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[Que]

Libertarians for sure...you lot are fucking nuts.

Atheists? Since when? LOL



No I don't...that's a complete fucking lie.

You must have missed my numerous Obama bashing fest including what a piece of shit I think ACA is, and the (D) bashing when it comes to gun control derp and throwing good money after bad in the education sector.

Ohhhhh RWCJ just tunes that shit out when you aren't lock step with limbaugh, brietbart and FOX of course.....



I have NEVER said only Republicans support big business, wall street and the MIC.....you LIAR LIAR...your pants are on fuckin' fire.



Oh do Cpt.Extreemest CRAZY what years EXACTLY did the Democrats control and or have a complete and total interest all of Wall St. AND the Military Industrial Complex....I want fucking dates because you're full of shit and I DEFY your ass to produce ANY evidence to support that that has EVER been the case.

2008-2010. Every penny spent then (and the budget we are still opperating under) was under the absolute control of the Democrats. Which defense programs did they shut down? How did GE fare under energ department loans? Solydra?

EVERY time the subject of the profligate spending of BOTH sides of the aisle you insist it is the Republicans, when in fact the Dems spend as much or more on their friends.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Bootay's Boiz meds kick in...on a posting frenzy

Eh...bout to go to bed, was a long ass night.

 

[Adre]

Yeah he and Adre were hollering the other day about 5% annualized growth rate as if it is 5% for the actual annual year. If it hits 7% for the final quarter it will be 5%...otherwise it is about 3-3.5%. Which is anemic 6 years after the end of the recession.

I hope one of these quarters he is actually right. Blind squirrel and all of that.

He does try hard every week or so to post something relevant. That should be encouraged.

Thankfully you were here to explain 'annualized' to us. I can't recall, did you also mention it was the strongest quarter of growth in eleven years? You know, since well before the Bush Recession. (If I stated that it was seventy degrees, would I be saying it was that temperature for the 'actual annual year?')

 

[Que]

Thankfully you were here to explain 'annualized' to us. I can't recall, did you also mention it was the strongest quarter of growth in eleven years? You know, since well before the Bush Recession. (If I stated that it was seventy degrees, would I be saying it was that temperature for the 'actual annual year?')

So how is the year so far? How does the year compare to other post recession recovery periods?

 

[BotanyBoy]

2008-2010. Every penny spent then (and the budget we are still opperating under) was under the absolute control of the Democrats.

Yet Wall st. banks and defense contractors STILL gave lions share of money to McCain and Romney both.

The REPUBLICANS still pushed for moar war in Iraq and tax breaks and loopholes for big banks to fuck their customers.

They were totally against all the democrat interest as well...HC, education, infrastructure and welfare. Spending on those thins is the PROBLEM right?

Which defense programs did they shut down?

Operation Iraqi Freedom.....then fuckhead Obama gave into the WHARRRR!!! crowd like a bag of worthless dicks.

How did GE fare under energ department loans? Solydra?

We are talking about mega banks and MIC.....

GE and Solydra are neither of those.

EVERY time the subject of the profligate spending of BOTH sides of the aisle you insist it is the Republicans,

No I don't....I insist the lions share of the Republicans interest are in the banking/MIC/oil/coal/tobacco sectors.

You say "But they are the same, just as corrupt!! Both spend the same!!"

And I say

"no it's not the same because (D) wants to at least pretend they are spending on Americans to improve their lives. You guys just want to start wars and poison the water supply!"

Then you say

"But they both spend the same amount so just as bad!"

And I say

"Not even close."

and you leave.

when in fact the Dems spend as much or more on their friends.

I have never disputed that.......not EVER. I dispute that what they spend on makes them NOT equal just based on intent.

You will just do anything for the RW not to be heavily invested in banking, locking citizens up, oil, coal, tabaccy and waging quasi holy wars in 3rd world shit holes.

Sorry, protecting the environment, fixing HC, infrastructure, education, seeking energy alternatives and ending endless money pit occupations of the middle east is evil commie stuff.

 

[Adre]

So how is the year so far? How does the year compare to other post recession recovery periods?

Strongest quarter in eleven years. Move the goalposts somewhere else.

 

[Que]

Strongest quarter in eleven years. Move the goalposts somewhere else.

The "goal post" is year to year recovery. A quarter is 25 yards. They don't keep records week by week but if they did one of those weeks might have shown a 25% annualized growth rate.

You want to brag about a quarter? Fine. The GDP grew by 1.25% percent in the third quarter. (maybe) WOOOOOOOOO!

Be nice to have 4 or 5 quarters in a row like that.

 

[Que]

Yet Wall st. banks and defense contractors STILL gave lions share of money to McCain and Romney both.

The REPUBLICANS still pushed for moar war in Iraq and tax breaks and loopholes for big banks to fuck their customers.

They were totally against all the democrat interest as well...HC, education, infrastructure and welfare. Spending on those thins is the PROBLEM right?



