Gender Identity/ Sexual Orientation

[Fala]

My husband wrote this. A good read.

Over the years, I've seen many books, sermons, letters, shows, etc. filled with ignorance and misogyny when it come to kids who feel born with the opposite gender body or sexual orientation from that which is taught as 'culturally acceptable'. Sexuality is a confusing issue to most people; but, forcing change through denial, "re-education", beatings, ostracism, etc. has rarely worked and, often, led to suicide, estrangement, or other equally bad outcomes.

Science is beginning to see the truth how our neonatal brains influence our sexual identity and sexual orientation. If you know someone who has been through this, you know it is not a matter of 'personal choice'. Please share this scientific article and know that the person shares no guilt in why they are who they are. You just have to love them for who they are.

From Frontiers in Neuroendocrinology's article titled "Sexual differentiation of the human brain: Relation to gender identity, sexual orientation and neuropsychiatric disorders". The highlights of the research state, "► Gender identity and sexual orientation are permanently programmed in the fetal brain. ► Testosterone in the fetal stage determines sexual differentiation of the human brain. ► The degree of genital masculinization does not necessarily reflect that of the brain. ► No evidence indicates social environment affect gender identity or sexual orientation. ► Sex differences in the brain determine sex-specific prevalence of brain disorders."

Here is a link to the abstract on the research,

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091302211000252

 

[Fala]

My husband wrote this. A good read.

Over the years, I've seen many books, sermons, letters, shows, etc. filled with ignorance and misogyny when it come to kids who feel born with the opposite gender body or sexual orientation from that which is taught as 'culturally acceptable'. Sexuality is a confusing issue to most people; but, forcing change through denial, "re-education", beatings, ostracism, etc. has rarely worked and, often, led to suicide, estrangement, or other equally bad outcomes.

Science is beginning to see the truth how our neonatal brains influence our sexual identity and sexual orientation. If you know someone who has been through this, you know it is not a matter of 'personal choice'. Please share this scientific article and know that the person shares no guilt in why they are who they are. You just have to love them for who they are.

From Frontiers in Neuroendocrinology's article titled "Sexual differentiation of the human brain: Relation to gender identity, sexual orientation and neuropsychiatric disorders". The highlights of the research state, "► Gender identity and sexual orientation are permanently programmed in the fetal brain. ► Testosterone in the fetal stage determines sexual differentiation of the human brain. ► The degree of genital masculinization does not necessarily reflect that of the brain. ► No evidence indicates social environment affect gender identity or sexual orientation. ► Sex differences in the brain determine sex-specific prevalence of brain disorders."

Here is a link to the abstract on the research,

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091302211000252

Despite the take on how my husband feels and believes....I believe the MONSANTO Company is responsible for the hormonal problems in so many of our kids these days.

Why do we have parent's embattled with school districts over which bathroom their child can use? We're talking about kids in the 1st grade here folks.

WTF is going on? First of all, we need to wipe out these chemicals that are damaging our kids.

Hormonal issues can do so much damage to our kids. Get involved. Just STOP IT.

 

[Matthew Craig]

You're talking about like 1% of the population here. Maybe 2% for those who fall for the "i'm gay" or "i'm trans" fad.

Yet everyday it's shoved in my face by the media..

 

[Fala]

You're talking about like 1% of the population here. Maybe 2% for those who fall for the "i'm gay" or "i'm trans" fad.

Yet everyday it's shoved in my face by the media..

No, Matthew Craig...honestly, my granddaughter's high school...it's a specialized school for the highest academics.

A HUGE population of this schools kids are transgender. I'm not kidding. There are 16 year old girls wanting their breasts removed.

I'm shocked. I NEVER saw anything like this back in my day.

Something's going on here. Seriously, read about the Monsanto Company and how their chemicals are affecting the hormones of a huge population of kids in this country.

Don't you have a young'un now?

