Yank's Free Range Turkey Trot Warming House and Bondage Barn

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[Endless_Night]

Ok, look at etsy and nipplicious. They are different, inexpensive chains with a sort of plastic squeezy bit. How does that look? I also have other magnetic Jewellery which looks lighter but is also very pinchy, maybe more that those actual clamps.

Would either of these alternatives interest you?

Honestly, I do not know. I'll get on a look when I get the chance.

 

[midwestyankee]

I don't know what they are called, but they are magnetic if that helps the search. I'm just waiting for MWY now.

Glad you liked it Cumference. I bet you could make these beautifully. It's taken me a long time to post the promised picture because everytime we go to get a picture the nipple gets so shy.....

I came, I saw, I was conquered. Lovely, thank you.

 

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[Cumference]

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Glad you liked it Cumference. I bet you could make these beautifully. It's taken me a long time to post the promised picture because everytime we go to get a picture the nipple gets so shy.....

Waiting increases the pleasure when it is time for fulfillment!
Give my regards to the nipple for performing so nicely.


I have experimented with non-piercing nipple jewellery, and it is really hard to make a workable solution!
I will have to try to make some like those Aphroditiac has shown.

I don't know what they are called, but they are magnetic if that helps the search. I'm just waiting for MWY now.

Knowing what to search for makes it a lot easier to find them. A picture search for "magnetic nipple clamp" does the trick.

 

[Shankara20]

please do not quote this picture

I promised this here a while ago in relations to a converstation, I hope MWY and Cumference are both here to see it very soon.
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They saw it

Not sure why, but this conversation has me thinking about the discomfort of blue-balls...

...yearning for something you can't have - no longer available -

...let's all sing along - "there ain't no cure for love..."
(or is that "lust"? _ never was positive on that score...)

 

[midwestyankee]

I was just reading elsewhere on this fine forum and stumbled across the word "seduction." I was a little startled by my reaction to seeing it. Now, my first exposure to the concept of seduction was probably in the James Bond books or the articles in Playboy so my take on its connotations might be a bit old-fashioned. Still, it seems that seduction is what happens when a seller persuades a buyer to commit to a transaction that he or she might have preferred to avoid otherwise. Thus it seems like seduction is a manipulative act and not completely admirable unless you support Team Manhood and see a successful seduction as a win for your side.

How do you feel about the term "seduction" these days?

 

[MastersDelight]

I was just reading elsewhere on this fine forum and stumbled across the word "seduction." I was a little startled by my reaction to seeing it. Now, my first exposure to the concept of seduction was probably in the James Bond books or the articles in Playboy so my take on its connotations might be a bit old-fashioned. Still, it seems that seduction is what happens when a seller persuades a buyer to commit to a transaction that he or she might have preferred to avoid otherwise. Thus it seems like seduction is a manipulative act and not completely admirable unless you support Team Manhood and see a successful seduction as a win for your side.

How do you feel about the term "seduction" these days?

Seduction just seems outdated to me, I've replaced the term with flirt. Like you, the word seduction seems like a trap. "She seduced her boss into an affair."

Although I like your transaction analogy better .

I'm not articulate today.

 

[cookiecat]

I was just reading elsewhere on this fine forum and stumbled across the word "seduction." I was a little startled by my reaction to seeing it. Now, my first exposure to the concept of seduction was probably in the James Bond books or the articles in Playboy so my take on its connotations might be a bit old-fashioned. Still, it seems that seduction is what happens when a seller persuades a buyer to commit to a transaction that he or she might have preferred to avoid otherwise. Thus it seems like seduction is a manipulative act and not completely admirable unless you support Team Manhood and see a successful seduction as a win for your side.

How do you feel about the term "seduction" these days?

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I tripped over you after you stumbled across the word! In that particular context, it felt like the cliched notion of what it is a dominant does, although I don't believe that's how it was intended. My guess is the captain of the team views seduction as a pretty slick, powerful skill.

Being "seduced" does sound old fashioned. Preying on a vulnerability.

Is flirting less manipulative than seducing? I'd say yes, although you're still trying to tempt someone in to a certain outcome. Flirtation feels more fun, less serious than seduction.

 

[Endless_Night]

Seduced does have a slightly negative connotation. All those Bond films, possibly (). He did rather make a practice of seduce and run. Other things, too. As in Darth Vader being seduced by the dark side of The Force.

 

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[midwestyankee]

Interesting replies, so far, and I think that the contrast between my take and Elle's is instructive. To some extent, it used to be normal to view seduction though the lense of "the ends justify the means." In other words, "It wasn't really manipulative seduction because she enjoyed it." Millions of images of cinematic images of women resisting a forceful kiss and then melting into it have worked on our collective psyche to normalize that "But in the end she enjoyed it" defense. The reality is different, and I would posit that Elle was on the receiving end of thoughtful and loving persuasion and not the same sort of seduction that repulsed many of us. After all, her seducer stayed around for the long haul.