Operation Iraqi Freedom.....then fuckhead Obama gave into the WHARRRR!!! crowd like a bag of worthless dicks.



We are talking about mega banks and MIC.....

GE and Solydra are neither of those.



No I don't....I insist the lions share of the Republicans interest are in the banking/MIC/oil/coal/tobacco sectors.

You say "But they are the same, just as corrupt!! Both spend the same!!"

And I say

"no it's not the same because (D) wants to at least pretend they are spending on Americans to improve their lives. You guys just want to start wars and poison the water supply!"

Then you say

"But they both spend the same amount so just as bad!"

And I say

"Not even close."

and you leave.



I have never disputed that.......not EVER. I dispute that what they spend on makes them NOT equal just based on intent.

You will just do anything for the RW not to be heavily invested in banking, locking citizens up, oil, coal, tabaccy and waging quasi holy wars in 3rd world shit holes.

Sorry, protecting the environment, fixing HC, infrastructure, education, seeking energy alternatives and ending endless money pit occupations of the middle east is evil commie stuff.

Who the FUCK cares what they spend the money on? We can afford NONE of it.

We spend 40% more than we take in. At LEAST 20% of the budget is payback for campaign contributions from each side. Despite the fantasy that we could collect more than we currently do with our byzantine tax code it is a fantasy. Even if you could "soak the rich" every fucking dime that is wasted by this government does not get put to any productive use that creates more wealth.

We are already, likely past the point of no return so I care less than I otherwise would.

 

[Busybody]

ye of short memory

let me remind you all AGAIN

when REPOZ and Bush said to get oil down, we have to drill everywhere....

the LIBZ laughed and said it will take TEN YEARS for it to take effect

(incorrect, but that is what they said....)

2004 plus 10 = 2014

THANK YOU PRES BUSH

 

[Adre]

The "goal post" is year to year recovery. A quarter is 25 yards. They don't keep records week by week but if they did one of those weeks might have shown a 25% annualized growth rate.

You want to brag about a quarter? Fine. The GDP grew by 1.25% percent in the third quarter. (maybe) WOOOOOOOOO!

Be nice to have 4 or 5 quarters in a row like that.

So now I was bragging? If I state that I am six feet, two inches is that bragging as well? So far I think you've said I was crowing, then hollering, then bragging. I'll be interested in your next observation.

 

[Busybody]

Yet Wall st. banks and defense contractors STILL gave lions share of money to McCain and Romney both.
.

that is 100% incorrect

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=super+rich+donate+to+the+democrats&spell=1

but that WONT stop you from repeating it

often

 

[Que]

So now I was bragging? If I state that I am six feet, two inches is that bragging as well? So far I think you've said I was crowing, then hollering, then bragging. I'll be interested in your next observation.

I guess I mistook the exclamation points for "Exclaiming!!!!"

GDP growth now at 5% per annum pace! Obama is to blame!

 

[Adre]

I guess I mistook the exclamation points for "Exclaiming!!!!"

Thank you for finally pointing out that I said per annum pace.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Who the FUCK cares what they spend the money on? We can afford NONE of it.

Well then buckle up because this whole fucker is CRASHING and it's going to be a 3rd world fucking shit hole here in about 5 years MAX.

But I don't think it is....and I think that's bullshit, we can afford it.

We can afford to fix bridges, potholes, have literate kids who can do basic geometry and algebra by 5th grade. We can have UHC for a little over 1/3rd the price we pay now.

We could reel back our military spending TREMENDOUSLY and not even China could touch us for 10 years + if they went full steam with their build up.

We can do a LOT of good shit as a nation to improve our lives here, and letting it slide into a 3rd world anarchist shit hole while we occupy Iraq ain't the best way to do it.

We spend 40% more than we take in.

So TAKE IN MOAR and cut some fat....not rocket science. Yes it can be done....we can pay our bills.

We are already, likely past the point of no return so I care less than I otherwise would.

I've been listening to the RW say that shit for DECADES.....except when Clinton was in office, then it was all because St.Reagan and the sky was falling any day now.

I know what will help us keep from defaulting on our loans and totally fucking the whole point of no return pooch!!

CUT TAXES!! YEA!!

 

[Que]

Thank you for finally pointing out that I said per annum pace.

Which, as I have been saying, is meaningless when you are talking about a quarter. Were you rending sack-cloth and anointing yourself with ashes when the first quarter showed a contraction at a per annum pace of 8%!!!!

I don't remember it being reported that way. Do you?

 

[BotanyBoy]

that is 100% incorrect

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=super+rich+donate+to+the+democrats&spell=1

but that WONT stop you from repeating it

often

I never said super rich don't give to (D).....medical industry and universities across the nation fill big (D)'s pockets on the reg.

I just said lions share of mega banks and defense industry goes to the right...which is 100% right.

But don't let that keep you from not reading....ya fucking ass clown.

