre: did Lucifer believe in God?

I missed this exchange at the time. Very well put.

In the gospel of the movie, "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?" there is this great exchange between Everett and Delmar following the latter's baptism.

Delmar is quite excited that his sins have been washed away and remarks, "including that Piggly Wiggly that I held up!"

Everett points out the Del Mar's had said that he was innocent of that crime. Delmar thinks about it a moment and says, "Well I was lying but that sin was washed away too!"

Missing was any sense of contrition or any idea that he ought to make restitution of the money.

Even those that insist Christ's grace is sufficient for the weakest, least sincere penitents among us (it is) it bothers me that they maintain that such considerations are unimportant.

If the gospel of Christ does not make us better men in this life what would the point of the life to come be?

The idea that a bunch of people sitting around on a cloud somewhere who have been saved *in* their sins with all of their appetites and habits intact seems more than off.

Not that one could repay such a gift but we should one be grateful enough about such a gift to want to try?

 

[ishtat]

According to the scholars and historians and the early paintings of Christ, I think that it is reasonable to believe that it was at least shoulder length. But that isn't long by the cultural standards of His day. I can give my opinion if I want on the matter. No one had buzz cuts back in Christ's day. Clippers hadn't been invented yet. From what I understand the Bible is pretty silent on the actual length of Christ's hair, but that doesn't mean that we can't know by other sources.

The earliest depiction of JC in a painting or drawing dates from 240 AD in a Syrian church and shows him with short hair, clean shaven and dark skinned (black by American standards)

The first depiction of him with long hair dates from about 325 AD but that did not become the norm until after 600 AD in the Eastern Mediterranean. All depictions of JC in Western Europe before 1000 Ad show short hair and usually no beard.

The cultural standards of JC's day that you refer to would indicate short hair in the Roman Empire and areas influenced by Greek culture and longer hair in the Persian and Parthian empires, so liklihood is JC had a short hair do.

Many of the earliest depictions were drawn from the example of Egypt. The most famous of all was the 'Pieta' (of Mary and JC) which was of course a direct copy of the common depiction of the Egyptian goddess Isis and her son Horus or resurrected husband Osiris.

 

[Tryharder62]

I missed this exchange at the time. Very well put.

In the gospel of the movie, "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?" there is this great exchange between Everett and Delmar following the latter's baptism.

Delmar is quite excited that his sins have been washed away and remarks, "including that Piggly Wiggly that I held up!"

Everett points out the Del Mar's had said that he was innocent of that crime. Delmar thinks about it a moment and says, "Well I was lying but that sin was washed away too!"

Missing was any sense of contrition or any idea that he ought to make restitution of the money.

Even those that insist Christ's grace is sufficient for the weakest, least sincere penitents among us (it is) it bothers me that they maintain that such considerations are unimportant.

If the gospel of Christ does not make us better men in this life what would the point of the life to come be?

The idea that a bunch of people sitting around on a cloud somewhere who have been saved *in* their sins with all of their appetites and habits intact seems more than off.

Not that one could repay such a gift but we should one be grateful enough about such a gift to want to try?

Well if eyerlives speaks than I am the Harlot sister. I suppose there are people like in that movie. The thing is God can see the true intentions of the heart. Just going through the motions isn't going to cut it. I agree with you that the gospel of Christ should make us better people.

The flip side is true though. I can tell you I love my kids and no matter what they do I will always love them. Sometimes their choices don't make me happy but I will always be their mother and claim them as my own. I try to be perfect to do everything right but sometimes I mess up. I don't do it intentionally but the fact is I do make mistakes. It is comforting to me that God may not like it but he will claim me as his own because I believe in what He did for us on the cross. Trying to be perfect is exhausting. I think you have to look at the intentions of the heart as only God can.

I won't rob the Piggly Wiggly though.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

The earliest depiction of JC in a painting or drawing dates from 240 AD in a Syrian church and shows him with short hair, clean shaven and dark skinned (black by American standards)

And if that's true, then so be it.

The first depiction of him with long hair dates from about 325 AD but that did not become the norm until after 600 AD in the Eastern Mediterranean. All depictions of JC in Western Europe before 1000 Ad show short hair and usually no beard.

