How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Tryharder62]

Yeah, exactly. Heaven and Earth are still here, so that long, boring as shit book in the Pentateuch, the one called Leviticus, all that shit is still on the books, and yet here you are, not having been stoned or otherwise executed. According to your scripture, your pass on the LAW is only after your temporal existence is done.
And as far as your temporal existence goes, you'd still be under a death warrant if bible law was enforced as secular law.

So fail.


Yeah, I have. The only reason the delusions of those who claim to "feel the touch of..whatever" get a pass is because religion has always gotten a pass. If it wasn't for the undeserved respect society accords religions, those involved would be correctly diagnosed as mentally ill and (hopefully) given appropriated therapy so they could start living in reality as opposed to their delusions.

Yeah, and we're a bit to old to be believing in Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, or any other fairy tales or myths that have talking animals, events that are demonstrably shown to have never happened (like a world-wide flood), or magic/miracles. Yet, here you are, on a PORN site, trying to defend exactly that.
So grow up, you're not a child any more.

BTW, I don't give a shit if I have your respect. You're an anonymous person on a porn site.

Oh, and the reason I get angry is because there are far to many "people of faith" (and no, it doesn't matter which religion or denomination) who gladly give money, time and energy to those who would happily turn their version of "God's Will" into secular law to be enforced by secular power.

We did that already in the western world. It was called the "Dark Ages" for a reason.

Religion is in direct opposition to individuality, reason, democracy, freedom of thought, freedom of expression, freedom of association, pretty much everything that has been fought and struggled for, and its people like yourself who support ideologies that run contrary to that same freedom and individual liberty.

And it's all in the name of a 'god' you cannot produce so you can avoid, in your abject fear, a "hell" that also cannot be demonstrated, but will gladly turn a blind eye to those who can and will make others miserable because they don't conform to what some fuckwad says is "god's will".

I've lived in a theocracy, and I'll oppose and fight anyone who thinks that "faith" is anything good or that any religion is worthy of any respect.
So fuck your faith and fuck your religion.

Couldn't give a fly's fart about your "sin". I'm trying to point out your outright hypocrisy.

Right, Jesus forgives you so you can continue acting like a hypocrite, yet allow yourself to think you're a "good" person.

Ok. You got me. I still believe in Santa Clause. Well Saint Nicholas really. Not the guy who tries to give toys to all the kids around the world, but the real one that gave to those who needed. Ah the wonder of helping people. I do not believe in the tooth fairy though.

What your rant says is that I can only participate in secular law if I believe like you do. Oh that sounds like freedom and individual liberty. In America, people founded this country so that one could believe whatever they wanted without interference from the government. I am sorry you have lived under different circumstances. I can't even imagine.

I don't fear hell. I am in a thread that is debating this subject not spilling it all over the boards. I am not trying to shove my opinion down your throat. I also don't think of myself as a "good" person. I am just a person. Trying to get through the day with all the trials and tribulations that a person goes through. I have never heard God speak to me audibly. He has never appeared to me in a vision. You're right I had a feeling. A feeling of peace when I asked for help.

 

[Tryharder62]

That may be open to interpretation. I assume this is more likely in reference to coming on her not in her. God may demand creampie. Swallowing may be acceptable for good Christian women. Masturbation may or may not be a sin for females. Might have to look that up. But as women are the main vessels of sin, I assume masturbation, unhealthy sexual appetites, and wantonness are assumed.

Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother's wife and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his. So whenever he went in to his brother's wife he would waste the semen on the ground, so as not to give offspring to his brother. And what he did was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.

Ohh you got me there. I always thought God was unhappy because Onan did not produce offspring not about him spilling his seed on the ground. You got Check and Mate!!!!

 

[Hard_Rom]

Ohh you got me there. I always thought God was unhappy because Onan did not produce offspring not about him spilling his seed on the ground. You got Check and Mate!!!!

That would be the logical rationalization or the moral of the fable. But is not very funny and has little to with erotica. A bit maybe.

Old Testaments got some raunchy stuff in it. Alex was a big Old and New Testament reader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa12tvOTQx8

You got maids and sister-in-laws as acceptable to have relations with. Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale is an exceptionally good read.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Now I know why you're posting here: you've probably already been laughed off other forums.

You've come to the right place. We love laughing at the clowns.

Actually, a large percentage of people who read this thread accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Those who laugh aren't laughing at me, they are laughing at God's plan of Salvation and will have to answer to Him if they do not repent and turn to Jesus Christ for salvation.

