What is your "Lit Legacy"?

[walkerlong]

I don't think I've written it yet. One can hope...

 

[sr71plt]

Pilot. There's a flair of precision to your writing. I don't give a fuck what people say. There's this complexity to your setup that is surgical, and when it gets to the sex, it surprises you with bluntness. GM isn't exactly mainstream, even now, but when I read yours, it has this air of normalcy about the content that I forget the world around me. You make man on man seem just as natural as man on woman. You don't merely assume the sex is normal and found everyday, you insist and prove it. It's an aquired taste like beer, but I'll drink anyday because it pays off.

Thanks for this. I didn't think I had any legacy in my writing to post here, but I think you hit at least one legacy with the "air of normalcy about the content." In most of my GM stories I think I do create a world where active GM is the norm for the male characters--where the assumption is that the men are gay and seeking, rather than the other way around of the real world. They also tend to know the preferences of the other men around. This saves a whole lot of setup time/effort/wordage.

I think a legacy in the GM stories I write too is that they are written by a male author with extensive GM experience and mostly are targeted to actual gay males in an active seeking role and who are not effeminate. I think most GM stories here are written by women to appeal to other women looking for a hunky Prince Charming who has female values and perspectives.

As far as a general legacy, I think I'm writing all across the Literotica spectrum from varied perspectives and with widely varied settings, time periods, and themes. Most writing I see here sticks to limited perspectives, categories, and locales.

 

[loquere]

I uh... I don't think I've come that far yet.

That’s how I feel as well.
I’m still in the very far back of the Literotica economy class.

 

[JKendallDane]

I think most GM stories here are written by women to appeal to other women looking for a hunky Prince Charming who has female values and perspectives.

That statement is so wrong in so many ways, I don't even want to attempt to address it.

 

[SecondCircle]

I don't get a review SC?

Fine, I'll just be scary at Halloween.

Heh, heh, heh, I missed many folks I think.

You seem to have two that strike me. Absolute creativity and power. I'm often left wondering how the wheels turn in your head because the concepts seem so simple and yet so creatively original. And usually, it reads so smooth that I think it's just coasting along, and before long I have to sit in deep thought about some shocker you wrote, or some "deeper level shit".

Complex Simplicity? I guess? The concepts are what I think of usually. Last Halloween? Bag snatchers? That was kind of like genius and creepy. I just tried to shake looking down at the trick or treaters, and spotting a couple that were something else....

I have like a Homer Simpson moment sometimes when I run across these creative concepts. It's like, "mutha fucker, why didn't I think of something that cool?"

 

[lovecraft68]

I think most GM stories here are written by women to appeal to other women looking for a hunky Prince Charming who has female values and perspectives.

So a gay sensitive bad boy type?

I find it funny that so many lesbian stories are written and read by men and so many GM written and read by women.

IN Lesbian some guys will get flamed for writing "lesbian porn written by a man for a man"

They have that in GM?

 

[squirrelzo]

I was astounded to find this whole huge subculture of girls writing GM on this site. And in the publishing world, too. But I wonder, do gay men even read them?

 

[lovecraft68]

I was astounded to find this whole huge subculture of girls writing GM on this site. And in the publishing world, too. But I wonder, do gay men even read them?

A friend of mine does, but when I asked him about it, he said most gay men he is acquainted with do not.

 

[lovecraft68]

LC68. Yours is reality for me. Even you have spoken of your own ability of "down to earth writing". Whether its reality with SWB, the kind that is real whether you want it or not, or just an easy going read that's very relatable, your legacy for me is the ability to feel like I'm reading something real and plausible, without jumping through hoops. Your writing is like sitting on the couch or riding a bike. It's natural, relatable, and in a language I easily understand. It's a natural talent that is appealing without trying. Kudos

Thanks for the compliment and you're right, my style is very easy. No purple prose, no ten dollar words just kind of a casual flow, like two people having a conversation in front of you.

Since I am a comic geek, I equate my style to an old series where Marvel Teamed up with The Electric company and did a series called "Spidey Super stories" which were meant for young kids.

There was always a slogan on the cover that said "Easy reader says these stories are easy to read"

That's me. I'm the porn for dummies guy.

 

[JKendallDane]

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IN Lesbian some guys will get flamed for writing "lesbian porn written by a man for a man"

They have that in GM?

I've only seen a few comments where a woman has been flamed for writing in GM. Take a look at the comments on Patientlee's Lost Agnes since it was shifted over from the FAWC contest to GM. Those kind of comments are typical to a woman writer there. And you could hardly call either one of her main characters "effeminate."

