GOP’s 30-year spin job is over: Why we are not a center-right nation

I dunno man, I live in the boonies and even here people are like, "Hey you know in in Europe they have a living wage and a 35 hour work week? What's that shit about?" I mean, they're very much, "AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!" But nobody under 45 doesn't have an improvement suggestion. Because real people don't have political affiliations, they have kids that they need to take care of and long term diseases that they need to cope with and crippling poverty; and they don't have time to rank the country. Real people got their own fucking problems.

All true, I'm sure. OTOH, the RW has spent their decades of ascendancy since the Reagan Revolution locking institutional advantages in place -- court appointments, gerrymandering, etc. -- which can keep them in power even as their aggregate national vote-share declines. And the 1%/corporate interests control both parties (the Pubs rather more than the Dems, but both parties) through campaign contributions which will be denied any pol who challenges their non-ideological bottom-line agenda. And, as the article in the OP points out, people often do base their voting on cultural/religious indicators even when those go against their economic interests. And, while cultural conservatives are a distinctly aging demographic, modern medical science will keep them alive for a long time yet. So we shouldn't expect any left-populist-progressive electoral revolution in the near future; all of that will take a lot of time and effort to overcome.

On the gripping hand, see Ralph Nader's latest book, Unstoppable: The Emerging Left-Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State. It's a fascinating read. He doesn't discuss the Tea Party much, but by some theories I've read, the TP represents a challenge to the GOP's Chamber of Commerce bizcons as much as to biggummint liberalism -- Main Street taking on Wall Street.
 
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Unless you're going up the west coast...then the law is inverse, the further you travel north up the coast from SF the further hippie you go....yes I'm talking about the sticks.

Yeah, is there a reason for that? I wandered in to Oregon a few years back and was just floored by all the Obama love, I mean lawn signs and bumper stickers and shit. This wasn't election year or anything. Here in So Cal we're all "yeah he's president, he's better than the other guy" not like "OBAMA! FUCK YEAH!" I wasn't sure if I should be frightened of what was in the water or what.
 
Picture on the cover of the book, does not match what is written
on the pages, inside the book? Color me not shocked.

There is always someone trying make it seem different, from how it really is.
 
Yeah, is there a reason for that? I wandered in to Oregon a few years back and was just floored by all the Obama love, I mean lawn signs and bumper stickers and shit. This wasn't election year or anything. Here in So Cal we're all "yeah he's president, he's better than the other guy" not like "OBAMA! FUCK YEAH!" I wasn't sure if I should be frightened of what was in the water or what.

Oregon and Washington are both weird. The mainstream city and suburban life is solid left. And then you have the weirdo militias and 'Freedom Enclaves' and stuff like that in the sticks.
 
Oregon and Washington are both weird. The mainstream city and suburban life is solid left. And then you have the weirdo militias and 'Freedom Enclaves' and stuff like that in the sticks.

But why are they so weird. I'm a Cali Boy, when I walk around and start thinking, "Damn Hippies are scary. If this is what people think of when they think of me I get it."
 
Oregon and Washington are both weird. The mainstream city and suburban life is solid left. And then you have the weirdo militias and 'Freedom Enclaves' and stuff like that in the sticks.

I was born in Oregon and raised in Washington. The mass invasion of WA state that started in the mid 70's, from the folks from la la land (CA) totally changed the mindset of the area.
 
Why do conservative folk think that traditional media is 'liberal'? I see that all the time, "the liberal media". When in reality, young folk don't use "traditional media" so most new programs and shit are pretty middle of the road. Like if the folk on this site who claim shit like that were to go to say, tumblr or deviantart or cracked or any of our entertainment sites do you think that their heads would just explode? Like if 'traditional media' is left to them what do they think of most indy web content?
 
Why do conservative folk think that traditional media is 'liberal'? I see that all the time, "the liberal media".

Well, journalists do tend to be more liberal than average, I've seen studies.

OTOH, reporters are not their own masters, they answer to editors who answer to MBAs in suits who answer to interlocking corporate directorates, so . . .
 
Well, journalists do tend to be more liberal than average, I've seen studies.

OTOH, reporters are not their own masters, they answer to editors who answer to MBAs in suits who answer to interlocking corporate directorates, so . . .

I think that they get trapped in that goldilocks zone where you think you can please everybody but instead you just get raped by a bear. And then you see shit where everybody starts getting their news from comedy central. Which is fucked up.
 
People were getting their news from Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In during the 1960s, and there were comedy shows before that, and those shows tackled the news issues of the day.

(Any child of the 1960s knew that Rocky and Bullwinkle was political. You could not get away from the war on Communism, back then.)
 
People were getting their news from Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In during the 1960s, and there were comedy shows before that, and those shows tackled the news issues of the day.

(Any child of the 1960s knew that Rocky and Bullwinkle was political. You could not get away from the war on Communism, back then.)

Fan mail from some flounder?
 
People were getting their news from Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In during the 1960s, and there were comedy shows before that, and those shows tackled the news issues of the day.

(Any child of the 1960s knew that Rocky and Bullwinkle was political. You could not get away from the war on Communism, back then.)

Not really the same. Comedy shows (and the R&B show) did make commentary on topical subjects, but journalism still held a high degree of trust, respect & esteem from the general public. But then, the news was mostly consumed in print form (newspapers & magazines) and broadcast journalism was limited to specific times (local news @ 7 & 11 (6 & 10 Central & Mountain)), with national news at 7:30 (6:30 Central & Mountain)

Now days, 24/7 news channels have a dire need to both fill airtime AND keep the audience watching so as to keep the revenue streams flowing. So instead of focusing on keeping the public informed on topics of actual importance & meaning, the focus is on whatever will keep the audience entertained, which means manufacturing controversy/outrage.
Outlets such as Fox "News" (which is listed not as a news channel but as an entertainment channel with the FCC) don't give a fuck if their content is accurate or relevant, so long as it generates revenue. CNN & MSNBC are little better, as their content has degenerated into lazy sensationalism.

