San Bernadino

[Colonel Hogan]

I think it's less absurd than you're making it out to be. To absurd to be worth it? Yes bu tI don't think the military would whole sale jump ship. Not all of us are hardcore Righties.

Besides as I recall a fair amount of us are sufficiently rules as written guys that they'd understand that a 2/3rds vote to overturn the Constitution would make anybody against it a traitor. Which regardless of right or wrong would still be the truth. If Obama made close friends with Kilgrave (Go watch Jessica Jones) and got 2/3rds of the US to vote to replace the 1st amendment, outlaw Christianity and replace it with Obamanism! (It's like Communism and Islam with Black Supremacy) you'd still be a traitor for not defending the Constitution. Now in that extreme a case I think the fall off would be higher but still.

LMFAO!! Yeah, I know you're talking about a revolt by the military, but that's not the point.

Two words: illegal drugs.

So much for written rules. And dope never had a 200 year legacy of Constitutional protection. And speaking of Constitutional prohibition and all us "rules as written" citizens, how did Prohibition itself work out?

If the Feds can't find your stash hidden at the bottom of the sugar canister in the kitchen do you really think they're going to come looking for your guns? And do you really not think that such a Constitutional Amendment would be the most widely defied law since those prohibiting pot?

Besides, it doesn't matter if your name contains a dozen vowels and you wish to kill infidels or you're known only by your first and middle initials and you hunt abortion doctors for a hobby -- whatever your motivation is for having your piece pried from your cold dead fingers, well, then CDF, motherfucker!

 

[snugglestruggle]

I actually misinterpreted your initial post, thinking it was about stigma re the mentally ill. I was wrong; you're not one of those people.

You're actually raising a good point, I haven't thought of that. If I understood you correctly, my interpretation of what you're saying is that this could have well been one of the contributory factors. Aka the v. rare but severe side effects or idiosyncratic reactions that you described (restlessness causing anger, anxiety etc. general physical ill-being) could have increased the misery of those who were already prone (psychologically for # reasons)to such acts, making it easier for them to be pushed over the edge etc…
And as you pointed out (in an unrelated but somehow similar matter), for ex., there are increased warnings on the net about the increased risk of suicidality in teens who get started on certain antidepressants.

On the other hand: I'm stil not 100% with you on that. How would we know for certain that those idiosyncratic reactions or severe side effects happened to Them (the shooters), in particular? No clear evidence for that.

When you look at the drug companies own disclosure of side effects ,regardless if how rare or uncommon, they could push someone in that rare or uncommon percentile over the edge.

If people want to close their eyes and stick to their political dogma or as Eyer would say stick their head in the sand or sniff unicorn farts, that's their choice. It's a complicated, multi cause issue.


Antidepressants may have a role in inducing worsening of depression and the emergence of suicidality in certain patients during the early phases of treatment. An increased risk of suicidal thinking and behavior in children, adolescents, and young adults (aged 18 to 24 years) with major depressive disorder (MDD) and other psychiatric disorders has been reported with short-term use of antidepressant drugs.


Adult and pediatric patients receiving antidepressants for MDD, as well as for psychiatric and nonpsychiatric indications, have reported symptoms that may be precursors to emerging suicidality, including anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness, impulsivity, akathisia, hypomania, and mania. Causality has not been established.[Ref]

Very common (10% or more): Anxiety, insomnia, nervousness

Common (1% to 10%): Abnormal dreams, disturbance in attention, emotional lability, feeling abnormal, restlessness, sleep disorder, tension, thinking abnormal

Uncommon (0.1% to 1%): Akathisia, apathy, bruxism, depersonalization, elevated mood, euphoria, hostility, intentional overdose, manic reaction, neurosis, paranoid reaction, personality disorder, psychomotor hyperactivity, psychosis, suicide attempt

Rare (less than 0.1%): Agitation, antisocial reaction, delusions, hallucinations, hypomania, intentional injury, mania, panic attacks, stupor
Frequency not reported: Dysphemia, suicidal thoughts and behavior
Postmarketing reports: Confusion, violent behaviors[Ref]

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Thanks for the link. Now you can SFTU.

Like getting blood from a stone but at last some thing at least quotable.

One suspect's name is Syed Farook, sources say

Two law enforcement sources identified one of the suspects in the San Bernardino shooting as Syed Farook.

According to public records, a Syed R. Farook worked as an environmental health specialist for San Bernardino County. It's unclear whether that is the same person connected to the attack. The shooting occurred at an event for the county's public health department.

Two other federal law enforcement sources, while not revealing the name of the suspect they were referring to, said he was an American citizen.

-- Richard Serrano and Richard Winton

So now might be a disgruntled employee turned terrorist. Always said it could have been terrorists. Was just not willing to take the word of racist righty gun nuts. You can understand my point.

What are you pissed at me for? I just provided you with a link you kept asking for to a name you apparently were having trouble finding.

