Ominous prediction indeed.

[Sean Renaud]

Enumerate those laws please.

Supply and Demand. As the supply of something increases the demand for it decreases this is just a basic law of nature it's not something we do.

Just so I don't have to waste time with definitions how would YOU define money? I mean what is it really.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You are a Keynesian, yes? The pump-priming analogy was apt, but not as helpful as he had hoped ...

You say some seriously stupid stuff sometimes.

 

[Ishmael]

Nobody knows the exact numbers, but you haven't seen me make any claims to know it. You haven't seen me make any claims at all about their qualification to be employed, be citizens, be deported, be anything but statistics in a discussion. When I make a claim the way Ishmael did, you may ask me to prove it. You may not ask me to disprove or prove a negative.

Are they skilled? Obviously skilled enough to take low wage work and 'put millions of Americans out of work'. Or to take other work and put Blue Collar Americans out of work. They aren't getting jobs because they cannot do them. Even greedy American Corporations don't hire incompetents just to save wages.

Are they educated? Some, some not so. Just as with most of the Americans whose jobs they are stealing - they have the equivalent of a high-school education or less. Some have college education and come here for an opportunity to use it.

Are they healthy? Have they been exposed to disease? Have you? Are you? That is an unknown. Are they vaccinated? Some, some not. You may have noticed that Polio and Smallpox have not wiped out our southwest and haven't even wiped out the illegal immigrants. Health is a red-herring in this thread and was only brought up to further demonize.

Are they fluent in English? Some, some not so. Is that the determining factor? It obviously matters to Ishmael and AJ. Some of them even are capable of learning English. Amazing isn't it.

I'm having a real difficult time with this. Illegal is illegal, I just can't comprehend why this is so difficult for people to understand. I don't give a shit where they're from, if they're here illegally they need to go home. I'd give them a 90 day grace period to get the hell out of the country and if they're caught after that not only are they deported, but they will be forever banned from making application for legal immigration status of any sort whatsoever.

I agree with virtually everyone that our immigration laws have to be revamped. But that effort starts with securing the border. And making it a felony to employ any individual that is in the country illegally. The usurious employers have to be made to pay, and pay dearly.

It would seem to me that the democrats would be all over that one like ticks on kbate's beagles. After all they've been telling us for decades that the only reason those illegals are here to begin with is because of those scum sucking republican businessmen that want to enslave the illegal immigrant. But the way they behave it looks like there are some democrat businessmen doing some enslaving of their own.

There has to be a rational and simple program for seasonal labor. One that does not include the government charging such fees as to make taking the risk of hiring the illegals attractive.

And the approved immigrant shouldn't have to be paying upwards of $50,000 to immigration attorneys to finally gain citizenship. That, like many other democrat initiatives, is nothing more than an attorney full employment program.

The "Family Reunification" clause has to be eliminated from the law other than spouse and children. If your here to become an US citizen you should abandon all thoughts of importing your extended family.

There is a huge body of illegals out there that have gone missing on student visa's. (And they aren't from Central America either.) An effective way to deal with those folks has to be written into the law as well. Of course, making it virtually impossible for them to find gainful employment will take care of the greater number of those people.

That's just a start.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Supply and Demand. As the supply of something increases the demand for it decreases this is just a basic law of nature it's not something we do.

Just so I don't have to waste time with definitions how would YOU define money? I mean what is it really.

What happens to prices when the supply of money does not increase?

It is a medium of exchange. It is a commodity. Anything can be money, even pieces of paper. The problem with pieces of paper is that they have no utilitarian value. Gold is solid money because it has utility as a commodity and a fixed quantity which means that every future ton of gold extracted has a decreasing margin and eventually is not extracted. This helps keep its value comparatively stable for government cannot order the alchemist to produce more gold from lead.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm having a real difficult time with this. Illegal is illegal, I just can't comprehend why this is so difficult for people to understand. I don't give a shit where they're from, if they're here illegally they need to go home. I'd give them a 90 day grace period to get the hell out of the country and if they're caught after that not only are they deported, but they will be forever banned from making application for legal immigration status of any sort whatsoever.

I agree with virtually everyone that our immigration laws have to be revamped. But that effort starts with securing the border. And making it a felony to employ any individual that is in the country illegally. The usurious employers have to be made to pay, and pay dearly.

