How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[phrodeau]

Can you elaberate on this? I think that the US was much more Christian when Kennedy was President and people did get offended when Government prayed talked about God, ect. It's only been over the last several decades that the liberals have been trying to rewrite history and take God out.

Kennedy was Catholic, and that made a big difference to the Protestants in America. He was openly accused of working for the Pope.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Kennedy was Catholic, and that made a big difference to the Protestants in America. He was openly accused of working for the Pope.

The US was a very Christian nation from it's founding.

 

[rocket_surgery]

The US was a very Christian nation from it's founding.

The founders being Christian doesn't make it a Christian country. They were pretty clear that all religions or lack thereof were to be treated equally. Like literally the very first amendment they thought of.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The US was a very Christian nation from it's founding.

However . . .

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

The founders being Christian doesn't make it a Christian country. They were pretty clear that all religions or lack thereof were to be treated equally. Like literally the very first amendment they thought of.

Christianity was woven throughout the entire Government. There are Bible verses all over Buildings and Statues in Washington D.C. There is a painting of Moses with the Ten Commandments in the U.S. Supreme Court. The Bible was the primary textbook in the Schools. The Military's band became the worship band on Sundays. The US Capital Building was turned into a Church on Sunday. Even the non Christians had a reverence for Christianity and it's values.

 

[Maidboy]

The US was a very Christian nation from it's founding.

As evidenced by the genocide of Native Americans and enslavement of Africans.

In the grand tradition of Noah's Flood, The Angel of Death being visited upon the children of Egypt etc etc...

"Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us, he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." ~Psalms, 137:9

"Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." ~Samuel, 15:3

Praise the Lord motherfuckers.

 

[TwinkleStars]

Considering we all die at some point, I'd don't think ANY of us have much choice in the matter. Belief in a higher power isn't going to stop death.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Considering we all die at some point, I'd don't think ANY of us have much choice in the matter. Belief in a higher power isn't going to stop death.

It won't stop physical death, but it WILL stop spiritual death. God also will resurrect those who trust in Jesus Christ and give them eternal life physically.

 

[EternalFantasies]

The US is a very Christian nation.

It doesn't appear it, it doesn't preach it.

But it is a very Christian one based on Christian enlightenment.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

The US is a very Christian nation.

It doesn't appear it, it doesn't preach it.

But it is a very Christian one based on Christian enlightenment.

It was founded as such. The last few decades it has been slipping farther and farther away from it.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The US is a very Christian nation.

It doesn't appear it, it doesn't preach it.

But it is a very Christian one based on Christian enlightenment.

Christian in the sense Europe is Christian even with a sharp decline in active worship and faith there; Christianity is in our cultural DNA and has shaped our value systems and moral world views. However -- from The Next American Nation, by Michael Lind:

Conservatives do not recognize how much the nation has changed since the fifties in its religious attitudes. It may be that the religion of nominal Christians in the United States can no longer be described as traditional trinitarian Christian. The scholarly term for their belief is henotheism, the belief that all ethnic groups and cultures have, and should have, their own gods and rites. In Christian theology, this is the heresy of indifferentism. Robert Linder and Richard Pierard have described the evolution of American civil religion: "Its umbrella has changed from evangelical consensus to Protestantism-in-general, to Christianity-in-general, to the Judeo-Christian tradition in general, to deism-in-general." The decline in belief in Christianity as the only true religion has been extraordinarily rapid in the United States. In a poll taken in 1924 in Muncie, Indiana, 94 percent of high school students agreed that "Christianity is the one true religion and all peoples should be converted to it." By the late 1970s, merely 38 percent of respondents in a later poll in Muncie agreed that Christianity was the only true faith. Two-thirds of the respondents in a 1991 poll agreed that Christians, Jews, Muslims and Buddhists "pray to the same God."

And that was written in 1995. Since that has grown up a generation of Millennials who are the most secular generation, with the highest percentage of atheists and agnostics, in all of American history. And it is doubtful that their children or grandchildren will ever reverse that trend.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Christian in the sense Europe is Christian even with a sharp decline in active worship and faith there; Christianity is in our cultural DNA and has shaped our value systems and moral world views. However -- from The Next American Nation, by Michael Lind:



And that was written in 1995. Since that has grown up a generation of Millennials who are the most secular generation, with the highest percentage of atheists and agnostics, in all of American history. And it is doubtful that their children or grandchildren will ever reverse that trend.

