At least 11 Dead in Paris

New York Times Reports On Muslim Proselytizing During Charlie Hebdo Attack, Then Deletes It











When Islamic terrorists expressly tell their victims why they’re being attacked, our mainstream media will do anything to cover it up. They’ll change the subject, they’ll blame the victims… they’ll even stealth-edit their own copy.

Here’s the latest example of the New York Times censoring itself to avoid offending Muslims after an act of Islamic terror. This morning, BenK at Ace of Spades quoted an NYT story by Liz Alderman titled “Survivors Retrace a Scene of Horror at Charlie Hebdo.” Take note of these two paragraphs from that story:



Sigolène Vinson, a freelancer who had decided to come in that morning to take part in the meeting, thought she would be killed when one of the men approached her.


Instead, she told French news media, the man said, “I’m not going to kill you because you’re a woman, we don’t kill women, but you must convert to Islam, read the Quran and cover yourself,” she recalled.

I was intrigued by this quote, and it seemed worth exploring, so I went to the NYT story to quote it. But guess what?




Here’s what it says now:


Sigolène Vinson, a freelance journalist who had come in that morning to take part in the meeting, said that when the shooting started, she thought she would be killed.


Ms. Vinson said in an interview that she dropped to the floor and crawled down the hall to hide behind a partition, but one of the gunmen spotted her and grabbed her by the arm, pointing his gun at her head. Instead of pulling the trigger, though, he told her she would not be killed because she was a woman.


“Don’t be afraid, calm down, I won’t kill you,” the gunman told her in a steady voice, with a calm look in his eyes, she recalled. “You are a woman. But think about what you’re doing. It’s not right.”


Nothing about telling her to convert to Islam. Nothing about telling her to read the Quran. Nothing about telling her to cover her face.

Nothing about the very reason these animals did this.

So, imagine yourself as an NYT editor for a moment, if you can withstand the nausea. Why would you specifically take out the part about the Islamic terrorist proselytizing for Islam in the middle of the terrorist attack? Why delete this woman’s account of being threatened at gunpoint and being told to convert to Islam?

That’s easy. Because you’re one of America’s moral, ethical, and intellectual betters, and you don’t want it to be true. Your reporter hastily left that inconvenient truth in her story by accident, so you airbrushed it out, without any acknowledgment, to preserve the narrative. You turned it into, “Hey, maybe these guys aren’t so bad after all. They didn’t kill the women, right? Let’s not be too hasty.”

Because that’s your job.

The New York Times is garbage.
 
New York Times Reports On Muslim Proselytizing During Charlie Hebdo Attack, Then Deletes It











When Islamic terrorists expressly tell their victims why they’re being attacked, our mainstream media will do anything to cover it up. They’ll change the subject, they’ll blame the victims… they’ll even stealth-edit their own copy.

Here’s the latest example of the New York Times censoring itself to avoid offending Muslims after an act of Islamic terror. This morning, BenK at Ace of Spades quoted an NYT story by Liz Alderman titled “Survivors Retrace a Scene of Horror at Charlie Hebdo.” Take note of these two paragraphs from that story:



Sigolène Vinson, a freelancer who had decided to come in that morning to take part in the meeting, thought she would be killed when one of the men approached her.


Instead, she told French news media, the man said, “I’m not going to kill you because you’re a woman, we don’t kill women, but you must convert to Islam, read the Quran and cover yourself,” she recalled.

I was intrigued by this quote, and it seemed worth exploring, so I went to the NYT story to quote it. But guess what?




Here’s what it says now:


Sigolène Vinson, a freelance journalist who had come in that morning to take part in the meeting, said that when the shooting started, she thought she would be killed.


Ms. Vinson said in an interview that she dropped to the floor and crawled down the hall to hide behind a partition, but one of the gunmen spotted her and grabbed her by the arm, pointing his gun at her head. Instead of pulling the trigger, though, he told her she would not be killed because she was a woman.


“Don’t be afraid, calm down, I won’t kill you,” the gunman told her in a steady voice, with a calm look in his eyes, she recalled. “You are a woman. But think about what you’re doing. It’s not right.”


Nothing about telling her to convert to Islam. Nothing about telling her to read the Quran. Nothing about telling her to cover her face.

Nothing about the very reason these animals did this.

So, imagine yourself as an NYT editor for a moment, if you can withstand the nausea. Why would you specifically take out the part about the Islamic terrorist proselytizing for Islam in the middle of the terrorist attack? Why delete this woman’s account of being threatened at gunpoint and being told to convert to Islam?

That’s easy. Because you’re one of America’s moral, ethical, and intellectual betters, and you don’t want it to be true. Your reporter hastily left that inconvenient truth in her story by accident, so you airbrushed it out, without any acknowledgment, to preserve the narrative. You turned it into, “Hey, maybe these guys aren’t so bad after all. They didn’t kill the women, right? Let’s not be too hasty.”

Because that’s your job.

The New York Times is garbage.


I am surprised he touched her.
 
