Look, we all know that if Michael Brown had been white . . .

[Balladeer08]

You lost me at bold. It's true. You have to reconsider the characteristics if you reconsider the race to reconsider the situation. BUT how would he have been "raised differently?" That is a loaded statement.

Let's start with, different from..what?
And then, what would be so different? Do you know the white household? Or are you just referring to TV? I can tell you without fucking blinking, it's no different. White chicks get knocked up as kids, too. White boys do drugs too. Thug and fight, too. In fact, by the age 23 over 30% of them will be locked up, and over 40% for blacks. It's not very different. I'm sick of your fairy-tale mentality. >.<

The DIFFERENCE is, white men like Michael Brown (yes, they exist: the petty shoplifters who do drugs, mhmmmm) get charged and prosecuted AT STATE LEVEL for the SAME THINGS black men get prosecuted for at FEDERAL LEVEL.

Stop pretending it would have been the same. Cops are MUCH more patient with their own kind, no matter the kind.

Of course he'd have been raised differently. How? Who can tell? It is a "what if". But it is certain it would have been different. He parents would have taken him to different movies at different times, bought him different cereal, read him different bed time stories, cheered for different sports teams... just different. Not saying better or worse, just different.

Which brings in the sociology theory of differential association. Of the many influences in a kid's life, which ones does he focus on? Which become more important to him?

If Michael Brown was white, I'll assume he would have been born white, and not changed to white just before this incident.

Being different that early leads to a chain of differences that produce other difference, that produce a different outcome. It is like stories about time travel, combined with chaos theory. "If a butterfly flaps it's wings in China..."

If things were different, they would not be the same.

 

[Kitty]

Of course he'd have been raised differently. How? Who can tell? It is a "what if". But it is certain it would have been different. He parents would have taken him to different movies at different times, bought him different cereal, read him different bed time stories, cheered for different sports teams... just different. Not saying better or worse, just different.

Which brings in the sociology theory of differential association. Of the many influences in a kid's life, which ones does he focus on? Which become more important to him?

If Michael Brown was white, I'll assume he would have been born white, and not changed to white just before this incident.

Being different that early leads to a chain of differences that produce other difference, that produce a different outcome. It is like stories about time travel, combined with chaos theory. "If a butterfly flaps it's wings in China..."

If things were different, they would not be the same.

Starting with that to the end of your post made absolutely NO FUCKING SENSE. This is a time for focusing on what is here NOT theoretical shit?

 

[Balladeer08]

I disagree, if a 293 lb white guy fresh from a strong arm robbery in my town were to start beating on a cop, trying to take his gun, with rounds discharged in the squad car, and then tried to run, but turned and charged the officer head on, he'd be shot as well. The thread title suggest that only his color be different. I didn't translate it into something it wasn't.

Yeah duh.

Okay, you translated it into something it cannot be.

If he had magically turned white just before the police showed up, I suspect that he, his friends and the bystanders would have been too busy trying to figure out what the fuck had happened to be involved with any of the other shit.

So since people don't magically change skin color instantly, if you want him to be white, he would have been white from birth. With all that implies.

Anything else just seems silly to me.

Why not "If Michael Brown had been a Unicorn..." ??? Silly.

 

[Kitty]

Okay, you translated it into something it cannot be.

If he had magically turned white just before the police showed up, I suspect that he, his friends and the bystanders would have been too busy trying to figure out what the fuck had happened to be involved with any of the other shit.

So since people don't magically change skin color instantly, if you want him to be white, he would have been white from birth. With all that implies.

Anything else just seems silly to me.

Why not "If Michael Brown had been a Unicorn..." ??? Silly.

Will you knock it off. You keep saying this is as if there is no white equivalent for Michael Brown?! There are! So let's magically change his skin to white and I'm sure the police would've been more patient. Not to say it wouldn't have got out of hand. But the patience is a huge factor with detaining suspects. It prolongs it becoming violent.

And you're black if I remember. If anything, you should know the black inside joke about white guys and the cops (they act up). If anything it's Asians who are compliant while getting arrested. Everyone else acts the fucks up. That being said, if Michael Brown were white he would've been talked down and maybe tasered with some blood from being in a scuffle at the most.

 

[deft]

I love the US. I really do. I've only had the privilege of being over there for the grand total of about a month, in all. But you folks REALLY have to stop being so fucking scared of "difference". It kinda takes the piss out of the cherished American Dream, the way things are these days.

Love you all xxx

 

[Balladeer08]

Will you knock it off.

