Here is what pisses me off about MIA Obama

[Colonel Hogan]

I haven't followed those cases particularly closely or this outbreak in all but the broadest terms. But Ebola isn't unsurvivable to begin with and I imagine that the difference between well funded US hospitals and medical care in Africa is pretty goddamn radical.

I know they tried some experimental drugs that seem to be showing promise and I hope that is what is working but the skeptic in me says superior medical care is superior.

The qualitative difference in health care is, indeed, the biggest factor. For example, the nurse in Texas just received a blood transfusion from the doctor who was successfully treated in Atlanta with the experimental drug you mentioned. So now, his strengthened antibodies are flowing through her system.

Can you imagine finding a place in rural western Africa readily accessible and able to give blood transfusions on a wide scale?

 

[Que]

So people want to blame Obama for Ebola in the US, causing one person's death, a person that went to a PRIVATE hospital in a RED state.

I mean, the Right believes Obama causes everything, but can he really be blamed for this. Governor Perry IS in favor of smaller government, less intrusion. Is he now wanting the Feds in?

Way to obediently pick up on and re-broadcast the stupidest, most irrelevant talking point of the administrations professional apologists.

 

[cowslinger64]

The qualitative difference in health care is, indeed, the biggest factor. For example, the nurse in Texas just received a blood transfusion from the doctor who was successfully treated in Atlanta with the experimental drug you mentioned. So now, his strengthened antibodies are flowing through her system.

Can you imagine finding a place in rural western Africa readily accessible and able to give blood transfusions on a wide scale?

The chickenhawk lunatics here are going to be very disappointed...they're really expecting a lot of people to die due to it..Otherwise they'll have to find something else to blame on Obama..

 

[Sean Renaud]

The qualitative difference in health care is, indeed, the biggest factor. For example, the nurse in Texas just received a blood transfusion from the doctor who was successfully treated in Atlanta with the experimental drug you mentioned. So now, his strengthened antibodies are flowing through her system.

Can you imagine finding a place in rural western Africa readily accessible and able to give blood transfusions on a wide scale?

No I can't. But that's kind why I'm still a bit skeptical about drugs and cures. We have the tech and the money to work minor miracles. I know Ebola has a fatality rate of anywhere from 50-90% (and I think the high end numbers are a bit unfair. A quick glance at the Wikipedia pages shows me that if two people contract it and both die it's 100% fatal. if 500 catch it and 125 live it's 75% yadda yadda too small sample size.) In this case what if this guy just lived because we had the means and she lives because he did? It just seems a bit early for he happy dance.

 

[cowslinger64]

Way to obediently pick up on and re-broadcast the stupidest, most irrelevant talking point of the administrations professional apologists.

You're quite the snarky asshole today, cue ball... didn't get laid this week? Month? Year?


And that is a relevant point..

Republican budget cutting nearly halved CDC's emergency preparedness since 2006

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...alved-CDC-s-emergency-preparedness-since-2006


There's lots of similar stories before you whine about where it came from.

 

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[Que]

You're quite the snarky asshole today, cue ball... didn't get laid this week? Month? Year?


And that is a relevant point..

Republican budget cutting nearly halved CDC's emergency preparedness since 2006

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...alved-CDC-s-emergency-preparedness-since-2006


There's lots of similar stories before you whine about where it came from.

Ive bored of the lefty blogs lately so I was unaware that there was a new, improved, irrelevant talking point in the offing. You are right, I should not have castigated RJ for his stupidity when yours is worse.

Lets see...which party designed the entire HUGE budget that the bloated government has been operating under with continuing resolutions by feckless Republicans for the last four years since the Democrats were thrown out for their profligate spending? Was that the Democrats? Pelosi, Reid, and Obama? Setting every single line item in those budgets?

 

[cowslinger64]

That is a lie, the CDC is currently operating on a budget number more than that requested by Obama:

According to the Atlanta Business Chronicle, in January the CDC won in the budget deal.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will see an 8.2 percent budget increase for fiscal 2014, thanks to a $1.1 trillion spending bill announced by Congress Jan. 13.

But not just that. There was also this nugget of news:

This influx of cash will raise the CDC budget to $6.9 billion, which is $567 million more than it received in 2013. This is more than the agency anticipated, because the president’s fiscal year 2014 budget request for it was just $6.6 billion — a decrease of $270 million from fiscal 2012.

Yes, you read that right. Republicans in the House of Representatives voted to give the CDC more money that President Obama requested. And what did the CDC intend to do with all that money. Cure Ebola?

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2014/01/17/cdc-wins-in-budget-deal.html?page=all

http://www.redstate.com/2014/10/14/...e-for-the-cdc-this-year-than-obama-requested/

That's a lie. I can post a bazillion stories saying the opposite.

So who's bullshit ain't bullshit? Guess we'll never know, cause I'm not quite that bored.


Thanks for posting to me, I missed you.

 

[Que]

That's a lie. I can post a bazillion stories saying the opposite.

So who's bullshit ain't bullshit? Guess we'll never know, cause I'm not quite that bored.


Thanks for posting to me, I missed you.

just because a "bazillion" administration apologist assert something that isn't true doesn;t make it so. Vette posted the actual budget numbers, and as I point out the baseline budgets set by the Pelosi Congress remain intact.

 

[cowslinger64]

Ive bored of the lefty blogs lately so I was unaware that there was a new, improved, irrelevant talking point in the offing. You are right, I should not have castigated RJ for his stupidity when yours is worse.