It would seem to me that the democrats would be all over that one like ticks on kbate's beagles. After all they've been telling us for decades that the only reason those illegals are here to begin with is because of those scum sucking republican businessmen that want to enslave the illegal immigrant. But the way they behave it looks like there are some democrat businessmen doing some enslaving of their own.

There has to be a rational and simple program for seasonal labor. One that does not include the government charging such fees as to make taking the risk of hiring the illegals attractive.

And the approved immigrant shouldn't have to be paying upwards of $50,000 to immigration attorneys to finally gain citizenship. That, like many other democrat initiatives, is nothing more than an attorney full employment program.

The "Family Reunification" clause has to be eliminated from the law other than spouse and children. If your here to become an US citizen you should abandon all thoughts of importing your extended family.

There is a huge body of illegals out there that have gone missing on student visa's. (And they aren't from Central America either.) An effective way to deal with those folks has to be written into the law as well. Of course, making it virtually impossible for them to find gainful employment will take care of the greater number of those people.

That's just a start.

Ishmael

Once they get here and assume unassailable victim status, emotion is more important than economics, so an economic justification must be jury-rigged to fit the desired circumstance, that they get to stay and enjoy a better life.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What happens to prices when the supply of money does not increase?

It is a medium of exchange. It is a commodity. Anything can be money, even pieces of paper. The problem with pieces of paper is that they have no utilitarian value. Gold is solid money because it has utility as a commodity and a fixed quantity which means that every future ton of gold extracted has a decreasing margin and eventually is not extracted. This helps keep its value comparatively stable for government cannot order the alchemist to produce more gold from lead.

They would adjust accordingly.

Money is a medium of exchange, but it represents something. Paper does have ultiarian value, I can wrap with it, I can write on it. But in the case of paper money no dang fool was ever sitting around in his backyard and stumbled upon a secret mint of dollar bills marked from the Treasury. Unlike gold where yeah. . .every so often some idiot just stumbles on a vein when he's putting in a septic tank. So in that way gold is WORSE. Also we can make lead into gold. It's not worth it but we can actually do it if we care.

However it is a medium of exchange. Currently it basically represents a debt. It's an IOU that everybody has agreed to accept that someone in the future will use their time and energy to serve you if you have one of these IOUs.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

How would they adjust?

Downward? To the benefit of the consumer?

So, does the value of "wrapping" come anywhere near the value of gold?

Gold used to be just jewelry, but now it is a necessary component of technology.

Paper value is easily inflated, and government has inflated it. The only people who ever benefit to an inflation are those closest to it, in other words, those effecting it.

 

[Ishmael]

Once they get here and assume unassailable victim status, emotion is more important than economics, so an economic justification must be jury-rigged to fit the desired circumstance, that they get to stay and enjoy a better life.

At the expense of the citizen, and the citizen that can least afford their being here.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

At the expense of the citizen, and the citizen that can least afford their being here.

Ishmael

The citizen is beginning to wake up to the fact that they are neither the privileged majority nor the favored minority. Even the generational Hispanics get this one. To the Democrats, one Hispanic looks exactly like another...

 

[PayDay]

There is more to do

Combo move for clarity:
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62274523&postcount=496

In a real world with currency that had real value that could be the case. But that isn't the world we live in. We live in a world where nation states manipulate the value of their currencies for their own ends. The US, one of the main architects of this reality, is, like all the other participating nations, caught up in a trap of it's own devise.

And, of course, if you are the worlds reserve currency you have to print enough for everybody the world round to have some, don't you?

Ishmael

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http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=61737075&postcount=690

POST #678----V

Oh look, government jobs for out of work graduates and fired medical employees:

http://nypost.com/2014/10/18/airports-now-hiring-medics-for-ebola-screening/


That's an easy way to pad out some statistics...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jacobfischler/wierdest-ways-the-government-spends-money
Which contains such gems as:

$331,000 on a study that used Voodoo dolls

The National Science Foundation funded research that tested the effects of blood sugar on a spouse’s opinion towards their significant other.

For three weeks, reserachers gave 107 couples 51 pins to stick into what the report called Voodoo dolls.

The study ultimately came to the conclusion that, on average, lower blood sugar made people angrier, and angrier people stuck more pins in their doll.

