Peaceful Muslims

[Liar]

The Qur'an and the Haddiths. Read either one sparky?

Ishmael

Your own list was about, as you yourself wrote, the fundamentalists' and the psychopaths' definition of Islam.

That would be their intepretation of the Qur'an and the Haddiths.

How can you find their intepretation of the source material... in the source material? Do they have time machines?

 

[Boxlicker101]

You are making the same common mistake that many of your ilk on the far right love to do. If you can't differentiate between radical/fanatic Islam and moderate Islam then you have a problem.

The problem with a lot of you on the far right is that you have no filter. It's all black and white to you. That's the issue I have with you.

Is anyone arguing that these atrocities do not occur? No! But to define an entire religion based on such things is absurd. That is the argument that is going on here.

Some of the atrocities I describe are extremely common. They are even enshrined in the national law of some Muslim nations.

 

[Que]

Your own list was about, as you yourself wrote, the fundamentalists' and the psychopaths' definition of Islam.

That would be their intepretation of the Qur'an and the Haddiths.

How can you find their intepretation of the source material... in the source material? Do they have time machines?

Valid point, but I do not see people making such distinctions about people of faith that have their roots in other ancient texts. The criticisms of such people are painted with an equally broad brush.

...and at least to my ears

There seems to be more disdain for modern people in western society following such guidelines. As if the more primitive conditions there mean their faith is more understandable. A bit of soft bigotry involved I feel. Like they haven't 'evolved' to be able to appreciate what they view as western decadence.

Perceptions mostly.

I would venture to suggest that the most moderate of Muslims have at least as rigid a view for example on appropriate gender roles as some pretty fundamentalist Christians.

 

[Liar]

Valid point, but I do not see people making such distinctions about people of faith that have their roots in other ancient texts. The criticisms of such people are painted with an equally broad brush.

...and at least to my ears

I dunno, the main point of attack against Christian fundies that I hear is that they are NOT following the teachings of Jesus Christ, but rather picks and chooses and orfet perverts obscure Old Testament passages to justify their bigotry.

There seems to be more disdain for modern people in western society following such guidelines. As if the more primitive conditions there mean their faith is more understandable. A bit of soft bigotry involved I feel. Like they haven't 'evolved' to be able to appreciate what they view as western decadence.

Perceptions mostly.

I would venture to suggest that the most moderate of Muslims have at least as rigid a view for example on appropriate gender roles as some pretty fundamentalist Christians.

I think it's fair to say that Islam and yes even moderate Islam, for many different reasons, has not come as far in 'modernization' compared to the mainstream in other world religions. (Much of what we see as 'modern' society seems to mean secular though. In which case religion, and which religion is the 'best' become a moot point.)

The question is, what's a constructive way to, as an outsider, deal with that? Beat them with a stick?

 

[Que]

I dunno, the main point of attack against Christian fundies that I hear is that they are NOT following the teachings of Jesus Christ, but rather picks and chooses and orfet perverts obscure Old Testament passages to justify their bigotry.

The same can be said a large portion of the Muslim world. No one had their own Bible pre- Gutenberg. Services were in Latin mostly -as I understand it. And the priest read you passages and interpreted them.

That is in many ways the way Madrases operate. They don't just hand out the good book and wish you well in your studies.

I think it's fair to say that Islam and yes even moderate Islam, for many different reasons, has not come as far in 'modernization' compared to the mainstream in other world religions. (Much of what we see as 'modern' society seems to mean secular though. In which case religion, and which religion is the 'best' become a moot point.)

The question is, what's a constructive way to, as an outsider, deal with that? Beat them with a stick?

No one worries about speaking up as an outsider to Christianity. Not that one can't offend them, but it rarely results in a beheading.

To Boxlicker's point: where is the derision towards their way of life, especially from feminists? I don't hear it.

I am not hearing people express horror at what IS going to happen to women when we pull out of Afghanistan, as we undoubtedly have to.

I agree that we have no options short of endless war and occupation. I dunno, AK-47's are cheap and lightweight and easily handled by women.

It just seems silly to me to rush to defend their right to their way of life against 'intolerance' while not giving the same reverence to other faiths.

Respect them all, or ridicule them all.

 

[Busybody]

I am NOT as articulate as is ISH...who summed it up well

So I will sum it up

In any discussion, all those that SCREAM all TEE PEEPS and REPOZ hate WEEMEEN and GAZE defend MUSLIMS with word dances of RADICAL and MODERATE (there aint non)

In any discussion they scream at us.....YOU ARE AFRAID LIKE A BUNCHA PUSSIES, while cowering behind 4 locks lest an intruder, intrude


WHY?