Okay, I'll play along with your silly magical game. Sort of.

But let's reverse it and see how it plays.

IF THE POLICE OFFICER WERE BLACK...

Would Brown have attacked him in his car?

Could it be that the racist here is Michael Brown?

Fair is fair, if you can magically turn one person white, I can magically turn the other one black.

Question is do you have the mental ability to visualize it the other way around?

It is amazing how right/wrong or fair/unfair change if you just reverse the roles.

Also I have never said or implied that there were no white equivalents to Michael Brown. That fell off of one the the chips on your shoulder. It didn't come from me.

Since we are talking about Michael Brown, I didn't drag in "white guy like Michael Brown", because then we wouldn't be talking about Michael Brown.

It's as if you have trouble focusing.

Or you have an agenda. Do you have an agenda?

 

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[Kitty]

Okay, I'll play along with your silly magical game. Sort of.

But let's reverse it and see how it plays.

IF THE POLICE OFFICER WERE BLACK...

Would Brown have attacked him in his car?

Could it be that the racist here is Michael Brown?

Fair is fair, if you can magically turn one person white, I can magically turn the other one black.

Question is do you have the mental ability to visualize it the other way around?

It is amazing how right/wrong or fair/unfair change if you just reverse the roles.

Also I have never said or implied that there were no white equivalents to Michael Brown. That fell off of one the the chips on your shoulder. It didn't come from me.

Since we are talking about Michael Brown, I didn't drag in "white guy like Michael Brown", because then we wouldn't be talking about Michael Brown.

It's as if you have trouble focusing.

Or you have an agenda. Do you have an agenda?

It's not my game, it's the OP. And your post pisses me off. What chip do I have on my shoulder, exactly? NO, go on, I'm curious which hole you pulled that out of.

And I stopped at "if the police officer were black."

 

[Balladeer08]

I love the US. I really do. I've only had the privilege of being over there for the grand total of about a month, in all. But you folks REALLY have to stop being so fucking scared of "difference". It kinda takes the piss out of the cherished American Dream, the way things are these days.

Love you all xxx

Which American Dream are you talking about?

I think there are way more than one.

Difference doesn't scare me, because I have always been different. In my High School yearbook I was voted "Unique". Not surprising, from a "in" group who rarely had any idea when I was joking and when I was serious, and even less of a grasp of history.

But welcome to America! I hope you achieve your version of the American Dream.

 

[Balladeer08]

It's not my game, it's the OP. And your post pisses me off. What chip do I have on my shoulder, exactly? NO, go on, I'm curious which hole you pulled that out of.

And I stopped at "if the police officer were black."

Yeah, I didn't think you could follow your own argument if it was reversed. Amazing how many people can't.

 

[Kitty]

Yeah, I didn't think you could follow your own argument if it was reversed. Amazing how many people can't.

No, you're bringing in something irrelevant to create a diversion from the fact that you can't defend your own flimsy premise, smart sack. You can barely explain without being obtuse (or just pure retarded) how Michael Brown would be different if he were white. Which implies there are no white guys who would steal and be big and angry with cops. Which is false jackass.

 

[NYC_Man]

If the roles were reversed

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/

 

[NYC_Man]

If the roles were reversed

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

 

[Balladeer08]

You can barely explain without being obtuse (or just pure retarded) how Michael Brown would be different if he were white. [/I]

Nobody can explain how it would be different. Can't be done. Some differences would ricochet, causing other differences. Some would not matter. But different is different.

If Brown had been white, would he have had the same friends?

You seem to equate my saying he would be different with being better. I don't. He would just be different, and unlikely to be at that place at that time.

Hell, if Brown had gone to the library instead of the liquor store, things would have been different.

My saying "if the police officer was black" is the same as you saying "if Michael Brown was white".

It just doesn't lead to the conclusion you seem to want to arrive at.

But if my kind of thinking bothers you so much, put me on ignore.

Oh! "If Michael Brown had been put on ignore..." 8)

 

[NYC_Man]

Nobody can explain how it would be different. Can't be done. Some differences would ricochet, causing other differences. Some would not matter. But different is different.

If Brown had been white, would he have had the same friends?

You seem to equate my saying he would be different with being better. I don't. He would just be different, and unlikely to be at that place at that time.

Hell, if Brown had gone to the library instead of the liquor store, things would have been different.

My saying "if the police officer was black" is the same as you saying "if Michael Brown was white".

It just doesn't lead to the conclusion you seem to want to arrive at.

But if my kind of thinking bothers you so much, put me on ignore.