Coburn was unimpressed with the study’s revelations. “The feeling of anger caused by hunger is so well-known that pop culture has given the feelings their own name: hanger,” the report said.

Or how bout some GAO goodness on wasteful government spending on Employment:
(self sustaining corruption? wat :/ ? )
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...c963bc-53e3-11e4-ba4b-f6333e2c0453_story.html

During a three-year period that ended last fall, more than 57,000 employees were sent home for a month or longer. The tab for these workers exceeded $775*million in salary alone.

The extensive use of administrative leave continues despite government personnel rules that limit paid leave for employees facing discipline to “rare circumstances” in which the employee is considered a threat. The long-standing rules were written in an effort to curb waste and deal quickly with workers accused of misconduct.

And the comptroller general, the top federal official responsible for auditing government finances and practices, has repeatedly ruled that federal workers should not be sidelined for long periods for any reason.

But a report by the Government Accountability Office, first made public by The Washington Post on its Web site Monday, found that 53,000 civilian employees were kept home for one to three months during the three fiscal years that ended in September 2013. About 4,000 were idled for three months to a year and several hundred for one to three years. This is the first time the government has calculated the scope and cost of administrative leave.

The GAO Report:
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-15-79

*GAO found inaccuracies in Office of Personnel Management (OPM) data due to (1) differences between agencies' leave recording practices and what OPM officials consider paid administrative leave; and (2) differences in what payroll providers report to OPM as paid administrative leave. For example, VA employees record all authorized official time for union activities as paid administrative leave in the agency's time and attendance system. In addition, one payroll provider includes federal holidays as administrative leave when reporting the data to OPM. OPM officials said that, in both instances, they would not expect such absences to be recorded as administrative leave. These variations occur because OPM has not provided guidance on what agencies should record and has provided limited guidance on what payroll providers should report as paid administrative leave. Such guidance could help agencies better manage the federal workforce.

*After separating federal holidays from the payroll data, OPM-reported data showed that from fiscal year 2011 through 2013, paid administrative leave accounted for less than 1 percent of total paid work days and estimated salary cost. Over these 3 years, about 97 percent of employees charged 20 days or less (see figure). For the same time period, 263 employees charged between 1 and 3 years of paid administrative leave, with an estimated salary cost of $31 million.
...
What GAO Recommends

GAO recommends that OPM develop agency and payroll provider guidance regarding the recording and reporting of paid administrative leave. OPM partially concurred agreeing to clarify guidance to agencies and payroll providers, but said it could not direct agencies on how to collect such data. GAO continues to believe the recommendations are valid.

The reccomendations are on the GAO site.

It seems to me, considering the wasteful spending and lack of oversight, that there shouldn't even be a National Debt...

Seriously... Think of the money the Government could save.
Why?

Well instead of being indebted to other nations, what if they owed US(A) money?

...?

Well:
Still, as you will see, the Federal Reserve has similarities to the country's first attempt at central banking, and in that regard it owes an intellectual debt to Alexander Hamilton. "There is scarcely any point in the economy of national affairs of greater moment than the uniform preservation of the intrinsic value of the money unit," Hamilton wrote in 1791, one week after the Senate approved his bank bill, and sounding like a modern-day Fed chairman. "On this, the security and steady value of property essentially depend."

https://www.minneapolisfed.org/community_education/student/centralbankhistory/bank.cfm?&TC=1

And: Why the need for debt? I dunno, this is about it:
http://www.ted.com/conversations/22671/why_can_t_countries_function_w.html

Same thing different words. I just backed up Ishmael's bold claim.

 

[Sean Renaud]

How would they adjust?

Downward? To the benefit of the consumer?

So, does the value of "wrapping" come anywhere near the value of gold?

Gold used to be just jewelry, but now it is a necessary component of technology.

Paper value is easily inflated, and government has inflated it. The only people who ever benefit to an inflation are those closest to it, in other words, those effecting it.

However was necessitated by the scenario. They might pick up a new currency if it became absolutely necessary but they'd figure out what was appropriate. It wouldn't be to the benefit of the consumer, not intentionally anyway.

Gold was never just jewelry but I wrap a lot more things than I wear jewelry wise and the value of books and the knowledge held within far out straps pretty baubles.

Gold is just as easily inflated, deflated of what not but the government has not inflated it. The banks did if you want to blame someone and reality did anyway.

