Universal Basic Income

[Que]

I didn't like the idea any better when it was called the War on Poverty in Johnson's Great Society.

Predictably, because actual economic principles dictate that anything that is subsidized becomes more prevalent, it led directly to more "impoverished" people.

The only benefit has been that we have some of the most materially wealthy poor people in the history of the planet.

Combine your idea with mandatory sterilization, and I will consider supporting it.

We have spent roughly the same amount of money on anti-poverty ptograms as the entire national debt. if 20 trillion dollars were currently available in the open market place for capital goods machinery and the like our economy would be robust.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I didn't like the idea any better when it was called the War on Poverty in Johnson's Great Society.

Predictably, because actual economic principles dictate that anything that is subsidized becomes more prevalent, it led directly to more "impoverished" people.

The only benefit has been that we have some of the most materially wealthy poor people in the history of the planet.

Combine your idea with mandatory sterilization, and I will consider supporting it.

We have spent roughly the same amount of money on anti-poverty ptograms as the entire national debt. if 20 trillion dollars were currently available in the open market place for capital goods machinery and the like our economy would be robust.

I am not a fan of it, but I don't see how we have a choice. You can call it UBI or welfare expansion - in the end we are going to have a lot of unemployed people in this country who simply lack marketable skills to earn an income. This goes way beyond fast food workers. This isn't a matter of additional training, there is nothing to train them for. I am not a fan of welfare, but I also like living in a country in which people do not starve to death.

I do hope that with UBI that would mean the end of health insurance, especially since the vast majority of people have health insurance tied to employment.

 

[Phelia]

I don't post links regarding what I have to say because I speak for myself. If I wanted to find a link that backs me up I could easily do so. And one can easily find a link that states the exact opposite. That's why links are usually a waste of time, unless it is only about dry statistics and the like.

People can see whatever they like or hate about me. I have real world friends as I am not an obese shut in who desperately needs Lit for human interaction. I stopped caring about the views of The Clique when I turned 17. Your need to incite against me is sad, but really is of no consequence to me.

I dont read /r/ anything because redditt makes my eyes bleed. Furthermore, I did not give my opinion on UBI itself. As of now I lean towards being in favor of it out of necessity (though I think we will get fucked in a way I don't yet understand). I don't know what the "/r/redpill" general consensus is, but I would guess they are against it.

I am sorry you are still blind with rage over my hurting you with my fat chick comments 5 years ago. But you really look silly making things up from your place of pain. That said, it is probably healthier for you to bash me than to reach for another pint of Ben & Jerry's. So bash away.

Just don't assume where I fall on an issue because i don't jump up to kiss your ass. We actually agree on UBI.

Yes, you're clearly a very confident, happy and fulfilled person. You didn't speak for yourself - you spoke for the author of the article, and the rest of the world, and you were wrong. And now you're embarrassed and can't defend yourself, but you're welcome to call me fat as many times as you need to to help choke back your own sense of crippling disappointment. You and VatAss can do it together, even!

If basic income was the answer it would have been implemented back in the 60s starting in North America. I'm all for a guaranteed minimum income or a living wage but not a basic income. I believe it would lead to an indulgent work force, if anyone wanted to work in the first place. The OP linked basic income with automation. Automation is not taking away jobs. It is reducing job quality though.

I use Wiki because you must back up any arguments with hard cold facts. Look at the RWCJ who spout blogger opinions and knee jerk reactionary arguments.

Your beliefs mean absolutely nothing to me. You are wrong. There's just no evidence. In fact, countless studies that have disproved it. I have linked supporting evidence in the thread. There is much more out there, if you care to look.

Wiki is a source of basic information and will give you a basic (and likely incorrect) understanding of the world if it's what you rely on that heavily.

 

[FakeNews]

Yes, you're clearly a very confident, happy and fulfilled person. You didn't speak for yourself - you spoke for the author of the article, and the rest of the world, and you were wrong. And now you're embarrassed and can't defend yourself, but you're welcome to call me fat as many times as you need to to help choke back your own sense of crippling disappointment. You and VatAss can do it together, even!