Both the Daily Show and the Corbert Report make no bones about being comedy shows parodying the news, but also have to stay well informed on current events to lampoon them effectively. It's the need to be well informed to make the funny work that make them viable, though obviously biased, sources of information.
 
Tell me how much trust the American public had in TV journalism, after Walter Cronkite was caught telling lies, and exposed ?

This man seems to have a point-

It was always a battle getting controversial subjects and opinions on the air in the era of the broadcast networks, whose motto might have been “Offend no one.” Cable, which has a very different business model, is another story. Since cable viewers are billed just to watch, no matter which channels they prefer, opinion pays. The makers of cable news don’t need to attract everyone; they just need to establish a loyal niche audience. A piece of your monthly cable payment goes to Fox News, whether you care for it or not. A piece goes to MSNBC.

Journalism and history are about getting things right. But the past has many uses, and one of them is to inspire the present. People in any profession like to create an imaginary past, populated by the Ones Who Came Before. Sometimes, we figure these people to be narrow-minded fools and feel motivated to demonstrate our own superior tolerance and sophistication. More honorably, if not necessarily more accurately, we imagine our predecessors as nobler and braver than our small and anxious selves—as men and women who stuck up for principle and, by their righteousness, moved the world.

At the end of the first episode of “Newsroom,” the news anchor, played by a gruff Jeff Daniels, is congratulated by the head of the news division, a gruff Sam Waterston, after an aggressive report on an oil spill. A bottle of Scotch is produced, as befits the gruffness. The Waterston character wants to encourage his newsman to continue to speak his mind on the news he reports. “Anchors having an opinion isn’t a new phenomenon,” he tells him. “Murrow had one and that was the end of McCarthy. Cronkite had one and that was the end of Vietnam.” Don’t let it be forgot.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/07/09/seeing-it-now
 
Tell me how much trust the American public had in TV journalism, after Walter Cronkite was caught telling lies, and exposed ?

I missed Cronkite being caught telling lies. Not seeing much about it on the web either. Perhaps you might link me to some source material?
 
That's because most tax payer funded social handouts are dished out in the metropolitan areas.
Those metropolitan areas then give handouts to you people in the sticks. We pave roads to you people for instance. There's also that rural electrification thing, too.

What we should have done was not bring electricity to you people and not pave roads out there. Then you could try and pay for it yourselves.

Matter of fact there was this nice off-road neighborhood up beyond the Reno-Sparks area. They were like you, and then the rich outsiders showed up and decided to pave roads into the area. This cost the locals $20,000 a household.

That's what you rural people would pay for non-dirt roads if it were not for us metropolitan welfare queens paying your way.

Now siddown and shaddap.
 
I dunno man, I live in the boonies and even here people are like, "Hey you know in in Europe they have a living wage and a 35 hour work week? What's that shit about?" I mean, they're very much, "AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!" But nobody under 45 doesn't have an improvement suggestion. Because real people don't have political affiliations, they have kids that they need to take care of and long term diseases that they need to cope with and crippling poverty; and they don't have time to rank the country. Real people got their own fucking problems.


Tell your friends that they are real people and to vote Republican in 2014 and 2016.

:):)
 
I dunno man, I live in the boonies and even here people are like, "Hey you know in in Europe they have a living wage and a 35 hour work week? What's that shit about?" I mean, they're very much, "AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!" But nobody under 45 doesn't have an improvement suggestion.

Sweet let's hope the trend continues south b/c TX as of a couple years ago was still "HNAWW FUCK YEA M'URICUH!! LOCK HIPPIES UP AND CUT THEIR HAIR BECAUSE FREE MARKET!!" bunch of inbred fucking retards.

Because real people don't have political affiliations, they have kids that they need to take care of and long term diseases that they need to cope with and crippling poverty; and they don't have time to rank the country. Real people got their own fucking problems.

I only deal with none of that shit....does that make me not real? :confused:

Yeah, is there a reason for that? I wandered in to Oregon a few years back and was just floored by all the Obama love, I mean lawn signs and bumper stickers and shit. This wasn't election year or anything. Here in So Cal we're all "yeah he's president, he's better than the other guy" not like "OBAMA! FUCK YEAH!" I wasn't sure if I should be frightened of what was in the water or what.

Dude right up to the WA/Canada border...from the beach about 200 mi inland and north it's not even the same country as the US of A the other 90% of the country knows. IMO it really starts in Mendocino and ends in Matanuska Valley, the N. M'urican hippie zone that is. Elected socialist? We gots them... Legalizing weed like a mother fucker? We doez that....:D


But why are they so weird. I'm a Cali Boy, when I walk around and start thinking, "Damn Hippies are scary. If this is what people think of when they think of me I get it."

You're hella SoCal though:D.....that's why you think they are so weird. Santa Cruz is kinda in-between, that's when you really start to feel that SoCal vibe...BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Beyond that the cultures couldn't be more different...you're in the great beyond where the sun makes people a little crazy and us rain and fog types don't like to go.

Tell your friends that they are real people and to vote Republican in 2014 and 2016.

:):)

No...I don't think I'll be doing anything of the sort. I value freedom and liberty too much.
 
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