Climate continues to change.

[Hypoxia]

https://apnews.com/488c25b18b634998...vels,-coral-bleaching-getting-worse-in-oceans

It's obvious. Climate-change deniers are genocidal sociopaths intent on destroying life on Earth, not as a serious policy, but just for fun. Y'all gonna die anyway so why wait? Party hearty and fuck the future. The future doesn't exist so why worry?

For threatening my babies, unborn and unnamed,
You ain't worth the blood that runs in your veins
--B.Dylan​

Sociopaths are not innocent bystanders.

 

[trysail]

...On November 19, 2009, an internal whistle-blower or hacker downloaded more than 1,000 documents and e-mails from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at East Anglia University (United Kingdom)... these documents were soon accessed by websites around the world.

These e-mails were a subset of confidential communications between top climate scientists in the UK, the United States, and other nations over a 15-year period. Those involved developed surface temperature data sets, promoted the “Hockey Stick” curve, and wrote or edited the core of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) assessment reports to that time.

The incident was branded “Climategate” by British columnist James Delingpole. These e-mails provide an insight into practices that fall somewhere between bad science and fraudulent science. Bias, data manipulation, dodging freedom of information requests, and efforts to subvert the peer-review process were uncovered.

Some of the more salient quotations follow:


Man-Made Warming Controversy

“I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards ‘apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data’ but in reality the situation is not quite so simple.”

—Dr. Keith Briffa, Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Sep. 22, 1999.
​

“Keith’s [Briffa] series…differs in large part in exactly the opposite direction that Phil’s [Jones] does from ours. This is the problem we all picked up on (everyone in the room at IPCC was in agreement that this was a problem and a potential distraction/detraction from the reasonably consensus viewpoint we’d like to show w/ the Jones et al and Mann et al series).”

—Dr. Michael Mann, IPCC Lead Author, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Sep. 22, 1999.​

“…it would be nice to try to ‘contain’ the putative ‘MWP’ [Medieval Warm Period]…”

—Dr. Michael Mann, IPCC Lead Author, disclosed Climategate e-mail, June 4, 2003​

“By the way, when is Tom C [Crowley] going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.”

—Dr. Michael Mann, IPCC Lead Author, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Aug. 3, 2004.
​

“I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she thinks she’s doing, but it’s not helping the cause, or her professional credibility.”

—Dr. Michael Mann, IPCC Lead Author, disclosed Climategate e-mail, May 30, 2008
​

“Well, I have my own article on where the heck is global warming… The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

—Dr. Kevin Trenberth, IPCC Lead Author, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Oct. 12, 2009.
​

Manipulating Temperature Data

“I’ve just completed Mike’s [Mann] Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e. from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s [Briffa] to hide the decline.”

—Dr. Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Nov. 16, 1999.
​

“Also we have applied a completely artificial adjustment to the data after 1960, so they look closer to observed temperatures than the tree-ring data actually were….”

—Dr. Tim Osborn, Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Dec. 20, 2006.
​

“If you look at the attached plot you will see that the land also shows the 1940s warming blip (as I’m sure you know). So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say 0.15 deg C, then this would be significant for the global mean—but we’d still have to explain the land blip….”

—Dr. Tom Wigley, University Corporation for Atmospheric Research, on adjusting global temperature data, disclosed Climategate e-mail to Phil Jones, Sep. 28, 2008.
​

“We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data.”

—Climatic Research Unit web site, the world’s leading provider of global temperature data, admitting that it can’t produce the original thermometer data, 2011.​

Data Suppression; Freedom of Information (FOI) Avoidance

“We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try to find something wrong with it.”

—Dr. Phil Jones, Director of the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University, email to Warwick Hughes, 2004.​

“I’m getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU station temperature data. Don’t any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act.”

—Dr. Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Feb. 21, 2005.
​

“Mike [Mann], can you delete any e-mails you may have had with Keith [Trenberth] re AR4? Keith will do likewise…. Can you also e-mail Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his e-mail address…. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.”