Interesting. I will have to look into that.

The cultural standards of JC's day that you refer to would indicate short hair in the Roman Empire and areas influenced by Greek culture and longer hair in the Persian and Parthian empires, so liklihood is JC had a short hair do.

I have heard otherwise, but you could be right.

Many of the earliest depictions were drawn from the example of Egypt. The most famous of all was the 'Pieta' (of Mary and JC) which was of course a direct copy of the common depiction of the Egyptian goddess Isis and her son Horus or resurrected husband Osiris.

Jesus didn't come from Horus. That myth has been debunked many times over. Most of the claims of horus doing the same things as Jesus are simply made up out of thin air. They are not actually in any of the writings of horus.

My response is in bold above

 

[ishtat]

Sources are hard to locate for early representations partly because the Byzantine Church on orders from the Emperor Leo was officially iconoclastic from 725 until 840 AD. Later the Orthodox church tried to pretend that the Muslims had defaced many of the images but generally they were defaced by church authorities of the time. Protestant iconoclasm dates from the 16th century; therefore the imagery of JC in Western minds is mostly derived from medaevil Roman Catholic statuary and paintings.

I did not suggest that JC was derived from Horus/Isis merely the representation in statues and paintings. In fact there are many other examples of Pagan art being converted for Christian usage , for example the Iberian "Black Madonnas." If you are interested in the development of Religious art and Imagery, try reading "The myth of the Godddess -Evolution of an Image" by Anne Baring and Jules Cashford.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll if you haven't yet.

 

[Que]

Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll if you haven't yet.

Why would anyone need to?

If they accepted Christ, he would know that and would not need to refer to your poll to number his followers

Unless you were needing to bask in the refkectied glory. . .

 

[BobBalouski]

Missing was any sense of contrition or any idea that he ought to make restitution of the money.

I do not know of the possibility, nor of any event of it ever happening, that any one is forgiven without first repenting; ie, one cannot possibly walk with God until one first turns totally around from where they were going/what they were doing to at least fully face God, first (the first step in repentance, it seems to me).

For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.

James 1:23-25

Cooly, the only practical references* in the Bible to being "religious" and to "religion" itself, follow immediately:

If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless. Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

James 1:26-27

A heavenly awesome thing about the invention of the printing press was it presented the first opportunity in world history for any degree of common man to actually read the Bible her/himself (although those "common" folk who could actually read then were very rare, too), instead of having it ONLY read to them ONLY by sanctioned representatives of the totally statist Church...

Every one of us reading James 1:26-27 above can clearly see for ourselves precisely and ONLY what the Word of God tells the entire human race EQUALLY about "religious" and "religion". Isn't it basically and unbelievably amazing that so many godly-wannabe bozos have fooled so many of us otherwise? Perhaps xosysedaminxtvsut can learn us all about what the Word warns those who add or subtract from its Will?

After the Nazarene was baptized and entered 40 days of his own temptation with absolute evil, he didn't preach to Lucifer, he didn't try to save him or teach him or correct him: he simply quoted the Word of God to him verbatim - nothing less, nothing more.

Revere God's Word, don't puss out and succumb to evil, and evil can't do a friggin' thing to you.

Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

James 4-7

Deftly dealing with an obstacle we all know so well (whether we all understand it as such an obstacle, or not), the Nazarene was then fully free to wander around for a few years, mooching off of many, jobless, a wino just trying to teach a few humans vital parts at least enough to make a lasting, memorable impression on the rest of human history, and in order to then complete his Good News mission work by defeating the ultimate ruler of this entire world: death, itself.

Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.

Hebrews 2-14:15

Alas, this secular world is still Death's to physically command as no one, no how, escapes it alive. But, yet...

O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:55-57

Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?” Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

James 14:5-6

* different secular translations - which seems there are millions of today - probably sprinkle the words "religious" and "religion" like salt and pepper throughout their servings - I know seemingly like billions of wannabe preachers matter-of-factly do.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Discovery of ancient church linked to early Christians in Turkey

http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/discover...rly-christians-in-turkey/#xJhtwGJqxR3gKdFZ.99