Lower Oil Prices Are a Free-Market Victory

[Kitty]

I dunno. You seem fairly entertained with your own smugness.

Why don't you explain it to the class? Since my pedestrian understanding of economics is evidently only concerned with the fleas and you see the entire picture.

Enlighten us.

Are you a Taurus then.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So what happened? Did the evil greedy gangsters just forget to collude with each other,

Seriously? LOL What is good for the industry is good for the gangsta....

or does having more sources of competition inside the good ole USA cause pressure on the entire world market in a direction that favors high horsepower gas guzzling goodness?

No one is saying otherwise BUT YOU!!!!! IN SOME INSANE FUCKIN' IMAGINARY LAND!!

That doesn't mean the industry isn't controlled by some SERIOUSLY amoral shit birds who have more than 1 congress critter in their pockets.

Just because Wall St. has a good day doesn't mean they aren't a bunch thugs in suits who would set the country on fuckin' fire if it got them an extra percentage.

Point of the article and my points is there is no leak-proof cabal that some market force cannot fuck with.

That's why it's dumb...the only people who even dreamed up a leak proof cabal that some market force cannot fuck with, are the people saying it doesn't exist.

They fuck with us but it is like holding back the tide. Sooner or later the tide fucks with their sand-castle and we all give a Huzzah!

Yes there is a market force vs regulation/structure balance....go to far one way because bat fuckin' shit crazy fuckers and it goes to shit.

Good point.

Gas taxes are regressive in a multiplicity of ways.

Yes they are.....it's kinda shocking the RW doesn't push for more gas taxes so we can cut taxes on capital gains

 

[islandman]

I dunno. You seem fairly entertained with your own smugness.

Why don't you explain it to the class? Since my pedestrian understanding of economics is evidently only concerned with the fleas and you see the entire picture.

Enlighten us.

I've never been entertained by my own smugness. Well, maybe for a second or two, but then I'm ready to turn the page.

I'm amused by the fact that you're practicing mental yoga (and practically breaking several laws of physics) to lay the blame (or not) at the feet of the government.

All the while ignoring the 800lb gorilla in the room.

More to the point, I'm amused by how many posts you can post without saying it's name.

 

[Que]

Seriously? LOL What is good for the industry is good for the gangsta....



No one is saying otherwise BUT YOU!!!!! IN SOME INSANE FUCKIN' IMAGINARY LAND!!

That doesn't mean the industry isn't controlled by some SERIOUSLY amoral shit birds who have more than 1 congress critter in their pockets.

Just because Wall St. has a good day doesn't mean they aren't a bunch thugs in suits who would set the country on fuckin' fire if it got them an extra percentage.



That's why it's dumb...the only people who even dreamed up a leak proof cabal that some market force cannot fuck with, are the people saying it doesn't exist.



Yes there is a market force vs regulation/structure balance....go to far one way because bat fuckin' shit crazy fuckers and it goes to shit.



Yes they are.....it's kinda shocking the RW doesn't push for more gas taxes so we can cut taxes on capital gains

Because the gas tax would be increased and the promised capital gains cut would be delayed till never.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Of course they do. Bob is speculating that it is the evil Saudis manipulating everything.

No they don't, I didn't see RDS post anything of the sort...your on a raging RW loony tunes bender.

However RDS is right..the Saudi's and OPEC ARE making their plays and they are planning to manipulate it for all they can, if you think otherwise than my opinion of you has been far to high to this point. Because I assure Shiek Muhammad Fuckhead and his crew at Saudi Oil co. are thinking very hard about how to put the good ol' boys at Dakota Oil co. under all the pressure they can muster.

All the Saudis are doing is trying to make their monthly nut. As the price falls they need more. Producing less isn't shoring up the price the way they would like it to so they say fuck, it we have oil, pump it!

All of these players want to keep that floor up and they are all failing at doing so. The market won, for now.

Government has been trying to no avail to influence the price of gas for a host of political reasons, people vote pocketbook all to no avail.

They haven't been trying very hard cuz they could make that shit 100$/gal by the end of the hr if they wanted to.

