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Go with the force man. Test the force out.
How To Get To Heaven When You Die
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Go with the force man. Test the force out.
This isn't the God you're looking for.
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Explains a lot! Star Wars git!
Exweeze me? I haven't even watched them all. But I eventually understood the concept.
OTOH, I got every ST memorized. Name it. No one can match me on that. That i will boast.
I simply know, exactly where you are coming from.
Try another.
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My Jesus is the real Jesus. The one recorded in the Bible. Jesus did feed the hungry and heal the sick. It's a good thing that that's what Christians do. But Christians don't do those things in order to get to heaven, they do them because they are already on their way to heaven. Good deeds don't get you to heaven. Jesus also preached against sin. Jesus was also hated for speaking the truth. If Pope Francis contradicts what Jesus actually says in His word, then Pope Francis is wrong. You can't just make Jesus conform to your will and what you want Him to be, on the contrary, YOU have to conform to His will and what He wants you to be. We do this by reading and obeying His word, the Bible, not some man, no matter if he has the name Pope attached to him or not.
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Really, you are that blinded by your own dogma to say something so unenlightened?
A few quick statistics:
1. While some media report upwards of 300 million Orthodox throughout the world, others estimate 200 million.... Over the past century, the number of Catholics around the globe has more than tripled, from an estimated 291 million in 1910 to nearly 1.1 billion as of 2010, according to a comprehensive demographic study by the Pew Research Center.
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http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2012/07/christianity-graphic-08.png
3. xfrodobagginsx is estimated a 1.
Begs the question: Who ya gonna believe now? But I will say, "... YOU have to conform to His will and what He wants you to be. We do this by reading and obeying His word, the Bible, not some man, no matter if he has the name xfrodobagginsx attached to him or not."
Martin Luther seems to have assumed that if everybody read the Bible, everybody would interpret its meaning the same way.
Naive, huh?
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Mathew 16
I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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One needs to understand the verse, not take it literally.
xfrodobagginsx is very correct.
One needs to understand the verse, not take it literally.
xfrodobagginsx is very correct.
See post #1359.
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Your reply was irrelevant to the statement made.
Everyone seems to say, "Other churches interpret the Bible, but we just read it for its plain meaning." None has a stronger claim than any other be reading it correctly.
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One needs to understand the verse, not take it literally.
xfrodobagginsx is very correct.
a) Those are the words of Jesus himself. If Mohammed had delegated his successor like this it would have avoided the Sunni/Shia split.
b) You want to explain to baggins that the bible is not to be taken literally?
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Yes. Indeed they are.
Those are too: This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. Mat 13:13
Not particularly no. Not in the affirmative, nor the not. Nor both.
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The prayer of St. Francis
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
where there is sadness, joy;
O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
St. Francis was born at Assisi in 1182. After a care free youth, he turned his back on inherited wealth and committed himself to God. Like many early saints, he lived a very simple life of poverty. He established the rule of St Francis, which exists today as the Order of St. Francis, or the Franciscans. He died in 1226, aged 44.
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It's a shame that ST Francis won't make it to Heaven, no doubt he tried and had the best intentions...but alas, he was a Catholic and had never heard the Gospel according to xfrodobagginsx. But God is cruel, and has no mercy on those unfortunate ones who lived before the Protestant enlightenment...no mercy on those who never learned to read the Greek and Aramaic scrolls, and yet still hoped in the Gospel...much less, any mercy on those heathens unfortunate enough to be born in a backwater rural village in Asia, South America, North America, Africa, Australia or the scattered islands of the seas...regardless of the desires in their hearts to be kind and loving to their neighbors while hoping in whatever name they called the Creator.
(Just trying to use a bit of irony to prod self-reflection about whether or not any of us has the final truth on anything)
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
where there is sadness, joy;
O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
St. Francis was born at Assisi in 1182. After a care free youth, he turned his back on inherited wealth and committed himself to God. Like many early saints, he lived a very simple life of poverty. He established the rule of St Francis, which exists today as the Order of St. Francis, or the Franciscans. He died in 1226, aged 44.
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It's a shame that ST Francis won't make it to Heaven, no doubt he tried and had the best intentions...but alas, he was a Catholic and had never heard the Gospel according to xfrodobagginsx. But God is cruel, and has no mercy on those unfortunate ones who lived before the Protestant enlightenment...no mercy on those who never learned to read the Greek and Aramaic scrolls, and yet still hoped in the Gospel...much less, any mercy on those heathens unfortunate enough to be born in a backwater rural village in Asia, South America, North America, Africa, Australia or the scattered islands of the seas...regardless of the desires in their hearts to be kind and loving to their neighbors while hoping in whatever name they called the Creator.
(Just trying to use a bit of irony to prod self-reflection about whether or not any of us has the final truth on anything)
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Interpreting the Bible with different opinions is one thing. Denying that the Bible is true is another. So are you saying that you believe that the Bible is God's word like ALL of these denominations that you listed in the stats believe?
No, I'm not. But I didn't list any stats.
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I deny the bible is true. Emphatically! A few bits here and there but for the most part either a fictionalized history of the Jewish people and their myths or commentaries on the few words known to be spoken by the itinerant preacher from Nazareth.
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So you mean the Christian Bible.
Do you deny the Jewish Bible as well?
Are you a Christian? or a Jew?
Just to see whether your denying is worth anything to begin with.
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This Wikipedia link below lists over 150 different versions of the Bible...and these are just the ones in English ! Just another example of how things are never so black and white as we might wish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Bible_translations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Bible_translations
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I think this is a nice description of Native American worship. Humans have in innate intuition regarding God. Often our words are different and we assume the other is wrong in their worship, but surely the Creator of all reads the intentions the heart...
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Ohiyesa, the Santee Dakota physician and author, speaks in 1911 about the manner in which his people worship.
In the life of the Indian there was only one inevitable duty - the duty of prayer - the daily recognition of the Unseen and Eternal. His daily devotions were more necessary to him than daily food. He wakes at daybreak, puts on his moccasins and steps down to the water’s edge. Here he throws handfuls of clear, cold water into his face, or plunges in bodily. After the bath, he stands erect before the advancing dawn, facing the sun as it dances upon the horizon, and offers his unspoken orison. His mate may precede or follow him in his devotion, but never accompany him. Each soul must meet the morning sun, the new sweet earth and the Great Silence alone!
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[ pg. 36, Touch The Earth - A Self-Portrait of Indian Existence 1971; T.C McLuhan, Outerbridge & Dienstfrey, New York - ISBN: 0-88770-038-4 ]
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Ohiyesa, the Santee Dakota physician and author, speaks in 1911 about the manner in which his people worship.
In the life of the Indian there was only one inevitable duty - the duty of prayer - the daily recognition of the Unseen and Eternal. His daily devotions were more necessary to him than daily food. He wakes at daybreak, puts on his moccasins and steps down to the water’s edge. Here he throws handfuls of clear, cold water into his face, or plunges in bodily. After the bath, he stands erect before the advancing dawn, facing the sun as it dances upon the horizon, and offers his unspoken orison. His mate may precede or follow him in his devotion, but never accompany him. Each soul must meet the morning sun, the new sweet earth and the Great Silence alone!
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[ pg. 36, Touch The Earth - A Self-Portrait of Indian Existence 1971; T.C McLuhan, Outerbridge & Dienstfrey, New York - ISBN: 0-88770-038-4 ]
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Interpreting the Bible with different opinions is one thing. Denying that the Bible is true is another. So are you saying that you believe that the Bible is God's word like ALL of these denominations that you listed in the stats believe?
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