Have you consumed too many pints of Ben & Jerry's, Phelia?

A little advice for you......

If I can see your "rolls of skin," then yoga pants should be avoided. If it takes your ass more than a few seconds to catch up with the rest of you, then yoga pants should be avoided. If your "camel toe" is big enough to park a bicycle, then yoga pants should be avoided. If your thighs are so big that "chaffing" causes your yoga pants material to quickly disintegrate, then yoga pants should be avoided.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sooooo let's just say it's a mircle boom for society.

Who the fuck is funding it?

Do we just monopoly money everyone 2g's a month or something?

 

[Hard_Rom]

Yes, you're clearly a very confident, happy and fulfilled person. You didn't speak for yourself - you spoke for the author of the article, and the rest of the world, and you were wrong. And now you're embarrassed and can't defend yourself, but you're welcome to call me fat as many times as you need to to help choke back your own sense of crippling disappointment. You and VatAss can do it together, even!



Your beliefs mean absolutely nothing to me. You are wrong. There's just no evidence. In fact, countless studies that have disproved it. I have linked supporting evidence in the thread. There is much more out there, if you care to look.

Wiki is a source of basic information and will give you a basic (and likely incorrect) understanding of the world if it's what you rely on that heavily.

Slammed for my personal opinion and slammed for providing open source encyclopedia info. What ever!

 

[Que]

Yes, you're clearly a very confident, happy and fulfilled person. You didn't speak for yourself - you spoke for the author of the article, and the rest of the world, and you were wrong. And now you're embarrassed and can't defend yourself, but you're welcome to call me fat as many times as you need to to help choke back your own sense of crippling disappointment. You and VatAss can do it together, even!



Your beliefs mean absolutely nothing to me. You are wrong. There's just no evidence. In fact, countless studies that have disproved it. I have linked supporting evidence in the thread. There is much more out there, if you care to look.

Wiki is a source of basic information and will give you a basic (and likely incorrect) understanding of the world if it's what you rely on that heavily.

"Countless" studies? That must be a very large number. I can count pretty high, altbough I can conceive of even larger numbers that would be impractical to count.

 

[Freudian_Slit]

I didn't like the idea any better when it was called the War on Poverty in Johnson's Great Society.

Cite that universal basic income was a policy initiative in the War on Poverty?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Yes, you're clearly a very confident, happy and fulfilled person. You didn't speak for yourself - you spoke for the author of the article, and the rest of the world, and you were wrong. And now you're embarrassed and can't defend yourself, but you're welcome to call me fat as many times as you need to to help choke back your own sense of crippling disappointment. You and VatAss can do it together, even!



Your beliefs mean absolutely nothing to me. You are wrong. There's just no evidence. In fact, countless studies that have disproved it. I have linked supporting evidence in the thread. There is much more out there, if you care to look.

Wiki is a source of basic information and will give you a basic (and likely incorrect) understanding of the world if it's what you rely on that heavily.

I am not embarrassed at all and stand behind everything I wrote regarding the article. If you don't like what I wrote, or disagree with it, so be it. It's OK to disagree but... Your frothing rage over a differing opinion is bizarre and obviously is based on internal anger. That's your problem, not mine. I don't know who VatAss is, but s/he sounds like a fattie too.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Sooooo let's just say it's a mircle boom for society.

Who the fuck is funding it?

Do we just monopoly money everyone 2g's a month or something?

Why not? They'll just spend most of it back into the economy. Which is what we want, more than people hoarding billions and billions.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why not? They'll just spend most of it back into the economy. Which is what we want, more than people hoarding billions and billions.

Why not just quit taxing people then and make everyone a millionaire since were just going to wire poverty into the past.

 

[Freudian_Slit]

The OP linked basic income with automation. Automation is not taking away jobs. It is reducing job quality though.