Does the market get it right all the time? of course not. But it is the engine, government is the brakeman in the caboose of a very long train.

LOL more loony RW shit analogy....."free maket vew dew!!" can fuck things just as much as it can help them, it's a double edged sword that doesn't give a fuck. It's NOT always the engine, sometimes it's the caboose and the gov is the engine pulling everything up the hill.

I'm done for now...we can re-visit the subject when you are no longer so "MARKET = GOOD AND GUBBMINT = BAD" dogmatic.

Because the real world is just not that black and fuckin' white....IDC how many breitbart articles you link saying it is.

Are you a Taurus then.

Then there is this dumb racist piece of fuckin' shit....choke on an AIDS dick ya fuckin' fuck!!

 

[Kitty]

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[BotanyBoy]

Because the gas tax would be increased and the promised capital gains cut would be delayed till never.

That's because contrary to popular RW belief the rich have to cough up more if we want to keep the lights on, and cutting them another break won't get the bills paid.

Why does the RW hate to pay their bills so much?

Want a never ending crusade in the middle east, the most massive prison system ever built, infrastructure etc....

Shit cost money guys.....and turning food stamps off ain't cutting it.

Going to UHC would save us a grip....but that's socialism, can't have a cheaper better system if it's socialism, that's horrible and evil.

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Oh good job chiefette...sorry...your gif doesn't make you not a racist smear of ass juice.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Really? You cannot formulate an opinon and express yourself better unless and until I type some random words that enable you to make your (feeble) point by mis-characterizing what I said? Really?




~SpideyMode~

"I didn't say that!"


...And I didn't.

What I said as you helpfully fucking quoted was:



I said not ONE thing about your alternative being send the windfall back to OPEC in the form of higher gasoline taxes that bizarrely go to OPEC. I said that your idea implied that there was something wrong with the fact that now money was in consumers hands instead of OPEC.

The money that USED to go to OPEC is in consumers hands NOW. Your plan negates that wondrous blessing from on high. Idiot. Pointing out that you clearly think that the money that is NOW in consumers hands must be a BAD thing because you want to take it back OUT of their hands and send it to the Federal Governement.



No it does not "make" you obtuse.

~SpideyMode~

"I Didn't say that!"

...And I didn't.

Your post demonstrates that you are in this instance either being obtuse or you are sincerely dumb. This interaction did not make you the obtuse mushroom that you are. it merely highlights it. What "makes" you that way is anyones guess. If you want me to speculate I think it is a marginal IQ with just enough education to tie your self into knots. ~shrug~



Since your proposal will be less than 800 billion dollars will that be more or less of an impact than the stimulus package?

If we had simply mailed checks at random to people for the sum of 800 billion dollars that would have resulted in more stimulative activity than the shovel ready projects amounted to.




Holy false equivalence Batman! I mean Spiderman. I was pointing out that giving money to indolent people in poverty will not raise THEM out of poverty, I made ZERO comment on what if an stimulative effect that would have on the economy.

Since you asked it will have none. Why? Because the money comes FROM our economy (likely borrowed) and through their fingers in statistically known ways that do not result in capital growth activities. Strirring money around. You are far to stupid for a discourse in why that is, bit it is so. Not at all what we are discussing here. Here money that used to LEAVE our economy has STAYED. This is a net increase in available capital.

Yes SOME of it will be squandered by the impoverished and the rich alike. SOME of it will be actually put to use and as I said it is a WINDFALL. Borrowing money to give it away? NOT a windfall.




I assume you are in favor of Keystone then?

Money sent to Washington then sent back to the states is not more money than you had before you stirred the money through Washington.



~SpideyMode~

"I didn't say that."

...And I didn't. My out of context quote about what impoverished people that drive little do with their income because they have no job to drive to, had ZERO to do with "windfalls" of any kind and everything to do with the fact that you cannot pay people to become middle class and make better choices with their resources.

What happens to every single driver in this country NOT just the ones on assistance is a bigger pool than that.