Lets see...which party designed the entire HUGE budget that the bloated government has been operating under with continuing resolutions by feckless Republicans for the last four years since the Democrats were thrown out for their profligate spending? Was that the Democrats? Pelosi, Reid, and Obama? Setting every single line item in those budgets?

Lol...yer funny. I remember telling you that you weren't, but you just proved otherwise.


It's also funny seeing you say stuff to me while hiding at home. I wish you were closer.

 

[cowslinger64]

just because a "bazillion" administration apologist assert something that isn't true doesn;t make it so. Vette posted the actual budget numbers, and as I point out the baseline budgets set by the Pelosi Congress remain intact.

He posted stuff from a bullshit site...just like you post stuff from the bullshit that fills your gigantic, bulbous head.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Someone just go pull the official numbers, we have lots of people who have proven quite capable of going straight to the official government source.

 

[Que]

Lol...yer funny. I remember telling you that you weren't, but you just proved otherwise.


It's also funny seeing you say stuff to me while hiding at home. I wish you were closer.

What "stuff" would that be, tough guy?

 

[Colonel Hogan]

No I can't. But that's kind why I'm still a bit skeptical about drugs and cures. We have the tech and the money to work minor miracles. I know Ebola has a fatality rate of anywhere from 50-90% (and I think the high end numbers are a bit unfair. A quick glance at the Wikipedia pages shows me that if two people contract it and both die it's 100% fatal. if 500 catch it and 125 live it's 75% yadda yadda too small sample size.) In this case what if this guy just lived because we had the means and she lives because he did? It just seems a bit early for he happy dance.

Well, here's the good news and the bad news, imho.

The good news was that the nurse was a nurse and was obviously smart enough to realize she was symptomatic and needed to get her ass to the hospital ASAP. What if she had just been typical citizen X with a hundred different errands to run and didn't feel she had time to take out of her busy day and see a doctor? The first real communicable danger of Ebola is that period between when you first contract it but it hasn't yet knocked your ass onto your potential death bed.

The bad news is that despite her being a nurse and believing that she had meticulously followed all the correct protective measures and that she was administering a superior standard of medical care to the patient, she got it anyway.

Hmmm. I don't think I want to dance with you either. Especially as much as I sweat when I'm doing it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yeah, but as I understand it Ebola tends to knock you down and out pretty quick, isn't generally airborne (I do remember something about it going from monkeys to rats without direct contact a few months ago) and up until now has always sort of burned itself out quickly enough.

 

[Wings]

Yeah, but as I understand it Ebola tends to knock you down and out pretty quick, isn't generally airborne (I do remember something about it going from monkeys to rats without direct contact a few months ago) and up until now has always sort of burned itself out quickly enough.

Incubation period of 2 to 21 days. That's a huge swing. HUGE!

 

[richard_daily]

Seriously, Rick Perry let ebola loose in his libertarian paradise... Not cool.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Incubation period of 2 to 21 days. That's a huge swing. HUGE!

What's the average though? That is a huge swing and if I were setting up a quarantine I'd probably err on the side of 28 days (later) and hope they didn't get angry or nothing.

But what does it take on average since again the reason why Ebola isn't the flu is it kills, it kills quickly and it basically prevents itself from spreading. It's sort of it's own worst enemy when you think about it.

 

[Wings]

What's the average though? That is a huge swing and if I were setting up a quarantine I'd probably err on the side of 28 days (later) and hope they didn't get angry or nothing.

But what does it take on average since again the reason why Ebola isn't the flu is it kills, it kills quickly and it basically prevents itself from spreading. It's sort of it's own worst enemy when you think about it.

They aren't finding a set number, that's a big part of the problem. It isn't airborne and that's a good thing but clearly it's trouble. When you contract it from eating bush meat, how do you prevent that? Not eat? Kill all the fruit bats? I mean, it's so complicated and a problem I'm glad I'm not in charge of solving.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

To be honest, I believe that we are headed for an apocalyptic event at some point, anyway, so it's just a matter of what, where, when, etc. If it ain't Ebola, it will be something else. I've been expecting some sort of global calamity to strike sooner or later. I've known that it will in my bones all my life. It's been only a matter of time and place.

Now, I know that is on faith, without evidence, in case you jump on me for lack of empirical data supporting my conclusion.

 

[Wings]

Every generation since the beginning of time has been expecting the same sort of calamity. The world will end eventually.

 

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[about_average]

The bad news is that despite her being a nurse and believing that she had meticulously followed all the correct protective measures and that she was administering a superior standard of medical care to the patient, she got it anyway.

A recent (last week I think) survey of about 2000 nurses around the country showed that most hospitals are not very well prepared and training for staff is woefully lacking.
Doffing the gear after treating a patient is the most risky time and if the process is so infrequent that the person has to think about what they are doing it's pretty easy to contaminate yourself.

Incubation period of 2 to 21 days. That's a huge swing. HUGE!

Yes, but not a contagious period. Once you're contagious it does incapacitate you pretty quick, from what I've read.

 

[Wings]

A recent (last week I think) survey of about 2000 nurses around the country showed that most hospitals are not very well prepared and training for staff is woefully lacking.
Doffing the gear after treating a patient is the most risky time and if the process is so infrequent that the person has to think about what they are doing it's pretty easy to contaminate yourself.

Yes, but not a contagious period. Once you're contagious it does incapacitate you pretty quick, from what I've read.

Since you're only contagious when you're showing symptoms then yes, it will take you down quickly.