Originally Posted by squirrelzo
I was astounded to find this whole huge subculture of girls writing GM on this site. And in the publishing world, too. But I wonder, do gay men even read them?

(and LC said: ) A friend of mine does, but when I asked him about it, he said most gay men he is acquainted with do not.

The experiences I have personally seen from story and author favs, comments, and emails is that there is a pretty healthy mix of both gay men and straight women reading in the category.

Writing wise, out of the top ten most prolific list, seven are male, two female, and one trans.

 

[sr71plt]

That statement is so wrong in so many ways, I don't even want to attempt to address it.

I think you need to find a hobby other than attacking me on the forum constantly because you are pouting that I'm perpetually the most popular GM writer (by GM hub stats) and you're not.

 

[sr71plt]

So a gay sensitive bad boy type?

I find it funny that so many lesbian stories are written and read by men and so many GM written and read by women.

IN Lesbian some guys will get flamed for writing "lesbian porn written by a man for a man"

They have that in GM?

I haven't seen flaming on that in GM, no. maybe some of the female writers of it can address getting flamed.

Although I don't target female readers with my stories, for instance, most of those who comment on my stories--almost always supportively--are obviously female. I certainly don't resent it if they want to read and enjoy my stories. I haven't seen comments on the GM stories of others that they are obviously female and shouldn't be writing GM. Maybe some of the female GM writers have seen that on their stories and can/will comment. Females writing GM is a whole industry, I think. But most female writers of GM who I've read are writing from a female perspective that doesn't capture the GM element I've been part of. It may represent different GM mind-sets, of course. There are different GM mind-sets and subcommunities.

 

[Serafina1210]

I think you need to find a hobby other than attacking me on the forum constantly because you are pouting that I'm perpetually the most popular GM writer (by GM hub stats) and you're not.

Are we really going to have a flame war between two GM writers about who understands women best? Okay with me, but can you just hang on while I pop some popcorn?

 

[PennLady]

That statement is so wrong in so many ways, I don't even want to attempt to address it.

Pilot's statement may be wrong in guessing that "most" GM stories are written by women for women, but a lot of them are. I also wouldn't disagree with the rest of his statement for those stories; I'm a woman and when I read these stories that are written by women, one of my first thoughts is, "Are gay men really like this? Do they like stories like this? Is this how they conduct their relationships?"

No doubt some do, but yeah, I think in a number of those stories, a lot of traits that those authors desire in men are projected onto their characters. Not particularly any different than projecting the "Prince Charming" or whatever characteristics onto the male lead in a M/F romance.

 

[sr71plt]

Are we really going to have a flame war between two GM writers about who understands women best? Okay with me, but can you just hang on while I pop some popcorn?

You'll have to ask JKendallDane that. I just stated my observations/opinions. He's certainly welcome to his own. But he chose to launch a nasty attack on mine. So, you really should talk to him about flame wars. His constantly attacking me on the forum (and me usually not responding at all--mainly because I have him on ignore and only occasionally look at his posts) is quite evident. You can check it out yourself.

You'll find references to the GM hub most popular list in your search as well. The one day he was posted on the top of that list (the daily list), he did a little happy dance on the forum. I'm at the top of the one day, seven day, and thirty day more days than I'm not. Should I do a little happy dance every day I'm on the top of that list?

If so, I could have done it the day before and after he was on the top of the list--and I could do it today and yesterday, and, who knows, maybe even tomorrow.

 

[JKendallDane]

I think you need to find a hobby other than attacking me on the forum constantly because you are pouting that I'm perpetually the most popular GM writers (by GM hub stats) and you're not.

Pouting? Buwahahahaha!

Of all the stats and "little gold stars" that can be attained here at Lit, you are MORE than welcome to always have that one and your "most prolific" claim to fame.

In spite of what you want to believe, pilot, trust me...I am not the least bit jealous of you nor looking for ways to attack you.

I do however, take exception to you posting things like: "I think most GM stories here are written by women to appeal to other women looking for a hunky Prince Charming who has female values and perspectives." when you have nothing whatsoever to back up that kind of statement.

After all...you have often said that you don't bother reading other author's stories, so how would you even know what are *IN* the stories to judge who they are targeted to or how they are written?

 

[sr71plt]

Not reading many of the stories doesn't mean I don't check out the author's profiles. I have and most writing GM here whose profiles I checked out claim to be female. Do the check yourself if you like.