—Dr. Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, May 29, 2008.
​

“You might want to check with the IPCC Bureau. I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 [the upcoming IPCC Fifth Assessment Report] would be to delete all e-mails at the end of the process. Hard to do, as not everybody will remember it.”

—Dr. Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, on avoiding Freedom of Information requirements, disclosed Climategate e-mail, May 12, 2009.​

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Subverting the Peer-Review Process

“I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin [Trenberth] and I will keep them out somehow, even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!”

—Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, July 8, 2004.​

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“Climategate was a turning point,” Professor Judith Curry remembered, where “pronouncements from the IPCC were no longer sufficient.”



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[WoundedKnee]

You're arguing with Bill Nye, the Science Guy, and professional Psychiatrist. You can never win over the mind of the board's Paracelsus.

 

[William_James]

Global Warming’s Worst-Case Projections Look Increasingly Likely

Global warming’s worst-case projections look increasingly likely, according to a new study that tested the predictive power of climate models against observations of how the atmosphere is actually behaving.

The paper, published on Wednesday in Nature, found that global temperatures could rise nearly 5 °C by the end of the century under the the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s steepest prediction for greenhouse-gas concentrations. That’s 15 percent hotter than the previous estimate. The odds that temperatures will increase more than 4 degrees by 2100 in this so-called “business as usual” scenario increased from 62 percent to 93 percent, according to the new analysis.

IMO, increasing the likelihood of worst case scenarios increases the likelihood of implementing geoengineering. The twenty-first century should be the century civilization took deliberate control over climate systems.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Good Lord. We see the same story every other year and the storyline hasn't change in fucking decades: We only have a few years left before the sky starts to fall.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Get back to us when Soylent Yellow is introduced to the market to take the place of all the food that is no longer available.

 

[Luk]

Good Lord. We see the same story every other year and the storyline hasn't change in fucking decades: We only have a few years left before the sky starts to fall.

I like this version of AJ. He cusses and gets to his point (though still often wrong) a lot quicker.

Get back to us when Soylent Yellow is introduced to the market to take the place of all the food that is no longer available.

And I kinda miss the old dumbfuck AJ who is willfully uninformed.

https://www.soylent.com/products/

 

[phrodeau]

Australia's now getting their second extreme heat wave of the year.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/01/28/fire-danger-temperatures-sa-victoria-soar

But hey, it was hotter forty million years ago, so who needs to care?

Sydney Australia broke heat records earlier this week. Only one week after the end of winter.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/09/30/09/13/sydney-scorcher-set-to-smash-september-record

No kidding. It's over 70 degrees in Sydney Australia today, way above average.

Freak heatwave hits Australia.

Yesterday's high in Sydney was 117 degrees, with more extreme heat in the forecast.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-42595180

The Australian city of Sydney has experienced its hottest weather in 79 years with temperatures in the region hitting as high as 47.3C (117F).

Several blazes had already been recorded on Saturday, and a number of properties were destroyed in the states of Victoria and South Australia.

In September 2017, Australians were warned to prepare for a dangerous bushfire season after one of the driest winters on record.

More than 200 weather records were broken across Australia between December 2016 and February 2017, with heatwaves, bushfires and flooding throughout the country's summer season.

 

[Luk]

The shittiest part of climate change is having to survive the planet with the idiot deniers.

 

[Hypoxia]

The shittiest part of climate change is having to survive the planet with the idiot deniers.

Give deniers luxury beachfront bungalows in Palau. But no canoes. How long can they tread water?

 

[Que]

The shittiest part of waiting for The Rapture is having to survive the planet with the idiot deniers of Christ.

Changing nouns changes your post not at all.

Lots of you religious zealots are awfully intolerant.

 

[Que]

Yesterday's high in Sydney was 117 degrees, with more extreme heat in the forecast.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-42595180

As I maintain, cold weather is just weather, hot weather is "evidence" of climate change.

Thanks for being consistantly inconsistant.

 

[phrodeau]

As I maintain, cold weather is just weather, hot weather is "evidence" of climate change.

Thanks for being consistantly inconsistant.

Two spelling errors. Thanks for being consistent.