It doesn't matter what people are or have become Orfeo.

It's nature is as such. It's system of governance. Laws...

Millennials

 

[KingOrfeo]

It doesn't matter what people are or have become Orfeo.

Of course it does, when we're discussing what kind of nation this is.

It's nature is as such. It's system of governance. Laws...

In a moral as opposed to a physical sense, there is no such thing as natural law.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Of course it does, when we're discussing what kind of nation this is.

Nope.

Those are things people cannot change. People only affect some preferences. But not the nature.

If that's attempted, ever... welllll .. I'll meet ya across by AJ's side

 

[EternalFantasies]

You think in bits OreoKing.

You think in 1s and 0s.

All those little bits make up a large broader picture, and i'm afraid Atheists are at a major disadvantage seeing that. It's the disadvantage.

There is no way, that way.

I'l never tire of posting you this Mr half a scientist, till it sinks in nicely; if at all possible:

“Mystics understand the roots of the Tao but not its branches; scientists understand its branches but not its roots. Science does not need mysticism and mysticism does not need science; but man needs both.”
―Fritjof Capra

 

[KingOrfeo]

Nope.

Those are things people cannot change. People only affect some preferences. But not the nature.

People can change what they believe -- and do, and have -- and to the extent that is an element in what kind of people Americans are, it is relevant.

 

[KingOrfeo]

“Mystics understand the roots of the Tao but not its branches; scientists understand its branches but not its roots. Science does not need mysticism and mysticism does not need science; but man needs both.”
―Fritjof Capra

Man does not need mysticism. We can be whole and complete without it. But not without science.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sickness.png

 

[EternalFantasies]

People can change what they believe -- and do, and have -- and to the extent that is an element in what kind of people Americans are, it is relevant.

They can. I did not dispute that. I said they can't change what the US is.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Man does not need mysticism. We can be whole and complete without it. But not without science.

Quite cute. Assertive about that too




And if only you could be as good a scientist as a circular arguer.



In any case, in this new...era, Francis told you: if u can't be a good Christian, better be an Atheist. Enjoy.

But you ain'ts changing notin anymore, no matter how many y'all become. especially in the US.

 

[KingOrfeo]

They can. I did not dispute that. I said they can't change what the US is.

They can change what the U.S. is by changing what they believe, and that is what they are now doing. Our grandchildren's America will still be in some sense a Christian country -- but not in anything like the sense it is even now, let alone in 1789.

 

[EternalFantasies]

They can change what the U.S. is by changing what they believe, and that is what they are now doing. Our grandchildren's America will still be in some sense a Christian country -- but not in anything like the sense it is even now, let alone in 1789.

What they believe has little to do with how the US is formed.

It's a bit funny how you can't see past what you think.

 

[phrodeau]

Man does not need mysticism. We can be whole and complete without it. But not without science.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sickness.png

I wish we could say the same for medicine. Modern health care is still 3/4ths guesswork.

 

[Maidboy]

The US is a very Christian nation.

It doesn't appear it, it doesn't preach it.

But it is a very Christian one based on Christian enlightenment.

More like Christian entitlement. You know, Manifest Destiny, the New Jerusalem, the Shining City on the Hill etc.

Small pox decimating Native American populations was God's will, right? Just like with the plagues in Egypt, I suppose.

Your imaginary deity is a genocidal monster. Shame on you.

 

[EternalFantasies]

More like Christian entitlement. You know, Manifest Destiny, the New Jerusalem, the Shining City on the Hill etc.

Small pox decimating Native American populations was God's will, right? Just like with the plagues in Egypt, I suppose.

Your imaginary deity is a genocidal monster. Shame on you.

https://www.youtube.com/v/UEiMv4mCI1g?start=98&end=101
(dunno why, u gotta click reload on opened page)

 

[CiipherX]

I believe in Jesus as a prophet of God. I believe that..to believe he is God or part of God, is polytheism.

God is one, no partners or need of a helper. You get to heaven by the grace of God, your good deeds and praying for forgiveness.

I struggled with writing this because I felt hypocritical writing it on THIS site..........