85 percent of ObamaCare ‘inconsistencies’ can’t be fixed

[mark_j]

Just like I thought. You were, like all the other whiners here, lying through your God damned mother fucking teeth.

Nothing but talking points from Mark_J, folks. He made it all up.

Yep. Just like I thought.

You, sir, are a one trick pony.

You have no interest in actually having a discussion. Especially if it doesn't fit your narrow parameters.

Talking points you say?

What talking points?

I wasn't using any talking points, I was saying what actually happened. But you don't want to hear that since it might contradict the "Obama Care Good" meme.

So, where's my $2500 savings?

Oh yeah that didn't happen since I would have to buy a more expensive plan to keep the same coverage. Buying a cheaper plan wasn't an option, see below.

Where's my "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"?

Again, I would have to buy a more expensive plan so that I could keep the Doctor I've been seeing for over 25 years.

So to answer the questions;

Did I get a subsidy? Yes

Could I have taken a cheaper plan?

Of course, but the deductibles would have been so high as to make the insurance essentially worthless except for catastrophic coverage and meeting the minimum under the law. On top of that, taking a cheaper plan plan would have meant that my doctor would no longer accept it. And that point is kind of important since I have a 25 year history with the man.

Further, to afford the plan that keeps current coverage I would have to drop my Dental and Vision to compensate for the increased cost even with the subsidy.

So tell me all about those lies. Tell me how dealing with all this bureaucratic horse shit is making my life better.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Shut your mouth and take your subsidy, you whiny bitch.

You're not paying more than 9.5% of your salary to insure your family, same as everyone else in America in your tax bracket.

"But it's toooooo high!"

Fuck you. Be a man.

#NoSympathyHere

 

[phrodeau]

Yep. Just like I thought.

You, sir, are a one trick pony.

You have no interest in actually having a discussion. Especially if it doesn't fit your narrow parameters.

Talking points you say?

What talking points?

I wasn't using any talking points, I was saying what actually happened. But you don't want to hear that since it might contradict the "Obama Care Good" meme.

So, where's my $2500 savings?

Oh yeah that didn't happen since I would have to buy a more expensive plan to keep the same coverage. Buying a cheaper plan wasn't an option, see below.

Where's my "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"?

Again, I would have to buy a more expensive plan so that I could keep the Doctor I've been seeing for over 25 years.

So to answer the questions;

Did I get a subsidy? Yes

Could I have taken a cheaper plan?

Of course, but the deductibles would have been so high as to make the insurance essentially worthless except for catastrophic coverage and meeting the minimum under the law. On top of that, taking a cheaper plan plan would have meant that my doctor would no longer accept it. And that point is kind of important since I have a 25 year history with the man.

Further, to afford the plan that keeps current coverage I would have to drop my Dental and Vision to compensate for the increased cost even with the subsidy.

So tell me all about those lies. Tell me how dealing with all this bureaucratic horse shit is making my life better.

It must have hurt when your doctor told you that he can only see patients richer than you.

Or did you even bring it up with him?

 

[RobDownSouth]

It must have hurt when your doctor told you that he can only see patients richer than you.

Or did you even bring it up with him?

He sounds like he wants a gold-plated plan at next to no cost for himself. There's a few of those sort of folks skulking around here. VatAss was one.

 

[mark_j]

Shut your mouth and take your subsidy, you whiny bitch.

You're not paying more than 9.5% of your salary to insure your family, same as everyone else in America in your tax bracket.

"But it's toooooo high!"

Fuck you. Be a man.

#NoSympathyHere

Glad we cleared that up...

Fuck you too, Asshole.

 

[mark_j]

It must have hurt when your doctor told you that he can only see patients richer than you.

Or did you even bring it up with him?

He wasn't part of the network..

He sounds like he wants a gold-plated plan at next to no cost for himself. There's a few of those sort of folks skulking around here. VatAss was one.

Not at all, but why should I have to pay more than I was?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

If you are going to participate in the conversation, then read the thread.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nati...VqL/story.html

Or move to Vermont. Everyone is covered, no one changed doctors and in the article from the Globe the woman that has to drive 50 miles, has neighbors just over the state line in Vermont that can go to the hospital in NH that she wants to go to, but now can't.