I wonder when the fog of denial that is distorting the sight of western civilization is going to blow away and we begin to confront Islam for what it is? Every time a horrific act like this occurs the usual suspects trot out their mantra's of "Islam is a religion of peace" in spite of 1300 years of history to the contrary. Or "not all Muslim's are terrorists", which is true on the surface. But huge numbers of those non-terrorists are enablers of terrorism.

Every act of conciliation on the part of the apologists have been met with escalating acts of terrorism. Rather than being placated they have been emboldened even further. Yet many of us, and way too many holding the reins of power continue to try to walk the path of Chamberlain.

When is the West going to shake off this lethargy and realize that we are at war and treat it as such?

Ishmael

I don't know what the MSM is reporting, but I just turned on FOX and they are hitting on everything I talked about before like no-go zones and the learned attitude on incarceration of the Left.
 
I don't know what the MSM is reporting, but I just turned on FOX and they are hitting on everything I talked about before like no-go zones and the learned attitude on incarceration of the Left.

You must be feelin' especially validated today, then. Why not take your family out for pizza tonight? :cool:
 
Why did they alter story

Because they didn't want to inflame anti moslem sentiment maybe?
I don't understand why our media reports as it does, they do it on a lot of issues. They are suppose to report the news not be a political mouth piece, leave that to the opinion or satire writers.

I'll bet they altered the touching part too.
 
I don't know what the MSM is reporting, but I just turned on FOX and they are hitting on everything I talked about before like no-go zones and the learned attitude on incarceration of the Left.


There are no go areas in most cities. I remember one in London, all "black" ie. southeast asian, ones in Berlin, then there is Boston, Chicago, New York, LA...
It's down to the color of your skin or country of ancestral origin.

I remember going with two irish housemates to south Boston to see the St. Patrick's Day parade and getting serious crap from locals, my house mates-one from Belfast and the other Dublin just let them have it. They were taken aback.
 
France did not launch the crusades. They were launched in 1096 by Pope Urban. The support came from the areas which now make up southern Germany and other adjacent states which did not come under French control for 400 years

At the time of the crusades there were no Nation States in Europe. Political power was solely in the hands of great dynasties bound by personal loyalty to an overlord, not statehood.

It was the Franks who answered the call. The Germans were very much later. As you said, they were only a disparate group of principalities...


A general call was sent out to the knights and nobles of France. Urban apparently knew in advance of the day that Raymond IV of Toulouse was prepared to take up arms. Urban himself spent a few months preaching the Crusade in France, while papal legates spread the word in the south of Italy, during which time the focus presumably turned from helping Alexios to taking Jerusalem. Urban's letter to the faithful "waiting in Flanders" laments that Turks, in addition to ravaging the "churches of God in the eastern regions," have seized "the Holy City of Christ, embellished by his passion and resurrection—and blasphemy to say it—have sold her and her churches into abominable slavery." Yet he does not explicitly call for the reconquest of Jerusalem. Rather he explicitly calls for the military "liberation" of the Eastern Churches and appoints Adhemar of Le Puy to lead the Crusade, to set out on the day of the Assumption of Mary, 15 August.[65] Pope Urban's speech ranks as one of the most influential speeches ever, launching holy wars that occupied the minds and forces of western Europe for 200 years before their ultimate failure.[66]
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But I have been reading Armstrong and another history lately, so I knew this.
 
There are no go areas in most cities. I remember one in London, all "black" ie. southeast asian, ones in Berlin, then there is Boston, Chicago, New York, LA...
It's down to the color of your skin or country of ancestral origin.

I remember going with two irish housemates to south Boston to see the St. Patrick's Day parade and getting serious crap from locals, my house mates-one from Belfast and the other Dublin just let them have it. They were taken aback.

Uh, yeah. Not here in flyover country. Not even in Ferguson.
 
There are no go areas in most cities. I remember one in London, all "black" ie. southeast asian, ones in Berlin, then there is Boston, Chicago, New York, LA...
It's down to the color of your skin or country of ancestral origin.

...

No go areas in London? I don't know of any.

But then I'm not a gang member or young enough to be seen as a threat. Even at night club closing times I have walked past drunken groups facing nothing more than some light-hearted raillery.
 
Because they didn't want to inflame anti moslem sentiment maybe?
I don't understand why our media reports as it does, they do it on a lot of issues. They are suppose to report the news not be a political mouth piece, leave that to the opinion or satire writers.

I'll bet they altered the touching part too.

They didn't

Why

What does that tell you:confused:
 
Instead, she told French news media, the man said, “I’m not going to kill you because you’re a woman, we don’t kill women, but you must convert to Islam, read the Quran and cover yourself,” she recalled.


Here’s what it says now:


“Don’t be afraid, calm down, I won’t kill you,” the gunman told her in a steady voice, with a calm look in his eyes, she recalled. “You are a woman. But think about what you’re doing. It’s not right.”

Basic journalism says you do not imply a direct quote for a paraphrase. That isn't an edit, that is a fabrication
 
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No go areas in London? I don't know of any.

