Your Ebola Education Thread

[about_average]

Interesting interview
http://www.npr.org/2014/10/16/356728080/u-s-could-learn-lessons-from-africas-ebola-response

RUBINSON: Personal protection I'd been teaching almost all of my career. But honestly, the personal protection equipment that we use there[Africa], which is mostly applying World Health Organization and MSF principles for PPE, were more extensive than anything I had seen before. And when you get there, you're not trying to re-create the wheel. You get there, you meet people who've been doing it successfully, you know that Doctors Without Borders has been responding to Ebola for 20 years and there's been a lot of different thought and implementation and lessons on what personal protective equipment to use. So while I did jump right in, I had excellent buddies teaching me each step of the way. And again, it wasn't like I was unfamiliar with it, but you still need to learn the processes that they want to employ.

 

[Riles]

I said this earlier: 2 out of 50+ HCP says something. Standard Precautions and infection control are not be something that needs to be taught for every sick patient encountered, but SHOULD be monitored, refreshed and absolute.

 

[Jennifer]

This is dark humor:

http://thehappyhospitalist.blogspot.com/2014/10/Ebola-CDC-Flowchart-Blames-Nurses.html

Thank you for sharing-this is hilarious. I will show my coworkers this weekend and post in the surgeon's lounge.

 

[Jennifer]

I said this earlier: 2 out of 50+ HCP says something. Standard Precautions and infection control are not be something that needs to be taught for every sick patient encountered, but SHOULD be monitored, refreshed and absolute.

your common sense is intoxicating.

 

[about_average]

I said this earlier: 2 out of 50+ HCP says something.

I think it says a lot, considering that, as far as I've heard, they hadn't had any specific ebola or suspected ebola related training.

I'm sure we'll never know the real path to infection, but I'd be willing to bet it was a protocol breach. Which isn't doesn't mean they were poor nurses or anything like that. It could happen to anyone not well trained.
Ok, one wasn't very smart, the one who flew with an elevated temp.
It's hard to believe, even with just everything in the news, she wasn't aware that that is one of the early signs of infection.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The number of clueless numnutz here is frightening.

Ebola isn't the problem its the costs and inconveniences and human messes associated with ebola that will get us. Those goddamned nurses exposed to ebola are out and about putting the brakes on America because theyre too fucking stupid to stay home. The people on the cruise ship should drown that bitch.

 

[Riles]

your common sense is intoxicating.

It's a sad truth, isn't it?

 

[about_average]

The number of clueless numnutz here is frightening.

Then

Ebola isn't the problem its the costs and inconveniences and human messes associated with ebola that will get us.

1. The US economy, assuming it's even damaged, will recover. It always has.
2. Not many people recover from being dead.

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.wbay.com/story/26813913/2014/10/17/how-to-catch-ebola

How to catch Ebola:

1. You must come in contact with a person who traveled from an Ebola-infected region, such as Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Democratic Republic of Congo, Nigeria or Senegal (the World Health Organization may declare Nigeria Ebola-free after no new cases have been reported since August 1st, and Senegal hasn't confirmed another case since August 29) or someone who has come in very close contact with a person from those areas.

2. The person you come in contact with must be experiencing symptoms. These can start with vague, flu-like symptoms including an elevated temperature, body aches and abdominal pain, before advancing to vomiting and diarrhea and unexplained bleeding. Though scientists are investigating concerns the Ebola virus can be contagious before symptoms are present, the most authoritative studies since the virus was discovered in 1976 still say it is not. The incubation period is 2 to 21 days from the time of infection until symptoms appear.

3. If the person is experiencing symptoms, you must have close contact with them -- bodily fluid contact. You must come in contact with saliva, blood, urine, feces, semen, or vomit. The World Health Organization says blood, feces and vomit are the most infectious fluids. The virus is found in saliva mostly once patients are severely ill. The whole, live virus has never been culled from sweat.

Then, those fluids must have a way to get into your body, such as a cut in your skin or touching your nose, mouth or eyes. You may be able to catch Ebola through sexual contact or by sharing eating utensils or drinking from the same glass. You won't catch Ebola simply by sitting next to an infected person on a bus or a plane without some bodily fluid contact, such as splatter from a sneeze or cough.