 

[Adre]

Which, as I have been saying, is meaningless when you are talking about a quarter. Were you rending sack-cloth and anointing yourself with ashes when the first quarter showed a contraction at a per annum pace of 8%!!!!

I don't remember it being reported that way. Do you?

Do you say your mortgage rate is five percent, or 1.25 percent a quarter?

 

[Que]

Well then buckle up because this whole fucker is CRASHING and it's going to be a 3rd world fucking shit hole here in about 5 years MAX.

But I don't think it is....and I think that's bullshit, we can afford it.

We can afford to fix bridges, potholes, have literate kids who can do basic geometry and algebra by 5th grade. We can have UHC for a little over 1/3rd the price we pay now.

We could reel back our military spending TREMENDOUSLY and not even China could touch us for 10 years + if they went full steam with their build up.

We can do a LOT of good shit as a nation to improve our lives here, and letting it slide into a 3rd world anarchist shit hole while we occupy Iraq ain't the best way to do it.



So TAKE IN MOAR and cut some fat....not rocket science. Yes it can be done....we can pay our bills.



I've been listening to the RW say that shit for DECADES.....except when Clinton was in office, then it was all because St.Reagan and the sky was falling any day now.

I know what will help us keep from defaulting on our loans and totally fucking the whole point of no return pooch!!

CUT TAXES!! YEA!!

Reagan was the last chance to turn the titanic around. Had the made SS age 70 at that point we would be fine now.

I no longer bother to keep up with the number...lemme check... but we are in the hole 116 trillion dollars. It is almost 1 MILLION dollars per taxpayer.

Just because we keep kicking the can down the road doesn't change math.

 

[Busybody]

I never said super rich don't give to (D).....medical industry and universities across the nation fill big (D)'s pockets on the reg.

I just said lions share of mega banks and defense industry goes to the right...which is 100% right.

But don't let that keep you from not reading....ya fucking ass clown.

you made that up

show me

its OK

#I'll wait

 

[BotanyBoy]

Reagan was the last chance to turn the titanic around. Had the made SS age 70 at that point we would be fine now.

I no longer bother to keep up with the number...lemme check... but we are in the hole 116 trillion dollars. It is almost 1 MILLION dollars per taxpayer.

Just because we keep kicking the can down the road doesn't change math.

18 Trillion.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

And even if it was 116....we can pay it off, cut spending, raise taxes, pay some bills.

Or we can do it GOP style, say fuck paying bills, give everyone the finger and throw a big ol' party.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The "goal post" is year to year recovery. A quarter is 25 yards. They don't keep records week by week but if they did one of those weeks might have shown a 25% annualized growth rate.

You want to brag about a quarter? Fine. The GDP grew by 1.25% percent in the third quarter. (maybe) WOOOOOOOOO!

Be nice to have 4 or 5 quarters in a row like that.

Mooooooove those goalposts, chumly!

Better yet, pack your soapbox and fly to New York.

Unpack it on Wall Street, stand upon it and bellow loud and long "Quarterly results don't matter..it's only year-to-year results that count!"

And when they laugh at you and ask why, scream "Because....because...REASONS!"

Your pathetic attempts at goalpost moving aside, quarterly results are the generally accepted standard in America today. The current growth runs counter to your oft-stated belief that we're in an economic downturn, and your documented slavish devotion to epistemic closure ("Avoid Inconvenient Facts") has you struggling to disparage and discount the good economic news.

Sadly, these are revised growth figures, so you can't even splutter (as you often do) about how the government ALWAYS revises figures downward later on.

2014 is turning out to be one of the worst years yet for you America haters.

 

[Busybody]

18 Trillion.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

And even if it was 116....we can pay it off, cut spending, raise taxes, pay some bills.

Or we can do it GOP style, say fuck paying bills, give everyone the finger and throw a big ol' party.

cut spending? who will do that? no one!

raising taxes brings in LESS $

 

[Que]

Do you say your mortgage rate is five percent, or 1.25 percent a quarter?

This is not a mortgage.

It is a QUARTERLY growth report that ought to be reported at the QUARTERLY growth rate. It was reported as a QUARTERLY growth rate when the QUARTERLY growth rate was NEGATIVE 2 percent.


If an only if you wanted to give a feel for how we are doing PER ANNUM you would take the three QUARTERS so far add them up and divide by three then multiply by four to get your growth rate per annum for the year to date.

The second quarter only looked as good as it did because it was crawling back out of the trough of the first quarter.

We are up 2.75% or so for the year. You do not get credit for how far you have traveled if you first took a leap backward before you began.

 

[BotanyBoy]

you made that up

show me

its OK

#I'll wait

I've shown it several times in the past I'm not fucking doing it again because you just scream bullshit lies and ignore it anyhow.

 

[BotanyBoy]

cut spending? who will do that? no one!

raising taxes brings in LESS $

No shit...we have holy warz in the middle east to piss money on and get nothing out of.

Since when has raising taxes brought in less?