Everbody and nobody benefits from inflation. IT's just one of those things that is but we're getting off topic.

Do you agree that money is basically an IOU or do you have another definition for it?

 

[Ishmael]

The citizen is beginning to wake up to the fact that they are neither the privileged majority nor the favored minority. Even the generational Hispanics get this one. To the Democrats, one Hispanic looks exactly like another...

Useful tools in their lust for power. Exit polling showed that over 3 out of 4 voters are against the amnesty promised. Even here in NM, the Hispanic population wants the illegals gone by a 67+/-% margin. I don't see how the democrats are thinking this is a winner.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Useful tools in their lust for power. Exit polling showed that over 3 out of 4 voters are against the amnesty promised. Even here in NM, the Hispanic population wants the illegals gone by a 67+/-% margin. I don't see how the democrats are thinking this is a winner.

Ishmael

The isolation of DC, it's become the Forbidden City.

 

[Sean Renaud]

First, once they get to American one Hispanic is another for all intents and purposes. No single group of them has enough of a national standing to stand on their own. I'm sure in Florida they can tell the Cubans from the Mexicans because it's important there but for most Americans they are the same.

Dems don't think it's a winner. They know it's the right things and we're too fucking stupid to lie.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

However was necessitated by the scenario. They might pick up a new currency if it became absolutely necessary but they'd figure out what was appropriate. It wouldn't be to the benefit of the consumer, not intentionally anyway.

Gold was never just jewelry but I wrap a lot more things than I wear jewelry wise and the value of books and the knowledge held within far out straps pretty baubles.

Gold is just as easily inflated, deflated of what not but the government has not inflated it. The banks did if you want to blame someone and reality did anyway.

Everbody and nobody benefits from inflation. IT's just one of those things that is but we're getting off topic.

Do you agree that money is basically an IOU or do you have another definition for it?

How you do inflate the gold supply? The more you have of it, the more its price deflates. It becomes less valuable. The same is true for paper with one caveat, it can go to zero. It's just paper. If you think nobody benefits from inflation, then you are not paying attention to Wall Street. Money is making money hand over fist while the Middle Class, which has little discretionary income to invest is getting hammered. Thanks to low interest rates, they cannot even save without losing ground. That's what government does to both its friends and its wards when it decides that it can create prosperity with money sans demand.

You still have not made a case for why money has to continually inflate according to the laws of The Universe.

 

[Sean Renaud]

How you do inflate the gold supply? The more you have of it, the more its price deflates. It becomes less valuable. The same is true for paper with one caveat, it can go to zero. It's just paper. If you think nobody benefits from inflation, then you are not paying attention to Wall Street. Money is making money hand over fist while the Middle Class, which has little discretionary income to invest is getting hammered. Thanks to low interest rates, they cannot even save without losing ground. That's what government does to both its friends and its wards when it decides that it can create prosperity with money sans demand.

You still have not made a case for why money has to continually inflate according to the laws of The Universe.

You dig, you pan, in a pinch you create it. And thats if you need to inflate the SUPPLY and not the VALUE. You inflate the value simply by saying you now need two pounds to pay for an apple isntead of one.

I think everybody benefits from inflation. Of course Wall Street is making money, that's what they do and have always done and will always do. That is just what the rich do. There are ways to stop them if you're interested but people aren't really interested in that and with good reason for the most part.

You could NEVER save money without losing ground in the grand scheme of things. That has nothing to do with the government creating money.

I'm getting to making that point I need to know what you think money is or rather represents first. It's important to explaining why money needs to continually inflate.

 

[Que]

Useful tools in their lust for power. Exit polling showed that over 3 out of 4 voters are against the amnesty promised. Even here in NM, the Hispanic population wants the illegals gone by a 67+/-% margin. I don't see how the democrats are thinking this is a winner.

Ishmael

It isn't. No group except fringe open borders types wants amnesty. It is such a bad idea that no conservative reasonably make a case for it, so it becomes a useful "You just hate brown people" cudgel.

If our problem was exactly the same but white canadians streaming over the border with no education, no skills and no money, it would not even be something discussed.

Democrats do not want amnesty either, or they would have done it before the 2010 election. They did not even float a bill.

Now that they cannot float a bill in either chamber they are breathing a HUGE sign of relief because now they can go back to demanding it, while doing absolutely nothing about it.