I just couldn't understand why you would have trouble finding it.

I just found another link that identifies Farook as one of the dead guys.

But I wouldn't take my word for it. But neither do I think I'll give you this one.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVRXAS_WsAAQVRE.jpg

Always in effect.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Why exactly should he substantiate something that most know and can be easily looked up?

Because of your pathetic excuse of a father's lengthy history of lack of truthfulness. Lying comes second nature to him. You might recall he even lied to you about the number of dead siblings you have....you were literally the last person on this board to learn you had a second dead brother.

The whole board knows you are a racist fat peice of shit who lost his wife and children because they couldn't stand you anymore. There is no need to substantiate the well documented...

You seem very angry lately. Everything okay at home? I've heard how the holidays can be stressful when there's not much money coming in....I hope you're not taking your frustrations out on your lovely daughters.

 

[Wrong Element]

I'll ask the same question about antidepressants that I did earlier about the suspicion that day care is somehow to blame for mass shootings in the U.S.: are these drugs used so much more often in this country as opposed to other countries?

 

[Sean Renaud]

LMFAO!! Yeah, I know you're talking about a revolt by the military, but that's not the point.

Two words: illegal drugs.

So much for written rules. And dope never had a 200 year legacy of Constitutional protection. And speaking of Constitutional prohibition and all us "rules as written" citizens, how did Prohibition itself work out?

If the Feds can't find your stash hidden at the bottom of the sugar canister in the kitchen do you really think they're going to come looking for your guns? And do you really not think that such a Constitutional Amendment would be the most widely defied law since those prohibiting pot?

Besides, it doesn't matter if your name contains a dozen vowels and you wish to kill infidels or you're known only by your first and middle initials and you hunt abortion doctors for a hobby -- whatever your motivation is for having your piece pried from your cold dead fingers, well, then CDF, motherfucker!

And under age drinking goes rampant as well and a few other things. So point made.

I'm genuinely unaware in the military (at large) helping break prohibition or the drug war. I imagine they weren't involved overmuch though I guess they could have helped with smuggling then and now.

I wasn't suggesting the military would come bursting in looking for your guns or saying that they should. I had misread Bot which was my bust but my point was I don't think if the people held a Constitutional Convention and successfully repealed (well technically added a new one) the 2nd Amendment that the Military deciding "FUCK THAT WE'RE OUT!" would really be that big of a threat. I mean changing the Constitution is nigh impossible but I imagine that when it does happen that the simple numbers necessary to do it means that it's got overwhelming support. In the hypothetical case of guns I can't imagine that not being a record turn out of American voters either. That's not some shit you could slip in during a mid term and hope nobody was paying attention.

 

[alphaduc]

Council on American-Islamic Relations is holding a press conference now condemning the actions of the shooters.

 

[snugglestruggle]

If history holds true to form Obama will call it a case of work place violence, not terrorism. You know if there is a mooselamb connection.

 

[allateup]

Council on American-Islamic Relations is holding a press conference now condemning the actions of the shooters.

Wow. Big surprise from the Muslim Bros.

Taqiya

The term taqiyya (Arabic: تقیة‎ taqiyyah/taqīyah) is derived from the Arabic triliteral root wāw-qāf-yā, denoting "fear", or "prudence, guarding against (a danger)".[10] Term taqwa "piety" (lit. "fear [of God]") is from the same root.[11] The term is derived from the Quranic reference to religious dissimulation in Sura 3:28:

"Let not the believers take the unbelievers for protectors rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully (illā an tattaqū minhum tuqāt)."

The two words tattaqū ("you fear") and tuqāt "in fear" are derived from this root, and the abstract noun taqiyyah refers to the general principle connected with the situation described here, first recorded in a Qur'anic gloss by Al-Bukhari (9th century).[12]

Regarding 3:28, Ibn Kathir writes, "meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly." He quotes Muhammad's companion, Abu Ad-Darda', who said "we smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them," and Al-Hasan who said "the Tuqyah is acceptable till the Day of Resurrection."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

 

[alphaduc]

Second shooter named by LEO's. He's a Muslim too.

 

[Aella_]

Gosh, if this was proven to be true (that they were muslim terorrists who were also US citizens), I really feel for the innocent muslims who live in the States.
Can you imagine the cautioussness, or fear and even hostility towards american muslims that might possibly follow this event?
And this time (as opposed to before or the 9/11, when the attacks came from outsiders) I wouldn't be able to place full blame on the fear mongerers. When the enemy was proven to have come from within, some people go into survival mode.

 

[Aglaopheme]

If history holds true to form Obama will call it a case of work place violence, not terrorism. You know if there is a mooselamb connection.

Well geesh the guy did work there.

Did the cat work at the Planned Parenthood in CO? Come on.

Telling that CAIR held a press conference condemning the horrendous attack within hours, and the pro-lifers have been mute for the most part.

