Proof that AJ's lying through his teeth - again

[4est_4est_Gump]

And Miles, Query, Vette's, etc. etc. ancestors may have viewed your ancestors the same way?

My God you're not even trying anymore. You're just flat out falling on your face.

teehee

Yes, that's true.

Throb's surely did.

Your just trying to pile on.

You do not even care what is being said.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I missed something.

When did Butters call you a racist?

Look at the post above.

Throb called me another slur...

She quoted it and was giggling with him.

I called her out over that and that's when she played the "sub-human" card to let me know that I was no better than him to justify her giggling.

But nothing in anything I said all those years ago was racist, it was all pretty much political and observations about human behavior and the inability to abrogate it when they have accepted that which unacceptable.

 

[anchoredinocean]

Yes, that's true.

Throb's surely did.

Your just trying to pile on.

You do not even care what is being said.

Well I am guilty of liking to pile on, but I surely can read and figure out that you're a liar, but then that's nothing new or surprising.

 

[butters]

You have provided not one single example of me saying anything like that.

I see them as less than human

Bullshit.

I said those words and I stand by them.

The words butters put into my mouth were definitely made up to say that I was being a racist because I said it about "Haitians" when I actually mentioned also a certain religion.

 

[Disgustipated]

Well I am guilty of liking to pile on, but I surely can read and figure out that you're a liar, but then that's nothing new or surprising.

This. Just this is all that needs to be said.

 

[eyer]

Certainly you don't think I'm intimidated by you.

Of course you are.

Where in Detroit do you live, wannabe?

 

[Ishmael]

Haitians are the citizens of a nation, NOT a race.

They live the way they do as a result of their own decisions and actions. Which is sad in that they were the first free nation formed in the western hemisphere as a result of a slave revolt.

Ishmael

 

[cjh]

Look at the post above.

Throb called me another slur...

She quoted it and was giggling with him.

I called her out over that and that's when she played the "sub-human" card to let me know that I was no better than him to justify her giggling.

But nothing in anything I said all those years ago was racist, it was all pretty much political and observations about human behavior and the inability to abrogate it when they have accepted that which unacceptable.

I didn't read it as criticism based on purported views of race, that is blacks don't deserve to be called people.

I read it as criticism based on stating a people did not merit sympathy because they did not deserve to be considered people. It could have been Iceland instead of Haiti and the criticism would have been the same.

 

[pointless]

Haitians are the citizens of a nation, NOT a race.

They live the way they do as a result of their own decisions and actions. Which is sad in that they were the first free nation formed in the western hemisphere as a result of a slave revolt.

Ishmael

*cough*

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

- U.S. Marine Corps Major General, Smedley Butler, two time medal of honor winner.

 

[Queersetti]

When someone in the RWCJ fucks up, they always try and make it about me. Always.

So, as cjh said, why make it easier for them?

 

[Queersetti]

Look at the post above.

Throb called me another slur...

She quoted it and was giggling with him.

I called her out over that and that's when she played the "sub-human" card to let me know that I was no better than him to justify her giggling.

But nothing in anything I said all those years ago was racist, it was all pretty much political and observations about human behavior and the inability to abrogate it when they have accepted that which unacceptable.

So, your defense is that you weren't saying they were subhuman because of their race, you were saying they were subhuman because they didn't share your political outlook?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Haitians are the citizens of a nation, NOT a race.

They live the way they do as a result of their own decisions and actions. Which is sad in that they were the first free nation formed in the western hemisphere as a result of a slave revolt.

Ishmael

So, are you saying it's the country you live in that makes you "less than human", and NOT your race?

That would explain Vetty's position on Mexicans.
:nods:

 

[MeeMie]

I think he spoke of less than human conditions affecting Haitians. Many would agree, if they bothered to actually hear what he said before and after the words "less than human" being used like a noose around his neck.

Millions of articles and studies have documented truly sub-human conditions affecting Haitians for generations:

A few to mention:

"According to the United Nations, restavecs affect 1 in 10 children in Haiti. Restavecs reduce children to sub-human status. "
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~bolto20k/classweb/worldpol/Slavery.html

"people – the majority of which are Haitian descent – continue to live here in subhuman conditions with little to no access to clean water, electricity, or nutritious foods."
http://www.tuftsgloballeadership.org/blog/food-insecurity-bateyes

"Tracking the Zombie Diaspora: From Sub-human to Post-human"
http://codeless88.wordpress.com/tracking-the-zombie-diaspora/
http://ualresearchonline.arts.ac.uk/772/

“The families of Jardim Gramacho live in subhuman conditions due to the closure of the landfill. It really is the Brazilian Haiti,”
https://www.facebook.com/roarmag/posts/867456973264725

"Haiti's poorest earthquake victims are left exactly where they were on Jan. 13, 2010 - in tents and under tarps, living in subhuman conditions"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georgianne-nienaber/haitis-new-president-faci_b_838633.html

"During the trial, the prosecution identified at least 12 children the two men smuggled from Haiti. Once in foster care, the minors detailed their daily routines, which led authorities to a hell hole where the 44 others lived in subhuman conditions."
http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2012/06/26/landmark-ruling-dr-sets-precedent-trafficking-persons/


"HAITIAN POLICE WORK IN SUB-HUMAN CONDITIONS
One can only imagine the filth that prisoners must be forced to endure, when those supervising them don’t even have the basic facilities."
http://www.haitian-truth.org/haitia...of-increasing-numbers-of-police…it-is-better/

"While the eyes of the world are on Haiti’s illegitimate elections and the return of the deposed dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier, about 1.5 million displaced earthquake survivors continue to live in sub-human conditions."
http://haitirewired.wired.com/profiles/blogs/the-right-to-housing-for



Don't shoot the messenger for relating truth.