I take that back - don't move to Vermont - expect the same from your state government in creating the same conditions.

Does not sound like Obama care is the issue to me.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Not at all, but why should I have to pay more than I was?

Because other people were denied health care for years in order to subsidize your artificially low premiums.

Again, suck it up and be a man.

 

[mark_j]

Because other people were denied health care for years in order to subsidize your artificially low premiums.

Again, suck it up and be a man.

OH I see... so it's MY fault?

Yeah, that makes a hell of a lot of sense.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I'll just leave this here..

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...t-and-you-wont-believe-whats-going-to-happen/

While political slanting continues to dominate the public’s opinion on Obamacare, there is nothing like throwing a few facts into the mix to cause people to begin scratching their heads in confusion.

One of the best sources of actual facts is the annual study done by the McKinsey Center for U.S. Health System Reform.

Any self-respecting conservative knows all too well that McKinsey is immune from attack as an organization committed to presenting a left leaning political slant as it remains a bastion of business advice and a company that simply cannot be painted with a blue brush.

So, how do we explain the McKinsey findings, which reveal some awfully good news when it comes to premium rates, as Obamacare begins its second year sign up period beginning November 15?

We explain it by simply pointing out that when your sole approach to a program is based on your preferred political point of view, the truth may sometimes disappoint—even when the truth comes in the form of some pretty good news.

Here are the bullet points of the study:

Despite the cries of the Obamacare bashers that insurance companies would leave the exchanges in droves once they discovered how much money they are losing , it turns out that competition and choice are increasing as we head into 2015.
According to the McKinsey study, “In the 41 states releasing exchange participation carrier data, the number of health insurers increased by 26 percent between 2014 and 2015. In the 19 states with complete fillings, the number of products grew 66 percent, with most in the silver tier.”

While 65 percent of existing policies will see an increase in premium costs for 2015, the median increase will be just 4 percent.

When was the last time we saw insurance premiums experience an annual increase of less than 5 percent? I cannot remember such a time and doubt that you can either.

...

So, if you are all about the politics of being anti-Obamacare, you’ll want to simply pretend you never read this article as any rational individual will find it hard to continue to terrify the nation with predictions of fewer policies, smaller competition, and double-digit increases in premium rates.

 

[toubab]

I'll just leave this here..

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...t-and-you-wont-believe-whats-going-to-happen/

While political slanting continues to dominate the public’s opinion on Obamacare, there is nothing like throwing a few facts into the mix to cause people to begin scratching their heads in confusion.

One of the best sources of actual facts is the annual study done by the McKinsey Center for U.S. Health System Reform.

Any self-respecting conservative knows all too well that McKinsey is immune from attack as an organization committed to presenting a left leaning political slant as it remains a bastion of business advice and a company that simply cannot be painted with a blue brush.

So, how do we explain the McKinsey findings, which reveal some awfully good news when it comes to premium rates, as Obamacare begins its second year sign up period beginning November 15?

We explain it by simply pointing out that when your sole approach to a program is based on your preferred political point of view, the truth may sometimes disappoint—even when the truth comes in the form of some pretty good news.

Here are the bullet points of the study:

Despite the cries of the Obamacare bashers that insurance companies would leave the exchanges in droves once they discovered how much money they are losing , it turns out that competition and choice are increasing as we head into 2015.
According to the McKinsey study, “In the 41 states releasing exchange participation carrier data, the number of health insurers increased by 26 percent between 2014 and 2015. In the 19 states with complete fillings, the number of products grew 66 percent, with most in the silver tier.”

While 65 percent of existing policies will see an increase in premium costs for 2015, the median increase will be just 4 percent.

When was the last time we saw insurance premiums experience an annual increase of less than 5 percent? I cannot remember such a time and doubt that you can either.

...

So, if you are all about the politics of being anti-Obamacare, you’ll want to simply pretend you never read this article as any rational individual will find it hard to continue to terrify the nation with predictions of fewer policies, smaller competition, and double-digit increases in premium rates.

I have no idea how anyone could have thought insurance companies would lose money on Obamacare by participating in the exchanges. They are making a government-guaranteed killing, and will continue to do so unless the Supreme Court cuts off a major source of their money supply in a few months. If that happens, the shit will hit the fan.