I hope that your area has a great voucher program so that whatever it is that you do for the educational system will be put out of business by more efficient private educational delivery systems.

I've maintained for months that you don't read & write well, and for months you've never left me wanting for proof.

I specifically mentioned the federal gas tax, you specifically replied to me (and thanks for quoting it again), "sending it to OPEC". Without adding some kind of modifier to say you were talking about something different than the federal gas tax, you were in fact talking about the federal gas tax. Sorry, you did say it.

Next, you mentioned that consumers having money in their hands for Christmas is a good thing for the economy. I'd agree with you. While giving money to the poor probably won't help them out of poverty I'm sure you'll agree it would be good for the economy. Unless you can cite some economic principal that shows that buying a big screen TV for your mom at Christmas has a different economic impact than buying one for yourself in the summer.

Here's more proof you didn't read my post, you asked my thoughts on Keystone. After I outlined that I wanted to improve infrastructure, reduce our use of cars & reduce our use of oil, I found it shocking that you would wonder about how I felt about Keystone, which would do the opposite of those things.

If you'd like to pay more for all of the infrastructure we need & all that needs to be repaired that's your choice, but please don't lob personal attacks at me because you have a different opinion & don't read & write well.

 

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[Busybody]

We can ALL thank the President for lower prices, and more cash in our pockets

Thank you President BUSH

 

[Saint Peter]

Raise the Federal Gas Tax to pay for some infrastructure.

This.

 

[Busybody]

they have been "fixing" infrastructure for 3 decades

STFU WITH BS

 

[Saint Peter]

No, you and your douchebags have been voting against anything that benefits Americans. Our infrastructure is shit.

Thanks republicans!

 

[doctor_insanus]

No, you and your douchebags have been voting against anything that benefits Americans. Our infrastructure is shit.

Thanks republicans!

More tax cuts! That'll fix 'em!

 

[Busybody]

^^^Degenerates who cause the COLORED FOOL to be elected

TWICE


Its always TAX n SPEND with you "people"....

WHY?

TEH COLOREDS WILL BURN IT DOWN ANYWAY!

 

[BotanyBoy]

This.

Only problem is that will hurt the poor more than anything......

It needs to be a tax that pins those making a grip and makes the raised tax their best option. I.E. pay the tax or the USG will go straight thug lyfe on your ass and take EVERYTHING from you and leave you destitute.

There are other ways to get taxes without running the price of EVERYTHING up on EVERYONE because that's what gas taxes do.

The objective is to target the uber rich....because you don't get very far robbing poor folks.

 

[Busybody]

^^^^commie

 

[BotanyBoy]

^^^^commie

^^^^fascist

 

[Busybody]

^^^^fascist

^^^^flat err, err

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, you and your douchebags have been voting against anything that benefits Americans. Our infrastructure is shit.

Thanks republicans!

What happened to all that stimulus money you guys voted for?

Obama thought it was right funny that those projects really weren't shovel-ready...

Should not the situation have improved because your douchbags had control of government?

All you got for your vote was a mandate. Maybe a man-crush too...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

 

[trysail]

“What the commodity markets are telling us is that we’re living in a finite world, in which the rapid growth of emerging economies is placing pressure on limited supplies of raw materials, pushing up their prices…. [P]eak oil has arrived.”

- Paul Krugman
“A Finite World”
New York Times
December 26, 2010.​

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[Que]

Never a shortage of idiotic, economically banal statments from Krugman in his never-ending quest to lend his unwarranted imprimateur of authority on economix issues in the furtherance of the pet causes of the New York Times.

 

[Busybody]

We can ALL thank the President for lower prices, and more cash in our pockets

Thank you President BUSH

 

[RobDownSouth]

Compare and Contrast!

Never a shortage of idiotic, economically banal statments from Krugman in his never-ending quest to lend his unwarranted imprimateur of authority on economix issues in the furtherance of the pet causes of the New York Times.

Paul Krugman is a professor of economics at Princeton, a columnist in the New York Times and was awarded the Nobel prize in Economics.

You are a college dropout with no notable achievements in your life.