How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[KingOrfeo]

Care to comment? I'm not a neuro-scientist but when I looked at the complexity of the human body systems, I did not feel that it could have happened by chance. There had to be a creator. That is my own opinion.

Evolution can accomplish a lot more than you seem to think -- though it takes a very long time doing it -- but the origin of the species is a different question from that of whether some immaterial being inhabits and controls the body like a person driving a car.

 

[Tryharder62]

Evolution can accomplish a lot more than you seem to think -- though it takes a very long time doing it -- but the origin of the species is a different question from that of whether some immaterial being inhabits and controls the body like a person driving a car.

Is it evolution or adaptation? I would think you would see a lot more evidence for evolved species from one to another if this were true. Hmmmm....

I can see the difference in the questions. All I know is that Jesus is my co-pilot. lol

 

[EternalFantasies]

Well both can be right.

Evolution is God's creation. In fact, Genesis does account for creation in stages. There's evolution.

Dunno what the confusion's about.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Care to comment? I'm not a neuro-scientist but when I looked at the complexity of the human body systems, I did not feel that it could have happened by chance. There had to be a creator. That is my own opinion.

Quantum theory says nothing is impossible and everything possible.

The Universe is over 13 billion years old. There are 400 billion stars in the galaxy. There are billions of galaxies. What are the chances?

Of course if you are of the opinion of the OP and believe the world is under 10k years old that may be different. But he is as ignorant of science and physics as he is of Christian theology.

All it took was chance that a few elementary principles come to past and life is almost inevitable. And hence intelligent life. There is no need of an intelligent creator. There may be no proof it doesn't exist but it is not a prerequisite. We could come to past just as possibly without a 'God".

 

[EternalFantasies]

All it took was chance that a few elementary principles come to past and life is almost inevitable. And hence intelligent life. There is no need of an intelligent creator. There may be no proof it doesn't exist but it is not a prerequisite. We could come to past just as possibly without a 'God".

This a result of a failure to understand how true creation took place. And if you did, and I hope to say 'when', you'd see that it is a sheer miracle. The chances of replicating this are wo ho howwwww.. very very slim.

And yes, it is an intelligent being. And we're in His image.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Is it evolution or adaptation?

Adaptation is something evolution accomplishes.

How It Works

"I have called this principle, by which each slight variation, if useful, is preserved, by the term of Natural Selection."
— Charles Darwin, On the Origin of Species

Evolution has two main components. The first is descent with modification. An offspring is like its parent(s) but not exactly like its parent(s). The reason for this is the random changes that occur in the propagation of genes between generations. Parent DNA is copied faithfully, but not exactly to the child. Sometimes part of the code gets pasted in backward, sometimes a chunk moves from page 1003 to page 1209, sometimes a bit is left out or another bit tacked on. There are a number of ways for information to be added, subtracted, or simply changed in a gene sequence.

Whereas an error in a computer program will cause it to crash and stop running, organisms can be more flexible. Sometimes a mutation can be crippling or fatal, other times it is a superficial change, and on some occasions the change is beneficial. The vast majority are completely neutral, either occurring in non-coding DNA or not changing the performance of the gene in which it occurs. You yourself are the heritor of some 120 (average number for humans) changes and probably aren't particularly crippled or enhanced by them. A specific mutation will typically only occur once and then spread through the population. Some mutations spread by virtue of being beneficial while others spread completely by chance in a process known as genetic drift. It is through genetic drift and mathematical models that scientists can trace evolutionary paths and genetic mutations back through history, in a process similar to the study of how language mutates over time.

The second component of evolution is a selection process—stated succinctly, that which survives to reproduce becomes more widespread. This is often referred to as natural selection, but in principle, we see selection processes every day. Whether you use Firefox or Chrome or Internet Explorer is a complex process of artificial selection, for example, and there are many reasons why different browsers control their respective market shares. Like organisms, companies, charities, even whole political systems spawn, grow, and die. What makes the evolution of organisms "natural" is that it has to do with conditions of adaptability, fertility, and more—what determines an organism's ability to propagate itself are factors derived from nature. And in the most trivial case, an organism that can't reproduce in some way (whether it's true sexual or asexual reproduction or simply the mechanism of a virus forcing a host cell to make copies) dies off and, well, vanishes.