 

[allateup]

Actually, the most peculiar thing about the entire incident as I've read about it so far is the reports(s) of one of the shooters first coming to the party, having contentious words with someone(s) at the party, leaving the party, and then coming back and he and another indiscriminately mowing so many down.

What's truly peculiar about it is that the perps were obviously well prepared for some assault beforehand, anyway - whether it was at that locale today or another place at another time.

No doubt the key lies in what exactly the initial disagreement at the party was all about. Without that initial disagreement, it reads like a jihadi hit, but that that disagreement occurred definitely puts some smell into that theory (unless it was another jihadi who wanted to back out).

Verrrrrrrry interesting...

 

[Wrong Element]

When the enemy was proven to have come from within, some people go into survival mode.

Plenty of American citizens have been responsible for mass killings this calendar year alone.

Ask yourselves why the reaction to this one incident seems to be so very different.

 

[snugglestruggle]

I'll ask the same question about antidepressants that I did earlier about the suspicion that day care is somehow to blame for mass shootings in the U.S.: are these drugs used so much more often in this country as opposed to other countries?

This country is over medicated and it's pill happy.

 

[Aglaopheme]

I've said it before and I'll say it again the right has mastered the messaging. They tug on your heart strings very well. They've cornered that market in your being that you feel sets you apart from others and the facts can't penetrate that protective covering.

Again, it's sad because you've blinded yourselves to the wonderment of the world that exists outside of your tiny box.

 

[allateup]

Ask yourselves why the reaction to this one incident seems to be so very different.

You've looked in the mirror and asked yourself already...right?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

You've looked in the mirror and asked yourself already...right?

Verrrrrrrry interesting...

 

[snugglestruggle]

Well geesh the guy did work there.

Did the cat work at the Planned Parenthood in CO? Come on.

Telling that CAIR held a press conference condemning the horrendous attack within hours, and the pro-lifers have been mute for the most part.

Ok so if that holds true Obama is 1 for 2 (The FT. Hood shooting was no act of work place violence)

Actually, the most peculiar thing about the entire incident as I've read about it so far is the reports(s) of one of the shooters first coming to the party, having contentious words with someone(s) at the party, leaving the party, and then coming back and he and another indiscriminately mowing so many down.

What's truly peculiar about it is that the perps were obviously well prepared for some assault beforehand, anyway - whether it was at that locale today or another place at another time.

No doubt the key lies in what exactly the initial disagreement at the party was all about. Without that initial disagreement, it reads like a jihadi hit, but that that disagreement occurred definitely puts some smell into that theory (unless it was another jihadi who wanted to back out).

Verrrrrrrry interesting...

Perhaps it was a false Pre-text?, incase he was taken alive. " They harassed me because I was mooselamb".

 

[allateup]

I've said it before and I'll say it again the right has mastered the messaging. They tug on your heart strings very well. They've cornered that market in your being that you feel sets you apart from others and the facts can't penetrate that protective covering.

Again, it's sad because you've blinded yourselves to the wonderment of the world that exists outside of your tiny box.

You are one of the most partisan pieces of shit on this Board - you should well remember that "fact" when you feel the worthless need to pontificate to anyone else about their "tiny box".

 

[Aella_]

Plenty of American citizens have been responsible for mass killings this calendar year alone.

Ask yourselves why the reaction to this one incident seems to be so very different.

On an intellectual level, I agree with you (especially given the fact that I am an immigrant so I relate a bit more to 1st. or 3rd. generation americans).
And that might have also hold true especially if it happened, say, 20 years ago.

But judging from my own reaction: As a layperson (who has some understanding but not a lot about current events) the impression that I get from the news, is that the ISIS thing keeps escalationg. And even if I'm kinda removed from it all (being in Au), I still have some sort of emotional reaction and I selectively tend to the ISIS/muslim news. I imagine that people who are more close to it all are even more focused on it (or even paranoid), than I would be.

 

[snugglestruggle]

I've said it before and I'll say it again the right has mastered the messaging. They tug on your heart strings very well. They've cornered that market in your being that you feel sets you apart from others and the facts can't penetrate that protective covering.

Again, it's sad because you've blinded yourselves to the wonderment of the world that exists outside of your tiny box.

You really don't know the left from the right , do you?

The left is always saying DO _____ for the children. They run rings around the right when it comes to propaganda.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

You are one of the most partisan pieces of shit on this Board - you should well remember that "fact" when you feel the worthless need to pontificate to anyone else about their "tiny box".

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/61511329.jpg

Just yap yap yapping his mouth...

 

[Sean Renaud]

You really don't know the left from the right , do you?

The left is always saying DO _____ for the children. They run rings around the right when it comes to propaganda.

No, everybody ever says that. The left is really inferior at branding and I wish we weren't so terrible. I mean really and I wish we as a collective had scrotums and backbones. If the left had one tenth the testicular fortitude or spinal stability of the right this would be a vastly different country.