Technological unemployment, specifically that from automation, certainly is a real phenomenon. But to address your point, we can ask whether employment opportunity, in aggregate, is being reduced by automation. Until the twenty-first century human innovation has been up to the task of conceiving new products and services to satisfy those who had lost their jobs to automation. Though I won't make the argument myself, one could also argue that productivity gains by automation, by growing the economy faster, eventually allowed the job market faster growth. But there's a question whether this pattern will hold up through the twenty-first century. Already we see the hints of artificial intelligence systems which can conceive more than the human mind. If any task can be performed more efficiently when automated, and if artificial intelligence can conceive more than the human mind, what role is there for the human worker?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Why not just quit taxing people then and make everyone a millionaire since were just going to wire poverty into the past.

Because when you quit taxing then guess what, toll roads and private security guards. Basically a feudalist state.

It's regrettable that you couldn't live in the Middle Ages, but that's father time for ya.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because when you quit taxing then guess what, toll roads and private security guards. Basically a feudalist state.

It's regrettable that you couldn't live in the Middle Ages, but that's father time for ya.

Why? Just wire them monopoly money too, fix the roads and pay the popo.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Automation is not taking away jobs. It is reducing job quality though.

Incorrect. Automation was about improving human productivity. Automation is now about eliminating people entirely. Automation has eliminated people entirely from vast swaths of retail and is about to eliminate factory workers and delivery drivers.

Because of automation more people are being crammed into fewer categories of jobs.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Why? Just wire them monopoly money too, fix the roads and pay the popo.

Sorry but silly hour is over so you're going to have to go back in your John Wick action figure box. Bye!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sorry but silly hour is over so you're going to have to go back in your John Wick action figure box. Bye!

Yea....that's what I thought

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Yea....that's what I thought

Your ideas are the depth of insanity. Debating you is like debating the crazy drunk on the street corner. You're a low-functioning nutjob. It's no more complicated than that.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Your ideas are the depth of insanity. Debating you is like debating the crazy drunk on the street corner. You're a low-functioning nutjob. It's no more complicated than that.

I'm not the one who just wants to hand out money to everyone for existing LOL

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I just thought of something, if we moved to UBI the corporate tax rate needs to quadruple at the very least. In fact it will have to increase tenfold at the very least. And then the Feds have to dole out cash to the states. How do they maintain their autonomy under the conditions in which states don't tax their citizens, how do they maintain basic services? This seems like a blow to states rights.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I just thought of something, if we moved to UBI the corporate tax rate needs to quadruple at the very least. In fact it will have to increase tenfold at the very least. And then the Feds have to dole out cash to the states. How do they maintain their autonomy under the conditions in which states don't tax their citizens, how do they maintain basic services? This seems like a blow to states rights.

They can't and it is.

It's totalitarian state communism sticking it's nose under the tent.

Control over the housing and soon all food will need to come from the USDA ONLY. Everyone gets an equal allotment.

 

[Ishmael]

I just thought of something, if we moved to UBI the corporate tax rate needs to quadruple at the very least. In fact it will have to increase tenfold at the very least. And then the Feds have to dole out cash to the states. How do they maintain their autonomy under the conditions in which states don't tax their citizens, how do they maintain basic services? This seems like a blow to states rights.

They don't, that's the plan.

Ishmael

 

[Que]

Cite that universal basic income was a policy initiative in the War on Poverty?

As we've discussed several times you don't get to ask for cites, Oreo.

In this case, no citation is necessary- just basic try to follow the logic of what you're asking here. What you call the money handed out doesn't change the fact that it's the government handing out money. It doesn't matter which account it comes from.

You could call it universal prepaid rent. I don't care what you call it..it's money to abolish poverty. It's the exact same program. It's been tried for the exact duration of my entire lifetime to no effect.

 

[Ishmael]

As we've discussed several times you don't get to ask for cites, Oreo.

In this case, no citation is necessary- just basic try to follow the logic of what you're asking here. What you call the money handed out doesn't change the fact that it's the government handing out money. It doesn't matter which account it comes from.

You could call it universal prepaid rent. I don't care what you call it..it's money to abolish poverty. It's the exact same program. It's been tried for the exact duration of my entire lifetime to no effect.

For a citation use "Venezuela."

Ishmael

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Who gets this "Universal Basic Income"?

Who decides?

Who Pays?

Seems like a moronic concept to me.