Major factors that drive speciation through selection are geographical or climatological in nature: when populations get separated by mountains or rivers, the split-off groups can diverge; when the local weather patterns turn more rainy or warmer, creatures built for cold, dry weather die off. Additionally, a creature may have a competitive advantage for limited resources. Plants that grow higher than others get a clear, unobstructed path to sunlight. Animals that are faster, bigger, or tougher can more easily kill their prey, or those that are fast and quick can outrun predators that might hunt them, or those that are smaller and weaker require less food and so do not starve. Organisms that are more attractive to the opposite sex can have more offspring. There are too many factors to list, of course; this is just a sample of what all affects an organism's ability to reproduce, to survive selection and the passage of time. In the end, no matter the cause, that which survives to reproduce becomes more prevalent, whatever that may be. It's a misconception to think only the "fittest" survive; this is not true. There's an element of chance (anyone can get hit by a falling rock). Plus, a great number of organisms survive to have children; it's whether they have more surviving children and grandchildren that determines the course of change.

The Timeline

"Of course, like every other man of intelligence and education I do believe in organic evolution. It surprises me that at this late date such questions should be raised."
— Woodrow Wilson. In 1922.

Some dates to keep in mind regarding the history of life on Earth, according to evolutionary biology:

The Earth itself is ~4.6 billion years old
The first simple life (that is, prokaryotic and single cellular) appeared around 3.5 billion years ago. Multicellular life did not appear until around 1 billion years ago.
Animals (everything from jellyfish to scorpions to elephants) have only been around for 550 million years or so (probably).
Our genus, Homo, is only about 2.5 million years old. That includes our earlier bipedal ancestors. "Modern" humans only really popped up around 200,000 years ago, and Cro-Magnons (the first Homo sapiens) 50,000 years ago.
While photosynthesis is absolutely ancient, flowering plants didn't appear until around 130 million years ago.

Notably, a particularly virulent strain of conservative Christianity has had issues reconciling evolutionary biology with The Bible's creation account in Genesis. Some have decided to take Genesis as metaphorical and/or believe that God drove the evolutionary process note this is the position of the Catholic Church, which officially "approved" evolution in 1950, and many mainline Protestant churches. Others say that the two views are irreconcilable and side with the Biblical account; while they can't deny the selection process or genetic drift on a small scale, they believe it only goes as far as forming different breeds within a species, not entirely different species (the degree of variation that constitutes creationist "microevolution" is usually arbitrarily small, or simply left undefined to stop those meddlin' scientists having any testable predictions to investigate). This view of microevolution has no scientific basis, and is a bit akin to saying "I believe that I can walk to the convenience store down the street, but not that I can walk to the next town seven miles away." In truth, the same mechanisms Young Earth Creationists try to Hand Wave into their version of microevolution are what cause macroevolution (ie, the change of organisms via natural selection), just as the same mechanism by which our notional creationist gets to the shop a short distance away (i.e walking) can get him to the next town a longer way away. In fact, macroevolution is simply all the microevolution in a given species.

I can see the difference in the questions. All I know is that Jesus is my co-pilot. lol

Well, the question is about the existence of your soul, not his; no effort to detect it or prove its existence scientifically has succeeded, and it is not a necessary hypothesis -- everything that goes on inside you can be explained without it in strictly material terms, including your mind and consciousness; nevertheless, there is a number of "non-materialist neuroscientists" who insist it must exist and is a necessary hypothesis.

Furthermore, while countless religions and belief systems have believed in the existence of some kind of life energy (other than the energy generated by biological processes) that animates (or at least plays an important role in) living things -- chi, kundalini, prana, psychic energy, ectoplasm, vital force, life force, the Force -- no such thing has ever been detected scientifically, and, again, it is not a necessary hypothesis.

 

[phrodeau]

Non believers in God have no hope when they die. They believe that they cease to exist. Why would they look forward to that? But worse yet, in reality they not only continue to exist, but they end up in a really bad eternal place.

Eternal punishment for a momentary sin? What a fucked-up deal.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Eternal punishment for a momentary sin? What a fucked-up deal.

You can spend millions of years in Hindu or Buddhist Hell, but at least you know you're getting out someday.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Evolution is how we progressed from an apelike ancestor to modern human. Adaptation is things like white skin, kinky hair and round features on folk like Inuit.

Dental crowding and overbites are a result of us cooking food. The size of our teeth has not evolved fast enough to keep up with our smaller jaws that have adapted to softer cooked food. Feed your kids raw food and they will grow up with lantern jaws and greatly increased musculature of jaw and skull. Making them look quite cavepersonish.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Feed your kids raw food and they will grow up with lantern jaws and greatly increased musculature of jaw and skull. Making them look quite cavepersonish.

"Mommy, why do you only feed us raw food?"