 

[Que]

You dig, you pan, in a pinch you create it. And thats if you need to inflate the SUPPLY and not the VALUE. You inflate the value simply by saying you now need two pounds to pay for an apple isntead of one.

I think everybody benefits from inflation. Of course Wall Street is making money, that's what they do and have always done and will always do. That is just what the rich do. There are ways to stop them if you're interested but people aren't really interested in that and with good reason for the most part.

You could NEVER save money without losing ground in the grand scheme of things. That has nothing to do with the government creating money.

I'm getting to making that point I need to know what you think money is or rather represents first. It's important to explaining why money needs to continually inflate.

You cannot say you need two pounds of gold for an apple if an apple is worth one pound. If I mine gold I know how to convert apples to gold and I do not give away my gold for less. Ever. I look to see if I can get 11 apples for 10 lbs of gold.

I look at what it will cost me in gold to ship 2 apples for one pound of gold from south america in the off season.

You cannot "announce" that gold is worth less. You can, and gov'ts do announce that old paper pesos must now be turned in 10,000 to 1 new paper peso.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It isn't. No group except fringe open borders types wants amnesty. It is such a bad idea that no conservative reasonably make a case for it, so it becomes a useful "You just hate brown people" cudgel.

If our problem was exactly the same but white canadians streaming over the border with no education, no skills and no money, it would not even be something discussed.

Democrats do not want amnesty either, or they would have done it before the 2010 election. They did not even float a bill.

Now that they cannot float a bill in either chamber they are breathing a HUGE sign of relief because now they can go back to demanding it, while doing absolutely nothing about it.

Well that is kind of a huge part of the conversation and it's really dishonest on our part that we don't bash you with it constantly.

 

[Que]

Well that is kind of a huge part of the conversation and it's really dishonest on our part that we don't bash you with it constantly.

No, it is dumb on "our" part that we don't point out that Democrats are not calling for immigration from China and Estonia.

A friend of mine solved the no women in this town problem at great expense by meeting a mail-order Russian bride. He had to meet and court her and her family in their country, invite them out here, take pictures and document all of that for INS and they still will not consider her a citizen (they are married and living at 10,000 fee elevation in the snow now) for YEARS.

I could marry a Mexican citizen tomorrow and I guarantee you INS will not deport her, ever. Whether she stays with me or leaves my ass.

Actually that sounds kind of good...

 

[kbate]

I'm having a real difficult time with this. Illegal is illegal, I just can't comprehend why this is so difficult for people to understand. I don't give a shit where they're from, if they're here illegally they need to go home. I'd give them a 90 day grace period to get the hell out of the country and if they're caught after that not only are they deported, but they will be forever banned from making application for legal immigration status of any sort whatsoever.

I agree with virtually everyone that our immigration laws have to be revamped. But that effort starts with securing the border. And making it a felony to employ any individual that is in the country illegally. The usurious employers have to be made to pay, and pay dearly.

It would seem to me that the democrats would be all over that one like ticks on kbate's beagles. After all they've been telling us for decades that the only reason those illegals are here to begin with is because of those scum sucking republican businessmen that want to enslave the illegal immigrant. But the way they behave it looks like there are some democrat businessmen doing some enslaving of their own.

There has to be a rational and simple program for seasonal labor. One that does not include the government charging such fees as to make taking the risk of hiring the illegals attractive.

And the approved immigrant shouldn't have to be paying upwards of $50,000 to immigration attorneys to finally gain citizenship. That, like many other democrat initiatives, is nothing more than an attorney full employment program.

The "Family Reunification" clause has to be eliminated from the law other than spouse and children. If your here to become an US citizen you should abandon all thoughts of importing your extended family.

There is a huge body of illegals out there that have gone missing on student visa's. (And they aren't from Central America either.) An effective way to deal with those folks has to be written into the law as well. Of course, making it virtually impossible for them to find gainful employment will take care of the greater number of those people.

That's just a start.

Yes, because you are a totalitarian and absolutist, mostly illegal is only illegal if you have no one in power to back you up. You don't mind a lot of illegal when it benefits republicans, you didn't mind it when our troops in Iraq broke laws and killed illegally, you didn't mind breaking our laws to interrogate prisoners. But here it's "The law is the law".

Give me your plan to secure our border. We have 6000 miles of land border and 12000 miles of coastline.