Even in these circumstances, infection is not guaranteed. The first Ebola patient in the U.S., Thomas Duncan, was violently ill in a Dallas apartment before he was treated at a hospital until he died. Inexplicably, the family who had the closest contact with Duncan was quarantined in that same apartment, with soiled bed sheets and other evidence of his illness, and none of them became sick. The people who did get sick were health care workers treating Duncan as his symptoms worsened.

The CDC says the Ebola virus can live on surfaces such as doorknobs or toilets for several hours. However, it's easily killed with bleach or hospital disinfectant.

Sources: Associated Press, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, World Health Organization

 

[RobDownSouth]

http://www.wbay.com/story/26813913/2014/10/17/how-to-catch-ebola

The first Ebola patient in the U.S., Thomas Duncan, was violently ill in a Dallas apartment before he was treated at a hospital until he died. Inexplicably, the family who had the closest contact with Duncan was quarantined in that same apartment, with soiled bed sheets and other evidence of his illness, and none of them became sick

You're taking all the joy out of Wingnut Nation's "Lets All Be Scared" party.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Then

1. The US economy, assuming it's even damaged, will recover. It always has.
2. Not many people recover from being dead.

Keep assuring yourself.

 

[about_average]

Keep assuring yourself.

You have any evidence what I said isn't true?

 

[snugglestruggle]

Please restrict the political & personal pissing matches to other threads. Thanks.

Ebola running ahead of the responce

 

[Ishmael]

Please restrict the political & personal pissing matches to other threads. Thanks.

Ebola running ahead of the responce

Not any surprise there is there?

Looking at the time line and propagation rate it appears to have been out of control before anyone saw it as a serious threat, let alone start to throw resources at it.

Hopefully we've heard the last of any infection spreading from the patient 0 case in Dallas. *knock on wood*

It also appears that hospitals nation wide are beginning to get their act together regarding a response to an infection in their local area. Standardization of protocols, training, making up 'teams' so as to limit the number of individuals that might come in contact with the patient, etc.

What still irritates me is that while all of these plans and procedures are being put into place (good), they are all based on the expectation that they will eventually end up treating the disease while no particular effort is being made to ensure that no case will enter the nation that will require treatment to begin with.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You have any evidence what I said isn't true?

The history of the world.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Please restrict the political & personal pissing matches to other threads. Thanks.

Ebola running ahead of the responce

Is it time to panic in the streets yet? Hmmm?

 

[snugglestruggle]

I fount this article Informative http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/31/world/africa/ebola-virus-outbreak-qa.html

Another http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/world/africa/in-liberias-capital-an-ebola-outbreak-like-no-other.html?_r=0

 

[JohnnySavage]

Don't swap bodily fluids with anyone that has a fever.


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[about_average]

The history of the world.

History of the world is evidence the US economy hasn't always recovered? Or that dead people recover?

 

[snugglestruggle]

A couple more from the Washington Post

Do the Math

how-ebola-sped-out-of-control

 

[FGB]

Has this been posted yet?

I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No One Is Telling You About Ebola

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-...ospi_b_5998486.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

 

[snugglestruggle]

Has this been posted yet?

I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No One Is Telling You About Ebola

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-...ospi_b_5998486.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

I've not seen it before, thanks. It's work trying to find good articles to post. Almost everything is infected with politics which is ironic. The microbes don't care about politics. I wish more people in the know would speak up. All the usual experts CDC,WHO,NIH have dropped the ball. Doctors without borders and the Army seem to be the only ones up to speed on what needs to be done.

 

[doctor_insanus]

I'm really tired of how everything is seen through a political lens. Politics is as bad as Ebola.

How typical of an agent of Government to suggest more government. Who did he recommend as Ebola Tzar, Dr. Pepper? What a Grup!

You took the first political cheap shot, Spanky. Don't accuse the President of using a Magic 8 Ball and then get a case of the vapors when you get called out for it.

This whole mess has been exasperated by the government hatin' teabaggers refusing to allow as many appointments as possible, and underfunding the CDC at every opportunity.

 

[about_average]

Here's What No One Is Telling You About Ebola

Ummm...I read that, what has no one told us about Ebola?
There was a lot about PPE but I seem to have missed what no one has told us about Ebola.

 

[about_average]

Doctors without borders and the Army seem to be the only ones up to speed on what needs to be done.

Doctors Without Borders appreciates the army's help, but isn't impressed by their progress. But at least they recognize that's because the army administrators aren't used to this.
DWB does it all the time so they know how to do it quickly and effectively. The 101st's work in Africa should have been put under them from the get go. But...politics.