"Raw food is good for children, dear! *snerk*"

 

[KingOrfeo]

Is there sleep in the afterlife? Just wondering. Nobody knows why we sleep, but nobody seems to have a problem with the fact that we have to, it's generally an enjoyable part of life.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE OLD TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CANNONIZED (CAME TO BE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI3cpHVp8_s


THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CANONIZED (CAME TO BE) PART 1 AUTOMATICALLY MERGES INTO PART 2

WHOLE VIDEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_bbXRVS5JY

 

[ishtat]

THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE OLD TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CANNONIZED (CAME TO BE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI3cpHVp8_s


THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE WAS CANONIZED (CAME TO BE) PART 1 AUTOMATICALLY MERGES INTO PART 2

WHOLE VIDEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_bbXRVS5JY

In that case, how do you account for the fact that Protestant Churches the RC's the Russian and Greek Orthodox churches, The Nestorians, the Coptics and Ethiopians plus many other churches all have different bibles. Which is right? - I won't even mention different translations.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The Assyrian Christian Church was the very first breakaway from the original church.

The Church of the East developed between the first and third centuries from the early Assyrian Christian communities in the Parthian Empire's province of Mesopotamia and the Sasanian province of Asōristān (Assyria) and the small independent Neo-Assyrian kingdoms of Osroene, Adiabene, Beth Garmai, Beth Nuhadra and Assur. At its height, the Church had spread from its heartland in Upper Mesopotamia to as far afield as China, Mongolia, Central Asia, Asia Minor, the Arabian peninsula and India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Church_of_the_East

 

[Tryharder62]

Is there sleep in the afterlife? Just wondering. Nobody knows why we sleep, but nobody seems to have a problem with the fact that we have to, it's generally an enjoyable part of life.

Absolute proof against evolution. This is my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandmother. She looks just like me. We did not evolve from apes. Unfortunatly, I don't think there is sleep in heaven. I heard there wasn't even a need for a bed.


https://merchantreliefcouncil.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/gorilla_in_a_multi_dress.jpg

 

[rocket_surgery]

Absolute proof against evolution. This is my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandmother. She looks just like me. We did not evolve from apes. Unfortunatly, I don't think there is sleep in heaven. I heard there wasn't even a need for a bed.


https://merchantreliefcouncil.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/gorilla_in_a_multi_dress.jpg

Ever watch that show The Good Place? They eat, drink and sleep. There is also night and day, people live in houses and wear clothes. On and on. The whole time I watched it I kept wondering why. Not why I watched because it's really not a bad show but why do they need all that?

 

[Tryharder62]

Ever watch that show The Good Place? They eat, drink and sleep. There is also night and day, people live in houses and wear clothes. On and on. The whole time I watched it I kept wondering why. Not why I watched because it's really not a bad show but why do they need all that?

No, I haven't seen that. Seriously, although heaven is described in the bible I don't think we can truly comprehend what it will be like. We don't have the frame of reference for it.

 

[ishtat]

Absolute proof against evolution. This is my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandmother. She looks just like me. We did not evolve from apes. Unfortunatly, I don't think there is sleep in heaven. I heard there wasn't even a need for a bed.


https://merchantreliefcouncil.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/gorilla_in_a_multi_dress.jpg

No she is not your 18x Great Grandmother. You and she both evolved from a common ancestor, verifiable by DNA analysis.

Now pay attention in class in future.

 

[Tryharder62]

No she is not your 18x Great Grandmother. You and she both evolved from a common ancestor, verifiable by DNA analysis.

Now pay attention in class in future.

I think we need Maury Povich

 

[Hard_Rom]

No she is not your 18x Great Grandmother. You and she both evolved from a common ancestor, verifiable by DNA analysis.

Now pay attention in class in future.

Another mistake evolution skeptics make.

 

[Tryharder62]

Another mistake evolution skeptics make.

Maybe I'm the missing link?

 

[phrodeau]

Maybe I'm the missing link?

There are already plenty of links.

 

[Tryharder62]

There are already plenty of links.

I still think we don't change from one species to another but we adapt.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I still think we don't change from one species to another but we adapt.

that was explained by Galapagos finches and Darwin, same species when they got to remote island evolved into different species over many many years

horses and donkeys same ancestor, different species, different chromosome count, usually infertile mule offspring

maybe your 18X removed nanna was missing link, o p could be missing link though

 

[EternalFantasies]

Well nothing's for certain, but I recall there was a link found in what the headline said 'half-amphibian' something.. so link between underwater, and out of water.. And another few years back about apes to humans.

Of course, all theories, but worth a look. I found the wikis. but one can search related articles too.

Water to Air claim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiktaalik

Ape to Human claim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_sediba