 

[Magnetron]

Butters, anyone who knows you doesn't need to read the entire thread and external linkage.

Some people can be taken at their word.

 

[butters]

on the plus side, it's the first time i've been called human fiflth

 

[Ishmael]

So, your defense is that you weren't saying they were subhuman because of their race, you were saying they were subhuman because they didn't share your political outlook?

That isn't what he said either.

Virtually all of the Caribbean islands are predominately black and virtually all the descendants of slaves. Yet Haiti alone is considered the cesspool of the Caribbean and it has held that dubious honor for decades upon decades now, even among their fellow islanders. And they DO live (exist) in sub-human conditions. This was so even before the recent devastating earthquake.

Ishmael

 

[butters]

I think he spoke of less than human conditions affecting Haitians. Many would agree, if they bothered to actually hear what he said before and after the words "less than human" being used like a noose around his neck.

nope

it was aimed straight at the people, the same people he was condemning for being in the plight they were as victims of an earthquake and tsunami, because if they had been not ''less than human'' they would have had a better government, better housing/infrastructure etc....

 

[cjh]

I think he spoke of less than human conditions affecting Haitians. Many would agree, if they bothered to actually hear what he said before and after the words "less than human" being used like a noose around his neck.

Millions of articles and studies have documented truly sub-human conditions affecting Haitians for generations:

A few to mention:

"According to the United Nations, restavecs affect 1 in 10 children in Haiti. Restavecs reduce children to sub-human status. "
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~bolto20k/classweb/worldpol/Slavery.html

"people – the majority of which are Haitian descent – continue to live here in subhuman conditions with little to no access to clean water, electricity, or nutritious foods."
http://www.tuftsgloballeadership.org/blog/food-insecurity-bateyes

"Tracking the Zombie Diaspora: From Sub-human to Post-human"
http://codeless88.wordpress.com/tracking-the-zombie-diaspora/
http://ualresearchonline.arts.ac.uk/772/

“The families of Jardim Gramacho live in subhuman conditions due to the closure of the landfill. It really is the Brazilian Haiti,”
https://www.facebook.com/roarmag/posts/867456973264725

"Haiti's poorest earthquake victims are left exactly where they were on Jan. 13, 2010 - in tents and under tarps, living in subhuman conditions"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georgianne-nienaber/haitis-new-president-faci_b_838633.html

"During the trial, the prosecution identified at least 12 children the two men smuggled from Haiti. Once in foster care, the minors detailed their daily routines, which led authorities to a hell hole where the 44 others lived in subhuman conditions."
http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2012/06/26/landmark-ruling-dr-sets-precedent-trafficking-persons/


"HAITIAN POLICE WORK IN SUB-HUMAN CONDITIONS
One can only imagine the filth that prisoners must be forced to endure, when those supervising them don’t even have the basic facilities."
http://www.haitian-truth.org/haitia...of-increasing-numbers-of-police…it-is-better/

"While the eyes of the world are on Haiti’s illegitimate elections and the return of the deposed dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier, about 1.5 million displaced earthquake survivors continue to live in sub-human conditions."
http://haitirewired.wired.com/profiles/blogs/the-right-to-housing-for



Don't shoot the messenger for relating truth.

So you believe people living in subhuman conditions deserve no charity?

 

[MeeMie]

Try to be more reasonable. One cannot live in sub-human conditions for generations without being described as such.

Take a deep breath and read some of the links I've provided for you. I think you'll understand better what he was alluding to.

 

[MeeMie]

So you believe people living in subhuman conditions deserve no charity?

Don't go twisting my words.

 

[cowslinger64]

Of course you are.

Where in Detroit do you live, wannabe?

What difference does it make? You want my address? I'm not queer, yanno.


There is absolutely nothing about you that intimidates me.

 

[cjh]

Try to be more reasonable. One cannot live in sub-human conditions for generations without being described as such.

Take a deep breath and read some of the links I've provided for you. I think you'll understand better what he was alluding to.

Sure you can.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You give AJ and Query easy cover. Whenever someone takes one of them to task, they inevitably pull out the Rob card. Just like AJ did with Dolf.

Why make it so easy for them to deflect?

So, as cjh said, why make it easier for them?

It's academic, gentlemen. All I have to do is show up in a given thread where there's controversy and one of them is guaranteed to try and make this thread about me. Even if I *don't* show up, they'll try and deflect a thread into a referendum on me, even when past results haven't been exactly encouraging for them.

You might recall earlier this year that Byron challenged me to go two weeks without taking a shot at my detractors. Eager to rub Byron's nose in it...ummm, I mean show Byron the futility of such an exercise...I agreed. I held off for two solid weeks, I let them have their fun. Did anything change? Well, one thing became readily apparent: when Miles in particular saw that I wasn't responding to his garbage, he doubled down.

Lesson learned: These guys thrive in a consequence-free environment. They try and beat you down. And sadly for them, I don't put up with that.

Whether I post or not, whether I make personal attacks or not....it simply doesn't matter. They're offended by my very existence on this board.

 

[cjh]

Don't go twisting my words.

There's no twist there.

Unless you're trying to twist AJ's.

 

[MeeMie]

Where did I insinuate that they didn't deserve charity?

You are taking great license with my statement of facts to bolster your attack with a play on words.

Don't twist my words.