Oh! "If Michael Brown had been put on ignore..." 8)

keep it up bro

 

[Kitty]

keep it up bro

This is why I hate Balladeer.

Hun, Balladeer is black. And you are completely apathetic to Brown being killed.

So for you to agree with him

means he's one fucked up excuse for a black man.

 

[Balladeer08]

If the roles were reversed

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/

There are several other "black cop shoots/kills white" incidents, none of which made the national media.

One just after Ferguson in Salt Lake City. One in Texas where an off-duty black cop shot and killed an unarmed white veteran. Probably more.

You will never see Jesse Jackson or Weird Al Sharpton show up to protest those kinds of shootings.

I'm fairly well convinced that Jackson and Sharpton are racists.

 

[NYC_Man]

This is why I hate Balladeer.

Hun, Balladeer is black. And you are completely apathetic to Brown being killed.

So for you to agree with him

means he's one fucked up excuse for a black man.

hmm i'm not agreeing iwth him
I'm just laughing that he keeps on insisting about other things being different and going on about useless details

 

[prdigy666]

Honestly, in this whole fucking thing, the point of "What if Michael Brown were white..." is kind of a diversion. Things would probably have been different. If you'd like an example on how the levels of aggression would be comparable, look at the college student that spoke out against President Busy during a town hall assembly at his school. He got the ever living piss tasered out of him. Different because of the weapon, a like because of the level vs. the action.

How it's different is because, as I've said before, it's bred into blacks to expect increased level of aggression and distrust from police and vice versa... Cops are expecting to be attacked by blacks. It's a vicious fucking circle...

 

[deft]

In my High School yearbook I was voted "Unique".

There we go. The incessant, incomprehensible, useless American desire to pigeonhole, to quantify, to specify, to segregate. You, my friend, have put your finger right upon your great nation's inherent problem. Sadly, we're starting to do that over here, too.

With love xxx

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...police-killed-my-son-110038.html#.VIDSuWTF-8k

 

[Balladeer08]

There we go. The incessant, incomprehensible, useless American desire to pigeonhole, to quantify, to specify, to segregate. You, my friend, have put your finger right upon your great nation's inherent problem. Sadly, we're starting to do that over here, too.

With love xxx

Well, the way it worked, the "in" crowd got to do the yearbook, and make all the choices. There were no votes, you couldn't opt out.

It is a way of practicing the politics of exclusion. They got to name who was cool, who got their pictures included in the various sections. They got to be "better" than everyone else. In their minds, at least. Because they actually seemed to care about that trivial b.s.

Within six years of graduation, most of the "in" crowd had been arrested. I laughed my ass off, because I thought it was predictable. The big-time high school jock didn't get a college scholarship. No surprise, you have to actually go to class and learn, not just have someone else do your homework. Shock to him, though.

Labeling sucks. I don't know anyone who is so one-dimensional that they will fit under one label. Or a dozen. I know liberals who think I am to the right of Atilla the Hun. I know conservatives who think I am to the left of Karl Marx. If you make up your own mind on each issue, you tend to confuse people.

For example, I don't smoke marijuana, never have, don't approve of it. But I support the legalization of marijuana. This seems to strike some people as contradictory. I don't think so. One really has nothing to do with the other. Unless you are on some moral crusade against marijuana. I don't use it or approve of it because it is a hallucinogen. It makes people stupid. But it should be legalized because having it illegal has only created a criminal class so rich and powerful it controls countries. Legalize marijuana, tax it, regulate it, and cut the finances out from under the crooks.

Is there a label for that? I don't know, probably wouldn't care unless the phrasing struck me as interesting.

 

[Skiddles2014]

Its a real meeting of the minds in here.

 

[Kitty]

There are several other "black cop shoots/kills white" incidents, none of which made the national media.

One just after Ferguson in Salt Lake City. One in Texas where an off-duty black cop shot and killed an unarmed white veteran. Probably more.

You will never see Jesse Jackson or Weird Al Sharpton show up to protest those kinds of shootings.

I'm fairly well convinced that Jackson and Sharpton are racists.

I feel two ways about your premise.

One way, is that you're black and wanting to make being killed by a cop an exclusivity for black particularly men, so you resent the script being flipped because you feel if he were white it wouldn't happen, because whites don't get shot. I'm not saying this; I think you are.

If not,
My other idea is that you think if he were white, he would not even be in Michael Brown's position starting with the theft.

Either way, it's slightly bullshit bordering along the lines of complete bullshit.

 

[deft]

The label for that is "sensimilla buddy". Ouch