I also do this check in the marketplace--to make sure I'm grabbing my demographic--and, guess what, most GM authors in the erotica marketplace pan out to be female.

I'm not guessing. I researched it. You're just attacking me, JKendall, to, you know, be a bottom-feeding back biter. You haven't referenced any research or knowledge on this point.

So, yes, Serfina, apparently JKendalDane wants to make a flame war out of this.

 

[JKendallDane]

Not reading many of the stories doesn't mean I don't check out the author's profiles. I have and most writing GM here whose profiles I checked out claim to be female. Do the check yourself if you like.

Nice attempt at a sidestep and deflection, but your words were:

I think most GM stories here are written by women to appeal to other women looking for a hunky Prince Charming who has female values and perspectives."

So you are telling us that you can ascertain the plot and flow and intended target audience of a GM story simply by knowing the gender of the author?

Johnny Carson may be dead, but evidently Carnac the Magnificent lives on!

 

[patientlee]

Thanks for the compliment and you're right, my style is very easy. No purple prose, no ten dollar words just kind of a casual flow, like two people having a conversation in front of you.

Since I am a comic geek, I equate my style to an old series where Marvel Teamed up with The Electric company and did a series called "Spidey Super stories" which were meant for young kids.

There was always a slogan on the cover that said "Easy reader says these stories are easy to read"

That's me. I'm the porn for dummies guy.

And the episode where he got the measles is why I HATE Spiderman. The bad guy spread his measles around out of a freaking paper bag and scared the shit out of me.

 

[patientlee]

Lost Agnes only has 5 k views. Not enough reads to be a statistic. And it was only GM because I didn't want to deal with the "woman on a crab boat" issue. I'll leave that to the pros on the Discovery Channel.

 

[sr71plt]

Nice attempt at a sidestep and deflection, but your words were:



So you are telling us that you can ascertain the plot and flow and intended target audience of a GM story simply by knowing the gender of the author?

Johnny Carson may be dead, but evidently Carnac the Magnificent lives on!

I've sampled enough to have my opinions. And I've done this sampling because I'm in the money-paying business of writing and publishing erotica--mainly GM, but not exclusively GM. If you don't accept my research, which is based on a whole hell of a lot more experience than you have at it, that's your problem. I'm in the publishing business. There isn't much I do without researching the market, either in the marketplace or here.

And if you wish to continue to flame me, that's also your problem and reflects your obsession. I don't consider you competition. Beyond checking your initial stories, which were fine, I haven't followed yours. They mostly are unending series anyway. Your success or lack of success is fine with me. I don't begrudge you your readers or your lack of rating trolls. It has nothing to do with what I'm writing and publishing, though.

And you may continue to follow me around on the forum and flame me, if it makes you feel adequate. And I'll continue not to initiate any posts directed at you--if nothing else, to point out to objective posters who is the one initiating forum attacks.

 

[lovecraft68]

They mostly are unending series anyway.

That just gave me a flashback.

"One note Samba"

Good thing I've played a few different songs after that one.

 

[sr71plt]

As I remember, I think that was for Zeb and what I probably think still is an all-time record number of Green Es (which is quite commendable)--but all for chapters of the same story. So, quite an apropos phrase, I think.

 

[lovecraft68]

As I remember, I think that was for Zeb and what I probably think still is an all-time record number of Green Es (which is quite commendable)--but all for chapters of the same story. So, quite an apropos phrase, I think.

Not sure I remember you saying that to him, but I wouldn't have been paying attention.

But you said it to me a lot about my SWB series because I was in the midst of it and focusing pretty much just on that, so you said I had no clue about anything except that. So it was usually derogatory.

That one and writing about torturing my sister

But that's okay, things like that fuel me in a way so it was all good, no harm, no foul.

I do remember telling you that once that series was done I'd show you differently.

Thanks for the motivation. Between you and JBJ ragging on me I stored up plenty of fuck you to keep writing and I mean that in a good way, if you can understand that way of thinking.

 

[sr71plt]

Whatever floats your boat, I guess. I'm happy if you're happy. I'm also happy that you stopped saying I only wrote GM when I repeatedly noted that I had about twice as many non-GM stories posted here under this posting name as you had stories posted here in total in your posting name. (It also worked when you asked what my interest in Loving Wives was in entering a discussion you were engaged in on Loving Wives, and my response was that I had more Loving Wives stories posted here than you did.)

So, whatever floats your boat.