Making employers pay dearly will only shutter doors and kill jobs entirely. Unless you plan to have a government office of confiscated businesses to sell back to 'good guys', it simply won't work.

nice bit of sophistry in the "beagle's" paragraph, but no truth.

So how many policemen, border agents and INS agents does your enforcement plan require?

Of course we need a revamped immigration code, everyone knows it, but it won't start with "Everyone go home" - and you should know that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You cannot say you need two pounds of gold for an apple if an apple is worth one pound. If I mine gold I know how to convert apples to gold and I do not give away my gold for less. Ever. I look to see if I can get 11 apples for 10 lbs of gold.

I look at what it will cost me in gold to ship 2 apples for one pound of gold from south america in the off season.

You cannot "announce" that gold is worth less. You can, and gov'ts do announce that old paper pesos must now be turned in 10,000 to 1 new paper peso.

What the apple is worth however will change unless for some crazy magical reason they are static. He wants to know what would happen to money if it was measured in gold and the amount was static. Well if the price of apples right now is a pound of gold per apple because I only have 100 apples, when I have 200 apples you aren't going to pay one pound in gold for them. And if I only have 50 apples you aren't going to pay one pound either.

Supply and demand works that way there is no need to announce it the market will simply declare it so in the real world. The fact that its easier with paper to figure out the nuances doesn't make the nuances any different.

For the record I can just announce that gold is worth more or less. The same way people declare on a nearly daily basis that oil is worth more or worth less and its quite a bit more vital to day to day survival than is gold.

No, it is dumb on "our" part that we don't point out that Democrats are not calling for immigration from China and Estonia.

A friend of mine solved the no women in this town problem at great expense by meeting a mail-order Russian bride. He had to meet and court her and her family in their country, invite them out here, take pictures and document all of that for INS and they still will not consider her a citizen (they are married and living at 10,000 fee elevation in the snow now) for YEARS.

I could marry a Mexican citizen tomorrow and I guarantee you INS will not deport her, ever. Whether she stays with me or leaves my ass.

Actually that sounds kind of good...

Nobody is calling for immigration from anywhere so have fun trying that retarded line out.

The rest of that. . .god I sometimes forget you were dropped on your head as an infant.

 

[Que]

amnesty is not defacto immigration after the fact???

Even if the supply of apples is cut in half for a season there are other substitutes. The market is for a sweet crunchy treat. No one has to buy an apple. The temporary price fluctuations are not inflation. If, as you say, the price of an apple doubled, people will plant apple trees. Within a few years the apples will become common again.

Inflation is what happens when an apple costs more each and every season with all other factors remaining the same.

Oranges used to be a rare delicacy. See california, florida and arizona.

 

[Sean Renaud]

amnesty is not defacto immigration after the fact???

Even if the supply of apples is cut in half for a season there are other substitutes. The market is for a sweet crunchy treat. No one has to buy an apple. The temporary price fluctuations are not inflation. If, as you say, the price of an apple doubled, people will plant apple trees. Within a few years the apples will become common again.

Inflation is what happens when an apple costs more each and every season with all other factors remaining the same.

Oranges used to be a rare delicacy. See california, florida and arizona.

No it's not. They aren't even similar. Haven't heard any democrats really pushing for amnesty either.

At this point you're being obtuse. His question again, was how would the market adjust to a finite money supply. If everything every where that we currently buy doubled what do you think would happen to it's price in dollars if dollars remained 100% static? If everything in the universe, I mean everything porn, apples, widgets, oil,ceiling fans, music, strippers (don't ask how) were cut in half tommorow what would that do to their value in dollars?

 

[Que]

No it's not. They aren't even similar. Haven't heard any democrats really pushing for amnesty either.

At this point you're being obtuse. His question again, was how would the market adjust to a finite money supply. If everything every where that we currently buy doubled what do you think would happen to it's price in dollars if dollars remained 100% static? If everything in the universe, I mean everything porn, apples, widgets, oil,ceiling fans, music, strippers (don't ask how) were cut in half tommorow what would that do to their value in dollars?

Not only do market sectors not move in tandem so that your hypothetical would never happen, if it did it would be a HUGE opportunity to ramp up production of whatever it is that you do, make, produce, ship or package. in short order some product or service would materialize to fill demand.

There is always a substitute you can spend your money on.