 

[eyerami]

Actually, a large percentage of people who read this thread accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

When you preach "large", what "percentage" are you actually imagining?

And what about your fellow Bubble Gum Christian Machine mate who insists that all one has to do is "believe", and preaches nothing about that "accept" thing of yours, and also teaches that your god doesn't even ask us to love him?

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

Actually, a large percentage of people who read this thread accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Those who laugh aren't laughing at me, they are laughing at God's plan of Salvation and will have to answer to Him if they do not repent and turn to Jesus Christ for salvation.

So you're shitty at math as well as science.

Your poll from this thread:

45 NO

9 YES
23 Already YES (kinda redundant since you already have a yes option).

9+23=32

45 > 32

(Again, since you're shitty at math, that symbol between the 45 and 32 means "GREATER THAN"...FYI).

 

[EllieTalbot]

Provide evidence of a heaven.

Provide evidence of a hell.

Then provide evidence that what you're recommending is the way to either one.

Then provide the wise reasons why your god requires whatever it is you've been told he requires, and why I shouldn't think this whole thing isn't just the result of fevered human beings who are afraid to die and would buy into anything in order to believe that everyone they've ever loved and lost is waiting for them in an ill-defined paradise where they'll exist in perfection forever, and that all it takes to get there is a simple act of "faith" which will rule - often horribly - the only life they actually have.

Then I'll consider it.

Really in Reality,
Ellie

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

When you preach "large", what "percentage" are you actually imagining?

And what about your fellow Bubble Gum Christian Machine mate who insists that all one has to do is "believe", and preaches nothing about that "accept" thing of yours, and also teaches that your god doesn't even ask us to love him?

At this site alone, more than 10%. That's significant.

Interesting you should call the Gospel of Jesus Christ Bubble Gum Christianity. That's the Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Argue with Him. BTW to know Him IS to love Him.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

http://i.imgur.com/sxRTz6j.jpg

 

[Christobal]

Provide evidence of a heaven.

Provide evidence of a hell.

Then provide evidence that what you're recommending is the way to either one.

Then provide the wise reasons why your god requires whatever it is you've been told he requires, and why I shouldn't think this whole thing isn't just the result of fevered human beings who are afraid to die and would buy into anything in order to believe that everyone they've ever loved and lost is waiting for them in an ill-defined paradise where they'll exist in perfection forever, and that all it takes to get there is a simple act of "faith" which will rule - often horribly - the only life they actually have.

Then I'll consider it.

Really in Reality,
Ellie

This is the basic problem with faith. People have it or don't. It can't ever be proved. Some people just believe in something that others don't understand because it just doesn't make logical sense.

I am talking about faith in anything or idea. For example, when I go to Las Vegas I get a feeling about what game I should play. I almost always win. Might be a little or a lot but I usually leave with more than I came with. I could never qualify why it works but if I go with my faith it works.

Aside from that-

My higher power seems to work for me. No matter how bad things are going something shows up to deliver me from the hole I am in.

I don't expect you to buy into that. Just use your tolerance to find some people do and that is OK.

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Provide evidence of a heaven.

Provide evidence of a hell.

Then provide evidence that what you're recommending is the way to either one.

Then provide the wise reasons why your god requires whatever it is you've been told he requires, and why I shouldn't think this whole thing isn't just the result of fevered human beings who are afraid to die and would buy into anything in order to believe that everyone they've ever loved and lost is waiting for them in an ill-defined paradise where they'll exist in perfection forever, and that all it takes to get there is a simple act of "faith" which will rule - often horribly - the only life they actually have.

Then I'll consider it.

Really in Reality,
Ellie

It's amazing that there are people out there that think they're going to a place where their mom and dad are waiting for them. But their mom and dad are also going there to be with their mom and dad...and so on.

There's so much wrong with that concept. You want to spend time in heaven with your mom, but she tells you to piss off because she wants to spend time with her own mom...but her mom's mom wants to spend time with her own mom...and on and on.

Then there's the idea that anyone who asks for forgiveness and accepts Jesus can get into heaven:

https://i.imgur.com/jyeSagc.jpg

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

http://i.imgur.com/mV5NrEC.jpg

 

[neci]

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Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Baptism_-_Marcellinus_and_Peter.jpg

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

This is the basic problem with faith. People have it or don't. It can't ever be proved. Some people just believe in something that others don't understand because it just doesn't make logical sense.