 

[Saint Peter]

Are we really talking about 1% of the population? Numbers are squishy. To dismiss the issue because it does not, or should not, affect enough people would be foolish. For years humans have tried to change, shame, discredit, shun, and vilify others because of sexual identity. We need to stop with that bullshit and accept that we are not all the same

My parents did not like my long hair and bell bottoms. They survived and so did I. If I had decided to wear makeup and a tutu home life would have been difficult. I feel fortunate that my sexual identity lines up with my junk. Life is fucked up enough. The time has come to let people be who they are and who they want to be.


Now pull those pants up so I do not have to look at your asscrack.

 

[hsnh]

"Toddlers as young as two should be taught about transgender issues, the National Union of Teachers (NUT) has said.
Delegates at the NUT’s annual conference in Cardiff called on its members to promote LGBT+ issues to children starting from nursery school."
www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/...ansgender-issues-national-union-teachers-say/

"A controversial new book called Can I Tell You About Gender Diversity? which is being introduced into some primary schools as a resource for children, parents and teachers, and claims to be the first book to explain “medical transitioning” to children as young as seven."
https://www.theguardian.com/society...sity-to-primary-school-children-sparks-furore


This, and they don't allocate sufficient resources to the umbrella issue that would automatically cover discrimination against trasgenders too: Bullying and cyberbullying in school. that are so commonplace nowadays.

 

[hsnh]

You're touching upon a phenomenon that started to interest and fascinate me ever since I joined the forum, Fala:
The strange white versus black, muslims and atheists versus christians, american feminists versus white american men, LGBT and trans versus 'bigots' splitting and emotional fights that one routinely sees in this forum or in massmedia.



The underlying mechanisms are similar:
People both think in symbols, subconsciously and their emotions are easier to manipulate,.

Edward Bernay, Freud's nephew was even paid big bucks to start an official psyop branch to help industrialists sell things to the public, or to push the reluctant American public into war in Europe.

I don't think that for them, it's about transgenders or other minority groups. They're trying to plant a symbolic association or message in people's subconscious.
That reliance on the traditional nuclear and extended family unit is bad? That Judeo Christianism or beliefs in a power bigger than the Big Brother are bad? Who the heck knows.

 

[Lancecastor]

MONSANTO invented transfats.

 

[richard_daily]

No, Matthew Craig...honestly, my granddaughter's high school...it's a specialized school for the highest academics.

A HUGE population of this schools kids are transgender. I'm not kidding. There are 16 year old girls wanting their breasts removed.

I'm shocked. I NEVER saw anything like this back in my day.

Something's going on here. Seriously, read about the Monsanto Company and how their chemicals are affecting the hormones of a huge population of kids in this country.

Don't you have a young'un now?

First off, you approach transgender as if it's a problem to be solved, which is problematic.

Next off, your premise is a huge leap in logic... Monsanto is a crappy corporation (like just about every corporation), but transgender kids have always been here. I went to high school with at least 3 that were out and that's decades ago.

Kids are more comfortable expressing who they are, and the concept of binary gender is a thing that will likely be mostly comprehended by folks of the next generation.

Older generations aren't going to get it, just like older segments of the population (and many countries) didn't get homosexuality.

I don't blame Monsanto for the rise in transgender, I blame religion. It's oppressed people and told them what they can be for centuries...

Transgender people have existed the entire time, they simply have been marginalized and pushed underground.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

My husband wrote this. A good read.

Over the years, I've seen many books, sermons, letters, shows, etc. filled with ignorance and misogyny when it come to kids who feel born with the opposite gender body or sexual orientation from that which is taught as 'culturally acceptable'. Sexuality is a confusing issue to most people; but, forcing change through denial, "re-education", beatings, ostracism, etc. has rarely worked and, often, led to suicide, estrangement, or other equally bad outcomes.

Science is beginning to see the truth how our neonatal brains influence our sexual identity and sexual orientation. If you know someone who has been through this, you know it is not a matter of 'personal choice'. Please share this scientific article and know that the person shares no guilt in why they are who they are. You just have to love them for who they are.

From Frontiers in Neuroendocrinology's article titled "Sexual differentiation of the human brain: Relation to gender identity, sexual orientation and neuropsychiatric disorders". The highlights of the research state, "► Gender identity and sexual orientation are permanently programmed in the fetal brain. ► Testosterone in the fetal stage determines sexual differentiation of the human brain. ► The degree of genital masculinization does not necessarily reflect that of the brain. ► No evidence indicates social environment affect gender identity or sexual orientation. ► Sex differences in the brain determine sex-specific prevalence of brain disorders."