Here's another viewpoint on the effects of the law:

"Growing Burden of Employer-Provider Health Care Has Accelerated Under Obamacare"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...-health-care-has-accelerated-under-obamacare/

"There’s been a fierce debate over whether Obamacare has increased health insurance premiums. Progressives have argued Obamacare is working due to modest projected premium increases on the Exchanges for 2015. Conservatives have retorted that “there can be no doubt that health care today is more costly than it would have been without Obamacare.” But this argument has focused on the health Exchanges, where only 7-8 million people bought their coverage in 2014. Readers would do well to remember that more than 20 times that number of people rely on employer-provided health benefits (Table C-1). In the employer-based market, the adverse effects of Obamacare on premiums and affordability are strikingly obvious. The growing burden of employer-provided health care has accelerated under Obamacare. And yet the New York Times would have you believe everything is hunky-dory since “the growth in health insurance premiums was only 3 percent between 2013 and 2014. That’s tied for the lowest rate of increase since Kaiser started measuring (this is the 16th year of the survey).” This view is dead wrong: here’s why."

I won't copy the rest.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

This thread should be moved to the Politics Board

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

This thread should be moved to the Politics Board

Not a single person forced you to click on the thread. Yet you did so just to complain.

 

[toubab]

Not a single person forced you to click on the thread. Yet you did so just to complain.

Direct hit.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Not a single person forced you to click on the thread. Yet you did so just to complain.

Not complaining. I've posted in the thread. It is an interesting topic. I was just expressing an opinion given the recent discussions. You may have seen the poll?

No need to roll eyes or have a cow.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Direct hit.

Queue the cow

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-EV601-071.jpg?size=67&uid=3a514fd6-fa07-4784-8a05-3d64450cbfb7

 

[toubab]

Queue the cow

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-EV601-071.jpg?size=67&uid=3a514fd6-fa07-4784-8a05-3d64450cbfb7

No cow. He was just expressing an opinion.

 

[phrodeau]

He wasn't part of the network..



Not at all, but why should I have to pay more than I was?

Oh, he wasn't part of The Network.

Sorry that your state is so fascist you only have one Network in it, and your doctor is doomed to have no patients.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

No cow. He was just expressing an opinion.

not "having a cow" just means "nothing to get so excited about"

 

[toubab]

not "having a cow" just means "nothing to get so excited about"

I know. And I don't think he was excited about your suggestion.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I know. And I don't think he was excited about your suggestion.

He seemed offended.

 

[richard_daily]

Where's my "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"?

Again, I would have to buy a more expensive plan so that I could keep the Doctor I've been seeing for over 25 years.

So... what you're saying, is that you can keep your doctor.

 

[toubab]

He seemed offended.

Well, I can't speak for him, but I doubt it.

 

[julybaby04]

I honestly don't understand why you have to be such a fucking prick. However if that is the way you want to play it I'll just say FUCK YOU and be done with it.

You want to have a civil conversation or are you going to be an insufferable asshole?

Choice is yours.



I'll answer this after you make the choice... It's up to you.

Been a while since I have been here....funny how downsouth never changes.

Just so you know, he is, well, to put it nicely, not much into truth telling.

As far as my insurance goes....which for some reason he believes it to be insurance that was not real....let me give you actual numbers.

$350/month for complete family coverage. Deductible (catastrophic) was $6500. The limit on our insurance...I have no idea as we apparently never hit it. Of course, this was never hitting it with my husband dealing with and the dying from brain cancer after 2.5 years. This was not hitting it even though he was taking chemo which costs $15,000 each treatment....and he had those weekly for 3 months.

So we went from that (sub-par insurance...according to downsouth) to Obamacare's off of the basic Bronze plan.....$950/month (as we dot not qualify for a tax payer supported subsidy), $10,000/year deductible which means we would be out of pocket over $20,000 BEFORE Obamacare even reared it's ugly head).

We went with a Christian Cost Sharing option. $380/month. No limit lifetime.

So no matter what the non-speaking truth person tries to sell as "reality"....those are the actual numbers we have had to deal with.

 

[Shagly]

It must be the unions.