But then I'm not a gang member or young enough to be seen as a threat. Even at night club closing times I have walked past drunken groups facing nothing more than some light-hearted raillery.

Neither do I, and I lived there in the 70's/80's which were more violent than now.

Ok you had to be vigilant and careful in some areas, but, I wouldn't have described any of them as "no go".

Woof!
 
This thread has now generated almost 250 responses. But only one at 197 on page 8 has suggested a solution (colddiesel).

His solution is terrifying - literally so because it advocates a massive, deliberately over the top response aimed at the heart of Islam, Saudi Arabia. But is there any other kind of response which might work? Talking to these people won't work - In any case who do you talk to?

Small scale responses won't work either. Maybe a reprise of the 1492 solution would work. Ferdinand and Isabella evicted all the Moslems (and Jews) from Spain successfully. Proportionately, to evict all Moslems from Europe (and USA) would be a smaller task today.

A start might be to deny all social services, unemployment pay, and any kind of government benefit to any citizen not willing to acknowledge and affirm the national laws as the only applicable legal system.

Would any 'reasonable' solution work or will western governments eventually be forced to take 'unreasonable' actions?

What are your realistic solutions - not dreams - no more rants from either right or left, but realistic solutions?
 
Neither do I, and I lived there in the 70's/80's which were more violent than now.

Ok you had to be vigilant and careful in some areas, but, I wouldn't have described any of them as "no go".

Woof!

I lived in a 'rough' area of London in the late 1940s/early 1950s when razor gangs used to meet for territorial disputes.

Unless you were in one or other of those gangs, you could walk the streets at night safely.
 
It tells me that the killers were not very good fundamentalist Muslims if they touched a woman who was not a relative.

You disappoint me.....you can't be that dense

What does it tell you that the Times changed the story?
 
This thread has now generated almost 250 responses. But only one at 197 on page 8 has suggested a solution (colddiesel).

His solution is terrifying - literally so because it advocates a massive, deliberately over the top response aimed at the heart of Islam, Saudi Arabia. But is there any other kind of response which might work? Talking to these people won't work - In any case who do you talk to?

Small scale responses won't work either. Maybe a reprise of the 1492 solution would work. Ferdinand and Isabella evicted all the Moslems (and Jews) from Spain successfully. Proportionately, to evict all Moslems from Europe (and USA) would be a smaller task today.

A start might be to deny all social services, unemployment pay, and any kind of government benefit to any citizen not willing to acknowledge and affirm the national laws as the only applicable legal system.

Would any 'reasonable' solution work or will western governments eventually be forced to take 'unreasonable' actions?

What are your realistic solutions - not dreams - no more rants from either right or left, but realistic solutions?

Realistic solutions by necessity are going to be brutal and bloody.

As far as oaths and affirmations go, the fundamentalist Muslim is going to lie. As part of their faith, lying to an infidel or barbarian is NOT a sin. To them it's roughly akin to lying to a dog. Any ruse, betrayal, or lie is perfectly fine if it furthers their goals. A trait that makes them especially dangerous when attempting to deal with them on a diplomatic basis.

And it's not the Saudis that are the problem, it's their partners the Wahhabi's that are. Saudi Arabia is a bifurcated nation when it comes to governance. The royal family are the 'front men' and in reality have been good partners on the international scene, the Wahhabi's are the power behind the throne, the royal family deals with the secular, the Wahhabi's the divine. Should either side act against the other the kingdom will fall into anarchy and civil war. A state of affairs that no one wants to see except the fundamentalists. They will do anything to gain control of Mecca.

Getting back to dealing with the problem, because the fundamentalist will lie to avoid detection how do you know which Muslim is truly a Muslim that is content to live within the laws of the nation in which they reside?

Ishmael
 
Speaking of the meanings of words used by Muslims

We have a different meaning of words then they do

So when we hear the so called Moderate Muslims condemn the killings of innocent people



Their definition of innocent isn't the same as our definition
 
This thread has now generated almost 250 responses. But only one at 197 on page 8 has suggested a solution (colddiesel).

His solution is terrifying - literally so because it advocates a massive, deliberately over the top response aimed at the heart of Islam, Saudi Arabia. But is there any other kind of response which might work? Talking to these people won't work - In any case who do you talk to?

Small scale responses won't work either. Maybe a reprise of the 1492 solution would work. Ferdinand and Isabella evicted all the Moslems (and Jews) from Spain successfully. Proportionately, to evict all Moslems from Europe (and USA) would be a smaller task today.

A start might be to deny all social services, unemployment pay, and any kind of government benefit to any citizen not willing to acknowledge and affirm the national laws as the only applicable legal system.

Would any 'reasonable' solution work or will western governments eventually be forced to take 'unreasonable' actions?

What are your realistic solutions - not dreams - no more rants from either right or left, but realistic solutions?
in my opinion, there can be only two solutions.....only two.....

One, a complete capitulation to Islam And hope they will treat us kindly

Two, annihilation of Muslims in host countries....
 
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