Here is a link to the abstract on the research,

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091302211000252

Ask your husband which test or scan we can run on an infant brain that will tell us, for certain, what the adult's gender identity will be.

When he can give me that information, then I will consider his musings as actual science and not just a goal-orientated theory.

 

[Lancecastor]

First off, you approach transgender as if it's a problem to be solved, which is problematic.

Next off, your premise is a huge leap in logic... Monsanto is a crappy corporation (like just about every corporation), but transgender kids have always been here. I went to high school with at least 3 that were out and that's decades ago.

Kids are more comfortable expressing who they are, and the concept of binary gender is a thing that will likely be mostly comprehended by folks of the next generation.

Older generations aren't going to get it, just like older segments of the population (and many countries) didn't get homosexuality.

I don't blame Monsanto for the rise in transgender, I blame religion. It's oppressed people and told them what they can be for centuries...

Transgender people have existed the entire time, they simply have been marginalized and pushed underground.

Third paragraph's a typical dick failing pearl of wisdom.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I remember a time when a person from an older generation was looked upon as a person whom had accrued a bit of wisdom along the way. Now the only time that you are smart is clearly when you are a teenager or a younger adult who has never matured past a teenage mentality and view of how the world works.

 

[Lancecastor]

You're pretty spry for 137.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And a good shot.







Now, fetch me my jug from out by the cement pond...

 

[richard_daily]

I remember a time when a person from an older generation was looked upon as a person whom had accrued a bit of wisdom along the way. Now the only time that you are smart is clearly when you are a teenager or a younger adult who has never matured past a teenage mentality and view of how the world works.

It sounds like you used to have a pretty naive view of the world. Not much has changed. Sorry, but being old doesn't intrinsically mean that you've acquired any wisdom. If you're wise, you will speak with wisdom, and posting inane articles from american thinker isn't accomplishing that. So basically, you're just old. Maybe wisdom will find you someday, but it's still a long way away for you.

Hell, Killswitch is wiser than you are, and when Killswitch is doing a better job of self-discovery than you are, you know you're in trouble.

 

[hsnh]

First off, you approach transgender as if it's a problem to be solved, which is problematic.

Next off, your premise is a huge leap in logic... Monsanto is a crappy corporation (like just about every corporation), but transgender kids have always been here. I went to high school with at least 3 that were out and that's decades ago.

Kids are more comfortable expressing who they are, and the concept of binary gender is a thing that will likely be mostly comprehended by folks of the next generation.

Older generations aren't going to get it, just like older segments of the population (and many countries) didn't get homosexuality.

I don't blame Monsanto for the rise in transgender, I blame religion. It's oppressed people and told them what they can be for centuries...

Transgender people have existed the entire time, they simply have been marginalized and pushed underground.

There's that too. The stigma, discrimination and hate crimes against them are undeniable.
And there's clearly a biological component too.
So I don't subscribe to the concept that it's a "mental disorder". Just like people who believed that gay people were mentally ill and sent them to conversion therapy camps were wrong too.

But I believe that officials are tackling the issue in the wrong way.
Kids are by their nature impressionable. So many of those who thought they were the opposite sex eventually change their minds. And many adults are suggestible too, one has just to read of all the cases of people who were misdiagnosed.

If hormonal therapy didn't have so many bad side effects, perhaps I wouldn't take the whole PC trend so seriously.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Mayor DeBlasio's wife was clearly confused about her gender identity.


If it were hardwired, she would still be a lesbian.

 

[hsnh]

Even medical experts are fallible and make mistakes. They're human too.
If mistakes like the ones below happened in the past, I can only imagine what might happen in the future, if they are pressured by potential accusations of bigotry or transphobia:


_________________________________________________

"Tomorrow the General Medical Council will assess allegations that Dr Reid wrongly referred people who were not transsexual for sex change operations, and put other patients' lives at risk by failing to ensure they were taking sex changing hormones safely.

