How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[phrodeau]

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[xfrodobagginsx]

The human ability to create music is a mystery of that kind, but does not apply to animals. They cannot create music. Some few species can appreciate it, that is all, and is in no way surprising.

Really? It's not surprising that a bird understands, dances, sings and understands music? How did it evolve?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

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What is this?

 

[Lunation]

If I'm not getting into heaven, I drank a LOT of priest cum for nothing.

 

[phrodeau]

What is this?

It is a highly simplistic theory of language. Here is another one: Music is put inside all creatures as a way of worshiping God.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

It is a highly simplistic theory of language. Here is another one: Music is put inside all creatures as a way of worshiping God.

Re 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

(Dead Sea Scrolls) http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectiv...aspx?id=387754

 

[KingOrfeo]

Re 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

We are not now discussing a point on which Scripture is persuasive to non-believers (the only points on which it might be are ones of Christian doctrine).

 

[Hard_Rom]

A Queen sits on the throne. But lamb is good.

 

[phrodeau]

Re 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

What bullshit. Remember this story?

Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

Now, don't try to tell us that God wants every tongue to sing His praises in fucking unison.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Really? You really don't understand that in heaven, all will speak the same language and even if we don't, why couldn't we all praise God at the same time?

 

[phrodeau]

Really? You really don't understand that in heaven, all will speak the same language and even if we don't, why couldn't we all praise God at the same time?

Didn't you read your own post?

"And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them…"

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Didn't you read your own post?

"And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them…"

Yes, the verse referenced "every creature". Your comment had to do with how the different races came about and the different languages. Just because God confused their language at that specific time, doesn't mean that He doesn't want them to be unified later as they seek His will. The reason why God confused their language was because they weren't seeking God's will, but rather, they were trying to exalt themselves against God and His will. One day, the true followers of the Lord will be unified in heaven and will exalt His name in unison, even the animals and every creature.

 

[phrodeau]

Yes, the verse referenced "every creature". Your comment had to do with how the different races came about and the different languages. Just because God confused their language at that specific time, doesn't mean that He doesn't want them to be unified later as they seek His will. The reason why God confused their language was because they weren't seeking God's will, but rather, they were trying to exalt themselves against God and His will. One day, the true followers of the Lord will be unified in heaven and will exalt His name in unison, even the animals and every creature.

How will all the languages ever be unified? It isn't possible if we have free will.

God's claim that He confused languages at Babel is likewise impossible, given free will. One example of many claims made by God in the Bible that fail the reality test.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

How will all the languages ever be unified? It isn't possible if we have free will.

God's claim that He confused languages at Babel is likewise impossible, given free will. One example of many claims made by God in the Bible that fail the reality test.

Are you saying that you would like for the languages to never be unified and it's not free will for them to be unified? You aren't making sense.

We have free will to sin or not to sin, but God is sovereign and can punish us for our sins. We aren't free from the consequence of our sins.

How is God's truth that He confused the languages 4500 years ago impossible?

 

[phrodeau]

Are you saying that you would like for the languages to never be unified and it's not free will for them to be unified? You aren't making sense.

We have free will to sin or not to sin, but God is sovereign and can punish us for our sins. We aren't free from the consequence of our sins.

How is God's truth that He confused the languages 4500 years ago impossible?

Because God would have to eliminate free will in order to change our language. There's no denying that.

Humans have made several efforts to suppress languages in history, and all of them have involved the use of force. Nobody is going to change the language they speak, just because God asked them to.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The Queen is sovereign.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The Queen is sovereign.

And if She had balls She'd be King.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Because God would have to eliminate free will in order to change our language. There's no denying that.

Humans have made several efforts to suppress languages in history, and all of them have involved the use of force. Nobody is going to change the language they speak, just because God asked them to.

The free will is weather to sin or not. Free will doesn't mean escaping the consequences of our choices or escaping God's will for humanity or even for your life. If God wills it, it will happen.

 

[KingOrfeo]

How will all the languages ever be unified? It isn't possible if we have free will.

Wait, now, let's be fair. Christianity assumes that God has and sometimes exercises the power to stick His finger in, to work miracles -- which may violate the laws of physics and/or may interfere with human free will. But He allows both physics and free will to operate most of the time. The picture might appear silly, but is not essentially illogical.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Wait, now, let's be fair. Christianity assumes that God has and sometimes exercises the power to stick His finger in, to work miracles -- which may violate the laws of physics and/or may interfere with human free will. But He allows both physics and free will to operate most of the time. The picture might appear silly, but is not essentially illogical.

Yes but just because we have free will to do what we want, doesn't mean God also doesn't have free will to do what He wants. He is sovereign. His will ultimately prevails over all in the end anyway.

 

[Down4fun91]

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[xfrodobagginsx]

I'm fine with the afterlife being a state of non existence. I've never been baptized, and dont plan to. Win lose or draw, I'll end up in purgatory. As far as my actions on this earth, I'm honest, I try not to harm others and if I commit a wrong to my fellow man, I atone for it by making an amends. I don't believe Jesus would want us to demand our fellows to follow him. I believe thats a scare tactic to increase fellowship numbers. I feel like everyone gets wrapped up in the Heaven and Hell system, and they neglect to realize that even if you do convert, you might still go to hell because you have impure motives. Dont get me wrong, religions do wonders for their flocks, but I'm not one to find god in wood, stone, paper, and pastor. I'm more opted to find god in myself.

Just so you know, being baptized doesn't get you into heaven anyway. Purgatory is not a real place either. When you die you either end up in heaven or hell. All men are already heading to hell until they place their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, believing in their heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for their sins. Being good won't get you into heaven either because you are already a sinner, according to scripture. Jesus Himself did declare that only those who accept His free gift of salvation will go to heaven. I believe Him. If you accept Jesus Christ from your heart, you will not end up in hell.

 

[Hard_Rom]

So you can accept Jesus than do evil and still go to heaven!?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So you can accept Jesus than do evil and still go to heaven!?

When you truly accept Jesus Christ He gives you a new spirit inside you that desires to please Him. So although you do sin, it is grievous to you and you seek rather to please God. Christians repent and ask God to forgive their sins to keep good fellowship with their heavenly Father.