Where I sense that we could get into sketchy territory is in the idea that seduction is okay if the ends seemed positive in the short term.

Thoughts?

 

[LallyH]

Maybe I'm missing the point here but my interpretation of seduction is well thought out persuasion. Personally I wouldn't class the forceful clinch to which the unwilling woman succumbs in terms of being seduced.

My sister once told me about being 'seduced' by her future husband, who did have a reputation as a charmer of women. He took her to dinner, and she said that she noticed that he did very slight things such as guiding her by the arm, touching her lightly on her back, covering her hand for a moment then releasing it, all of which she felt was to make her aware of him and how much he wanted their evening to end in the way he intended.

She said that it worked by building up the contact in a non-threatening or coercive way throughout the meal so that by the end she was melting and a more than happy participant.

 

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[MastersDelight]

It just sounds like a lack of will power. Seduce. She was unwilling before but after she liked it, sounds...a little rapey to be honest. And not to mention a huge risk on the "seducers" part. What if he went along and she DIDN'T like it after?

When I hear that word I don't attach it to anything positive. I usually hear it used by men who feel they're superior in their sexual prowess. I like confidence but that type of self aggrandizing and posturing dries me up like the Sahara. What Lally, describes is much more appealing. I dunno, maybe I'm too young to have experienced being "seduced". * shrugs *

 

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[MastersDelight]

Well, i don't thing seduction and self aggrandising necessarily go hand in hand ( I wouldn't enjoy that either )


But rape and the non con references drawn by MWY.....hmm, I accept an element in that.. But.....outside of the RL example I gave.....that's not necesarily not attractive for fantasy at least. I know I am not the only one here to have admitted non con FANTASY. ( grr, editing out stuff I know would cross G's boundaries ).

I would say seduction, for me, what subtle, and I found I was quite..surprised, by my reaction. Where as flirt is more fun, more overt, can also be self aggrandising, or not, playful...sometimes, or repellent other times.....the this would be a similar line of the person doing it rather than the art/ game itself.

I can agree with that.

Don't get me wrong tho, I LOVE con non con, one of my favorites with Master actually. With anyone else...i have MAJOR issues submitting, they'd have a fight on their hands.

 

[cookiecat]

It just sounds like a lack of will power. Seduce. She was unwilling before but after she liked it, sounds...a little rapey to be honest. And not to mention a huge risk on the "seducers" part. What if he went along and she DIDN'T like it after?

When I hear that word I don't attach it to anything positive. I usually hear it used by men who feel they're superior in their sexual prowess. I like confidence but that type of self aggrandizing and posturing dries me up like the Sahara. What Lally, describes is much more appealing. I dunno, maybe I'm too young to have experienced being "seduced". * shrugs *

The original question sprung from a post in the Talk section where the poster felt he seduced women in to bdsm with his powerful voice, aggressive moves:

In my opinion in order to seduce a woman into bdsm you have to take over her mind and build trust. When the time is right you demand what you want with supreme confidence and make her feel like you're her protector.

I appreciate his confidence and his willingness to start a thread about the subject.

But I have to agree with MastersDelight, there's something about seduction in this situation that feels really negative. In the James Bond context (or think Christian Grey?) I'm mindless. Powerless against this supreme confidence.

There are levels of seduction for sure. Seduction can be sexy. Thoughtful. As in Elle or Lally's examples. But it also feels scary. Little Red Riding Hood.

I do think the poster of the other thread's intentions seem honorable in a weird way. I mentioned it earlier, but it felt like he's buying in to that cliched version of bdsm. The dominant white knight will sweep in to see in to my soul, read my mind, I'll be powerless to his charms, I'll melt at his voice, and I'm willed to serve.

 

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[cookiecat]

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Do I 'aggressively ' seduce , no. But I am a hopeless flirt too! But I do put my make up on, dab something that smells good on me, and think about how he wants me to look. Is that not too seduction of sort?

Earlier, MastersDelight referenced flirting as this generation's form of seduction. But I'm not sure if you're seducing G or if you're just pleasing him.

In seducing someone, there is intent for an outcome. Persuasion. Coercion? The seducer is intentionally doing something (touching your arm, telling you "my what big eyes you have") in order to get something from you.

Flirting feels less deliberate. More in the moment.

I think the difference is intent of outcome.

 

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[cookiecat]

^^^^ haha Elle! You seductress, you!

 

[midwestyankee]

I really don't have anything more substantive to say about this that cookiecat hasn't already posted. Good stuff all the way around.

 

[cookiecat]

I really don't have anything more substantive to say about this that cookiecat hasn't already posted. Good stuff all the way around.

Discussions! I love 'em!

By the way, I clicked on a link I'd never clicked on... the "New and Improved Shameless Plug" thread and wouldn't you know, the second post on the last page was a link to your story, mwy. Ribbons.

Very.. umm... seductive.

I enjoyed it very much.

 

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