Some of his ex-patients question aspects of his treatment regime. Two told me that while Dr Reid probably was a great doctor if you really were transsexual the problem was they felt that he did not appear to do enough to rule out the possibility that some of his patients might not be.

One woman told me that Dr Reid failed to recognise that she was suffering from a serious mental illness, which made her believe she wanted to become a man. Her family claim that they warned Dr Reid of her psychiatric history. Just days before she was due to undergo surgery, she was sectioned and diagnosed with manic depression. Following treatment, she says she no longer had any desire to change sex.

Another patient, Paul Rowe, believes Dr Reid failed to take into account his recent traumas - including the death of his mother, two divorces, and losing his job - when assessing his suitability for surgery. Rowe says his desire to change sex was a symptom of severe depression. Post-op he now feels trapped in "gender limbo", not knowing whether he should live as Paul or Paula."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/oct/10/sexchangeexpertsshoulderr

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

All that one has to do is follow the history of the things that we were not to consume because they would hasten our demise: salt, butter, eggs, coffee, wine, coconut oil...,


None of which was actually true once the studies were reexamined because the original researchers had a vested interest not just in a theory, but in 'proving' it. A lot of our 'science' from AIDS to Glow Ball Warning fall into this category. This is a Social Justice theory looking for proof, nothing more. Up until the last 20 years, this was recognized for what it is, a form of mental illness. You do the mentally ill no favors by catering them and trying to mainstream them and the proof of that is in their suicide rates. Normalizing them does not increase their 'happiness.'

 

[Radiohead]

You two aren't that bright. Most of the recent numbers iare a combination of acceptance and pc.

He's not gay. He's British.

And MONTESANO may be a horrible disease but it's not the only one

 

[hsnh]

You two aren't that bright. Most of the recent numbers iare a combination of acceptance and pc.

He's not gay. He's British.

And MONTESANO may be a horrible disease but it's not the only one

Who are you referring to?

 

[Saint Peter]

do not ask

for whom the bell tolls

 

[hsnh]

do not ask

for whom the bell tolls

Well, I was wondering if he was referring to me too, since mine was one of the last posts too.
In that case, he misunderstood me (not the "not bright" part , but my position):
-- I'm in between the two opposing camps: liberals versus conservatives.

I believe that transgenderism is real so to speak and there's a biological basis, and they encounter a lot of discrimination.

But let's not forget about misdiagnoses and children's impressionability.
Introducing the topic to such length in primary schools would be wrong.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well, I was wondering if he was referring to me too, since mine was one of the last posts too.
In that case, he misunderstood me (not the "not bright" part , but my position):
-- I'm in between the two opposing camps: liberals versus conservatives.

I believe that transgenderism is real so to speak and there's a biological basis, and they encounter a lot of discrimination.

But let's not forget about misdiagnoses and children's impressionability.
Introducing the topic to such length in primary schools would be wrong.

You often ask, "How Americans can be so passionate about politics?"

Take your last sentence. Some of us feel that way, but the hard Left feels just the opposite, that not introducing it early and often is discrimination and harms that rare minority. Unfortunately, the latter viewpoint is becoming, in effect, militarized. They are not interested in discussion, debate or have patience for future studies, they want action, and they want it now.

 

[Saint Peter]

Well, I was wondering if he was referring to me too, since mine was one of the last posts too.
In that case, he misunderstood me (not the "not bright" part , but my position):
-- I'm in between the two opposing camps: liberals versus conservatives.

I believe that transgenderism is real so to speak and there's a biological basis, and they encounter a lot of discrimination.

But let's not forget about misdiagnoses and children's impressionability.
Introducing the topic to such length in primary schools would be wrong.

The conservative approach? Shame. Denial. Isolation. Just Say No. We have done that for years. It does not bring the trans kid back to heteroland. It encourages shitty behavior towards those that march to a different drummer. The Church does not want the topic discussed. So fucking what? Do not teach evolution. Do not teach science. Do not teach that the planet is round.

Yeah, fuck that. Go with the Libs on this one. The world will be a better place for all of us.