Government shutdown over illegals?

[WoundedKnee]

I changed it to "vote generation" conspiracy. I do believe the Democrat immigration stance is a vote generation conspiracy.

It's the word itself. A conspiracy is not out in the open.

 

[Rightguide]

The automatic response to a statement like that is, "THOSE PEOPLE PAY TAXES!!!" What, does that give them more integrity than Al Capone?

They don't tell you this either:


73 percent of DACA recipients surveyed live in a low-income household (defined as qualifying for free lunch in high school);

22 percent have earned a degree from a four-year college or university;

20 percent have dropped out of high school;*

20 percent have no education beyond high school and no plans to attend college;

59 percent obtained a new job with a DACA work permit, but only 45 percent increased their overall earnings; and

36 percent have a parent who holds a bachelor's degree.

https://cis.org/Vaughan/Research-Dreamers-Contradicts-Public-Image

 

[Que]

I can't be bothered to read through this whole thread, but did anyone point out that the answer to this thread title is "No".

The main sticking point of the spending agreement was DACA recipients. DACA recipients are not "illegals".
They had a promise from the government of the US that they had a path to citizenship and so permission from the US government to remain in the US. That means they are here legally.

The had no promise of any sort from "the government." There was an illegal executive order suspending faithfull execution of the law for a subset of illegal aliens. No "path to citizenship" was promised or even outlined.

It (illegally) promised only to "defer action" meaning lawfull action against their illegal presence here was to be deferred 'till later. It's later.

The only pathway contemplated was to kick the can down the road, give them some audacious hope and then try to guilt the country into making legal the very thing that Obama himself said would be illegal for him to do on his own.

Like with all amnesty efforts before, give an inch and the Democrats take a mile. In this case Trump's already offered twice the DACA amount and that isn't good enough so if they vote against the quite reasonable Republican-led proposal, goodbye to their new voters. They think they can guilt the country into increasing Democrat voter rolls. That's all this was ever about.

Same crap that goes into the farm bill let's bloat this thing up endlessly because of school lunches for children.

 

[Queefer]

Those Mexicans are good at unloading trucks so naturally AJ feels threatened.

 

[bellisarius]

Whereas Queerer ^^^^^ being securely unemployed feels no threat at all.

 

[Queefer]

Whereas Queerer ^^^^^ being securely unemployed feels no threat at all.

Wrong. I have a good job and I'm my own boss. Besides, not many Mexicans with a fitter 1 license up here so there's not much competition from them.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

And that is a graphic example as to why you are thought of as a pathetic piece of shit by many here.

No, it's an example of you thinking the rules don't apply to you and resorting to name calling when other people point out your entitlement.

 

[WoundedKnee]

I think that you are a pathetic piece of shit because you rarely address the topic and have nothing to add to any conversation unless it is of the "this is how much I hate Trump/Republicans/Conservatives/you" variety.

 

[bellisarius]

That and being a fucking tattletale. "Mommy, Ish didn't put a period at the end of his sentence." "Mommy, Ish is using too many comma's again." "Mommy....................."

 

[about_average]

The answer to your post is that they ARE illegals and no path to citizenship was EVER promised in the EO that Obama issued. The regulations regarding that EO can be found in post #26 in this thread.

They became illegals on the day they reached their majority. That's the law sparky.

They have protected status, making it legal for them remain in the US and can't be deported provided they keep up their end of the bargain. That's the way it is sparky, no matter how much you hate it.

 

[Hypoxia]

They have protected status, making it legal for them remain in the US and can't be deported provided they keep up their end of the bargain. That's the way it is sparky, no matter how much you hate it.

And undocumented status is a civil violation, not criminal. Is every traffic ticket a criminal warrant? Then USA is a thug nation.

 

[about_average]

And undocumented status is a civil violation, not criminal. Is every traffic ticket a criminal warrant? Then USA is a thug nation.

Well, DACA people aren't undocumented, they had to register to take part in the program.

 

[Rightguide]

Whereas Queerer ^^^^^ being securely unemployed feels no threat at all.

Every once in a while he gets a gig when two lovers decide they want to giggle while fucking.

 

[Luk]

Every once in a while he gets a gig when two lovers decide they want to giggle while fucking.

lolwut

 

[William_James]

I think that you are a pathetic piece of shit because you rarely address the topic and have nothing to add to any conversation unless it is of the "this is how much I hate Trump/Republicans/Conservatives/you" variety.

I think that you are a pathetic (and racist) piece of shit because you bitch about your wife on a porn board.

 

[Rightguide]

The answer to your post is that they ARE illegals and no path to citizenship was EVER promised in the EO that Obama issued. The regulations regarding that EO can be found in post #26 in this thread.

They became illegals on the day they reached their majority. That's the law sparky.

Remember, he's only "about average" so being a bit below standard it's hard for him to comprehend reality.

Obama's EO and all it represented is not the law, nor does it have the force of law. It was found to be unconstitutional by the 5th Circuit a decision that was left standing by the SCOTUS.

 

[Luk]

I think that you are a pathetic (and racist) piece of shit because you bitch about your wife on a porn board.

AJ thinks that changing the subject to him whining about something off-topic contributes to the thread, the Lit.

 

[about_average]

bama's EO and all it represented is not the law, nor does it have the force of law. It was found to be unconstitutional by the 5th Circuit a decision that was left standing by the SCOTUS.

You need to do some more research so you don't look so ignorant.

 

[Rightguide]

You need to do some more research so you don't look so ignorant.

As the Fifth Circuit stated, the fact that Obama declined to enforce the law and remove illegal aliens "does not transform presence deemed unlawful by Congress into lawful presence and confer eligibility for otherwise unavailable benefits based on that change."

 

[JohnnySavage]

As the Fifth Circuit stated, the fact that Obama declined to enforce the law and remove illegal aliens "does not transform presence deemed unlawful by Congress into lawful presence and confer eligibility for otherwise unavailable benefits based on that change."

Texas v. United States dealt with DAPA, not DACA.

 

[Luk]

You need to do some more research so you don't look so ignorant.

Texas v. United States dealt with DAPA, not DACA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Texas

United States v. Texas, 579 U.S. ___ (2016), is a United States Supreme Court case regarding the constitutionality of the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) program.

In a one-line per curiam decision, an equally divided Court affirmed the lower-court injunction blocking the President's program. The case had been decided by an eight-member bench due to the death of Justice Antonin Scalia.

Point goes to Team Johnny Average

 

[richard_daily]

I think that you are a pathetic (and racist) piece of shit because you bitch about your wife on a porn board.

He claims he's no longer married.

Looks like he got the LT treatment.

 

[Luk]

He claims he's no longer married.

You get what you pay for.

 

[Rightguide]

Texas v. United States dealt with DAPA, not DACA.

Yep, but it suffers the same Constitutional infirmities as DAPA, Congress has plenary power to grant amnesty, not the Executive.

As law professor Jonathan Turley explained, "If a president can claim sweeping discretion to suspend key federal laws, the entire legislative process becomes little more than a pretense."

Jeff Session was quite correct when he said, in regard to DACA, that the, "compassionate thing is to end the lawlessness, enforce our laws, and, if Congress chooses to make changes to those laws, to do so through the process set forth by our Founders in a way that advances the interests of the nation."

 

[contrifan32]

Wrong. I have a good job and I'm my own boss. Besides, not many Mexicans with a fitter 1 license up here so there's not much competition from them.

A gay, non union pipe fitter? Interesting