I am talking about faith in anything or idea. For example, when I go to Las Vegas I get a feeling about what game I should play. I almost always win. Might be a little or a lot but I usually leave with more than I came with. I could never qualify why it works but if I go with my faith it works.

Aside from that-

My higher power seems to work for me. No matter how bad things are going something shows up to deliver me from the hole I am in.

I don't expect you to buy into that. Just use your tolerance to find some people do and that is OK.

I will say that sometimes the demonic realm will allow a person to do well in this life so that they are tricked into thinking that they don't need God. The devil doesn't care if you prosper in this life if he can get you to go to hell. That's his biggest goal.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

http://i.imgur.com/oEyONz3.jpg

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

I will say that sometimes the demonic realm will allow a person to do well in this life so that they are tricked into thinking that they don't need God. The devil doesn't care if you prosper in this life if he can get you to go to hell. That's his biggest goal.

Is the demonic realm closer to Muspelheim or Tartarus?

 

[Christobal]

I will say that sometimes the demonic realm will allow a person to do well in this life so that they are tricked into thinking that they don't need God. The devil doesn't care if you prosper in this life if he can get you to go to hell. That's his biggest goal.

OK I take back all I said about tolerance. This guy is a fucking nut job.

But for those that aren't buying it. Have some tolerance for those for those of us that believe something you don't and don't want to shove it down your throat.

 

[pollynova]

It's amazing that there are people out there that think they're going to a place where their mom and dad are waiting for them. But their mom and dad are also going there to be with their mom and dad...and so on.

There's so much wrong with that concept. You want to spend time in heaven with your mom, but she tells you to piss off because she wants to spend time with her own mom...but her mom's mom wants to spend time with her own mom...and on and on.

Then there's the idea that anyone who asks for forgiveness and accepts Jesus can get into heaven:

https://i.imgur.com/jyeSagc.jpg

In heaven, there is no such thing as time. A day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day. There is no waiting in heaven. Besides, won't you want to meet your mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom too?

 

[Tryharder62]

I was thinking maybe I would ask who killed JFK? I have no doubt that my mother is up there telling Jesus what to do. I can't see that changing. It all should be all OK for me. LOL

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

OK I take back all I said about tolerance. This guy is a fucking nut job.

But for those that aren't buying it. Have some tolerance for those for those of us that believe something you don't and don't want to shove it down your throat.

Shoving it down your throat would include clicking on a topic an expecting them to stop talking about it because you don't like the topic. Tolerance, is simply clicking on a different thread instead of invading the ones you don't like.

 

[Que]

Shoving it down your throat would include clicking on a topic an expecting them to stop talking about it because you don't like the topic. Tolerance, is simply clicking on a different thread instead of invading the ones you don't like.

Is that anything like invading a community that you know nothing about making no effort to reach out in a christ-like way to befriend or acknowledge or be supportive to anyone but simply come to rain fire and brimstone down upon us because it makes you feel better about your guilty conscience?

It is a public forum. You have no ownership of the thread or what is posted therein. If you are troubled by the answers you get, you should probably cease asking troubling questions.

Christ said he who is without sin should cast the first stone. You've been throwing a lot of rocks from your glass house little boy.

 

[Disgustipated]

Some fuckwaffles believe pretending to be somebody else pretending to be somebody else will fool Baby Jim Caviezel.

 

[daimoniotica]

...many advocates of Christianity, more zealous than wise, say more about the Bible and Christianity than is true, and attempt to prove points which do not admit of proof; and by their unguarded assertions, and their failures in argument, bring the truth itself into discredit. Others use unsound arguments in support of the truth, and when men discover the unsoundness of the arguments, they are led sometimes to suspect the soundness of the doctrine in behalf of which they are employed. The pious frauds of ancient and modern fanatics have proved a stumblingblock to thousands.

Albert Barnes says, "There is no class of men that are so liable to rely on weak and inconclusive reasonings as preachers of the Gospel. Many a young man in a Theological Seminary is on the verge of infidelity from the nature of the reasoning employed by his instructor in defence of that which is true, and which might be well defended: and many a youth in our congregation is almost or quite a skeptic, not because he wishes to be so, but because that which is true is supported by such worthless arguments."

Joseph Barker, Modern Skepticism: A Journey Through the Land of Doubt and Back Again/A Life Story, 1874

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Are you going to Heaven?

This passage was written to believers, not unbelievers:

2Co 5:6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

 

[Hypoxia]

I am Disputatius of Borg.
People gonna believe what they wanna believe.
Nobody is converted or assimilated.
Argument is futile.