How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[xfrodobagginsx]

I did read the bible. That's how I know that I am certainly not under the law:

Ro 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
Ga 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Ga 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Ga 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Ga 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[phrodeau]

I did read the bible. That's how I know that I am certainly not under the law:

Ro 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
Ga 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Ga 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Ga 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Ga 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Jesus would disagree.

 

[jaF0]

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You should see a Doctor about that before your brain falls out of your ear.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Jesus would disagree.

Since Jesus is the one who gave the revelations to Paul, Jesus wouldn't disagree. Those are the words of Jesus through Paul.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

You should see a Doctor about that before your brain falls out of your ear.

Was artificially put into my quote...

 

[phrodeau]

Since Jesus is the one who gave the revelations to Paul, Jesus wouldn't disagree. Those are the words of Jesus through Paul.

That's what Paul claims. What Jesus actually said was different.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Hypoxia]

Since Jesus is the one who gave the revelations to Paul, Jesus wouldn't disagree. Those are the words of Jesus through Paul.

Followers cite their leaders, quote them, use their words to make their case. Saul/Paul, the torturer and death-squad leader who founded Xianity, often said, "In Jesus' name..." -- but he never quoted him. Because he'd never heard him. Because he had no idea of Jesus' message. Because he was a bullshit artist. That's why Jesus' close followers never accepted Saul/Paul. They saw him as the Roman agent he was.

You can follow Saul/Paul or you can follow Jesus. You can't do both.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

That's what Paul claims. What Jesus actually said was different.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Paul received His instructions from Jesus after the Jews rejected their King and after His resurrection. Jesus was ministering to the Jews who were still under the law, Paul was ministering to the gentiles who were under grace. God deals with man differently at different times. Remember that the 12 disciples were chosen of Jesus Christ Himself and they approved of Paul's ministry.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Followers cite their leaders, quote them, use their words to make their case. Saul/Paul, the torturer and death-squad leader who founded Xianity, often said, "In Jesus' name..." -- but he never quoted him. Because he'd never heard him. Because he had no idea of Jesus' message. Because he was a bullshit artist. That's why Jesus' close followers never accepted Saul/Paul. They saw him as the Roman agent he was.

You can follow Saul/Paul or you can follow Jesus. You can't do both.

Paul didn't found Christianity, Jesus Christ did.

Jesus said:

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. {Peter: this name signifies a rock}

Paul quoted Jesus:

https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/25729/does-paul-ever-actually-quote-jesus-anywhere

The Disciples of Jesus DID accept Paul and His writings:

Peter Writes:

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

A History Of Christian Martyrdom through the ages. Foxes Book Of Martyrs:

http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/home.html

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Jesus' worst fault was lack of humor. Of which his Father manifestly has plenty, even if it often manifests in sick and sadistic forms.

Jesus didn't come to entertain us. He came to save us. It's not time to joke around. God the Father is one with Jesus and to call Him sick and sadistic is a blasphemous statement. You had better watch yourself.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Agreed.

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[xfrodobagginsx]

Are you going to Heaven?

Yes. Are you?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Proof From Archaeology



http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CANONIZED (CAME TO BE) PART 1 AUTOMATICALLY MERGES INTO PART 2

WHOLE VIDEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_bbXRVS5JY

 

[jaF0]

Dude, why are you so hung up on this stupid fantasy?

You might want to see Psychiatric help.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Dude, why are you so hung up on this stupid fantasy?

You might want to see Psychiatric help.

It's not a fantasy. Why not take the time to explore the evidence that I am giving? Look into it for yourself. See for yourself that I am bringing you the truth.

 

[colddiesel]

Wanking and abortion

Nowhere in the Bible is aborting an unborn foetus banned - or even considered. There are no rules banning masturbation either so xfrodowhatisname should be ok.

 

[jaF0]

It's not a fantasy. Why not take the time to explore the evidence that I am giving?

Your 'evidence' is a book of fictional short stories written by fools drunk on bad wine.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Nowhere in the Bible is aborting an unborn foetus banned - or even considered. There are no rules banning masturbation either so xfrodowhatisname should be ok.

Yes aborting an unborn baby is covered in the Bible.

Ex 21:22 ¶ If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

As far as masturbation goes, lusting after a woman who is not your wife is covered in the Bible.

Jesus said:

Mt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

[jaF0]

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He's waiting for YOU!

 

[phrodeau]

Yes aborting an unborn baby is covered in the Bible.

Ex 21:22 ¶ If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

As far as masturbation goes, lusting after a woman who is not your wife is covered in the Bible.

Jesus said:

Mt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

We covered this five pages ago.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=86824406#post86824406

Then last week, you claimed that you weren't under that law any more. Why should people who get abortions be under that law when you aren't?

 

[phrodeau]

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He's waiting for YOU!

Is that the devil from TRON?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Your 'evidence' is a book of fictional short stories written by fools drunk on bad wine.

Not fictional stories. You need to do more research on the history of the Bible. Jesus fulfilled hundreds of prophecies in His first coming, written in the Bible hundreds of years before His birth. That's how King Herod knew that He was born because of the Bible. Think about that.

 

[ishtat]

Yes aborting an unborn baby is covered in the Bible.

Ex 21:22 ¶ If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

As far as masturbation goes, lusting after a woman who is not your wife is covered in the Bible.

Jesus said:

Mt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The passage at Exodus 21 22 does not refer to abortion at all but to accidental miscarriage - not the same at all as there is no pre-meditation. Further the death of the foetus itself is not punishable but only the material damage to the husbands possession - his woman.

Matthew 28 is not relevant to masturbation, nor for that matter is the story of Onan which is often cited. He of course merely engaged in coitus interruptus.

So you have biblical authority to either abort or not abort any child you might sire on your sister (Abraham?) - your choice.

Your other choice might be to reconsider offering biblical quotations to lend spurious support your opinions, because there are plenty of contradictions and alternatives to consider.

Suggest you might care to read "The Bible Now" by Richard Friedman and Shawna Dolansky. It deals with many contemporary social issues and how biblical teachings are used and abused to support and oppose these issues. Written by a Presbyterian minister and a Jewish Scholar it makes some interesting observations.