 

[Luk]

Changing nouns changes your post not at all.

Lots of you religious zealots are awfully intolerant.

You're denying something that is right in front of your cake-hole. Damn fucking right I'm intolerant of that ignorance and flat-out stupidity.

Why aren't you?

 

[Que]

Two spelling errors. Thanks for being consistent.

Spelling and grammar nazism, the Godwin's Law of pedants. Glad I could provide a fig leaf to assauge your bruised ego.

You never have answered why you chose this field to appoint yourself an expert in, when you clearly have no facility for math or science.

 

[Que]

You're denying something that is right in front of your cake-hole. Damn fucking right I'm intolerant of that ignorance and flat-out stupidity.

Why aren't you?

What am I denying that is it that is "right in front of my cake-hole?"

Be specific.

 

[Luk]

You never have answered why you chose this field to appoint yourself an expert in, when you clearly have no facility for math or science.

I couldn't find a mirror.jpg large enough to respond to this pist.

 

[Que]

I couldn't find a mirror.jpg large enough to respond to this pist.

Oh?

Why do you say that?

Be specific.

 

[Luk]

What am I denying that is it that is "right in front of my cake-hole?"

Be specific.

Oh?

Why do you say that?

Be specific.

Actually, you're right. You're too much of a coward to actually take a stance so you wade aimlessly in the middle relying on others to speak for you.

My apologies.

 

[Que]

Actually, you're right. You're too much of a coward to actually take a stance so you wade aimlessly in the middle relying on others to speak for you.

My apologies.

Project, much?

I have been quite specific on my stance on climate change. You would know that if you actually read the thread for understanding instead of every once in awhile popping in here so that people will think that you're actually smart because you "know" that "climate change" is "real."

You don't even Worship in Frodo's church and you don't know any of the hymns. You can't even hum the tune.

What is actually at debate is man's influence on climate change. Climate is always changing. We are warming and have been warming since the last ice age. The only issue is the are we warming at a more rapid pace and to what extent does man's influence on his environment affect that temperature. None of that is actually known despite what Frodo "knows" and what you think you know because you know that all the smart people know that anyone who denies what the smart people say is a "denier" and not as smart as those that "know" that which is being investigated, but not actually "known."

Some things that have been looked at and hypothesized (so far) show no apparent correlation. For example CO2 concentrations and temperature outside of a lab in the actual atmosphere. Some things do correlate, like city heat islands caused by man-made surfaces gathering and holding heat from the sun.

Hope that helps.

 

[phrodeau]

Spelling and grammar nazism, the Godwin's Law of pedants. Glad I could provide a fig leaf to assauge your bruised ego.

You never have answered why you chose this field to appoint yourself an expert in, when you clearly have no facility for math or science.

Please return to this thread when you can provide valid scientific or mathematical arguments.

 

[Que]

Please return to this thread when you can provide valid scientific or mathematical arguments.

Are you going to start offering any, or displaying any understanding of the flawed "science" you post?

Your "evidence" has the same flavor and persuasive qualities as the other Frodo's alarmist thread. neither of you have succeeded in persuading me that I have a hot place in my future.

You both absolutely ignore valid counter arguments and only post those things that tend to support your point of view.

It's a religion, and you are both selling fear.

 

[Queefer]

Please return to this thread when you can provide valid scientific or mathematical arguments.

Queefy doesn't need facts to back his idiocy!

 

[phrodeau]

Are you going to start offering any, or displaying any understanding of the flawed "science" you post?

Your "evidence" has the same flavor and persuasive qualities as the other Frodo's alarmist thread. neither of you have succeeded in persuading me that I have a hot place in my future.

You both absolutely ignore valid counter arguments and only post those things that tend to support your point of view.

It's a religion, and you are both selling fear.

If you aren't persuaded by evidence-based scientific reasoning, how do you know that there are any valid counter arguments?

 

[Luk]

What is actually at debate is man's influence on climate change. Climate is always changing. We are warming and have been warming since the last ice age.

There, I made your pist make sense so you don't look like a cowardly contradictory fool.

You're welcome