Insanity!

 

[Busybody]

yet the FAT NIGGER CUNT says

WHY WORRY?

Exclusive: ISIS Preparing To Attack American Homeland?


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ISIS members are preparing “an event to warn the U.S” to not involve themselves in Iraq.

A person identifying himself as “Alanbari Daysam” has posted a series of threats to the United States homeland via Twitter today.

Calling for ISIS members to attack the United States, Dayaam posts pictures of suicide vests and instructs followers to “enter U.S. cities and marketplaces with these vests and detonate them, killing American citizens”

In other Tweets, “Daysam” advocates advice from Osama Bin Laden telling Muslims not to ask before committing Jihad against America and to poison American drinking water.
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[miles]

Just that most terrorists are Muslim.

No argument there.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Just that most terrorists are Muslim.

Your point?

Most serial killers are male.

Most domestic terrorists are white Christian males.

Most murders of children under 5 are committed by their biological fathers. However, of children under 5 killed by someone other than their parent, 80% were killed by males.

But THIS is interesting.. From that liberal rag The Economist.

Catholic and non-Catholic countries tended to have a higher than average overall crime rate.

The chart’s y-axis shows the extent to which each country’s overall crime rate deviates from the average overall crime rate of the 67 countries considered. For each of the ten crimes for which the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime had reliable national statistics (theft, say), the authors of the paper ascertained an average global crime rate—and then worked out each country’s deviation from that rate. The country’s overall crime rate, as shown in the y-axis, is an average of its ten deviations from the ten means of those individual crime rates.

Researchers found that the degree to which each country’s citizens believed more strongly in heaven than in hell predicted higher national crime rates. It seems that believing more strongly in the forgiveness of sins than in punishment in the after-life may help pave the way for further transgressions.

 

[Busybody]

Your own list was about, as you yourself wrote, the fundamentalists' and the psychopaths' definition of Islam.

That would be their intepretation of the Qur'an and the Haddiths.

How can you find their intepretation of the source material... in the source material? Do they have time machines?

by their actions

every day

virtually WORLD WIDE

by their WORDS

every day

virtually WORLD WIDE

 

[Busybody]

who will denounce this?

what Muslim country will put together a FORCE to deal with THEM>

UNTIL THEN

STFU

21 People Killed By Boko Haram In A Huge Explosion At Nigerian Mall


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This will continue until they kill Boko Haram.

Via NY Post:


ABUJA, Nigeria — An explosion rocked a shopping mall in Nigeria’s capital, Abuja, on Wednesday and police said at least 21 people had been killed.

Witnesses said body parts were scattered around the exit to Emab Plaza, in Abuja’s upscale Wuse 11 suburb. All spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

Billows of black smoke could be seen from a mile away.

“I heard the explosion and (felt) the building shaking,” said Shuaibu Baba, who had a narrow escape. He said he rushed downstairs to find that the driver who had dropped him off a few minutes earlier was dead. “I asked the driver to come with me, and he said, ‘No,’ he would wait for me in the car.”

who will denounce this?

what Muslim country will put together a FORCE to deal with THEM>

UNTIL THEN

STFU

 

[jeninflorida]

I doubt you have even opened a Qur'an.

do you have a fire pit? that's a treat place to store a qur an

 

[Busybody]

WHO WILL ENOUNCE THIS?

WHERE ARE PEACEFUL MUSLIMS STOPPING THIS?

Iraqi Christian Man Commits Suicide After ISIS Members Rape Wife And Daughter In Front Of Him Because He Couldn’t Pay Sharia Tax…




Via Christian Post:


A Christian father who watched his wife and daughter get brutally raped by members of the militant group, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) because he couldn’t pay them a poll tax in Mosul, Iraq, killed himself under the weight of the trauma this past weekend.

A report from the Assyrian International News Agency said ISIS began enforcing Islamic laws in the northern Iraq city which they overran on June 10.

Dr. Sallama Al-Khafaji of the Iraq High Commission for Human Rights said the incident happened on Saturday after ISIS began asking Christians in Mosul for a poll tax.

“In one instance, ISIS members entered the home of an Assyrian family in Mosul and demanded the poll tax (jizya). When the Assyrian family said they did not have the money, three ISIS members raped the mother and daughter in front of the husband and father. The husband and father was so traumatized that he committed suicide,” said the report.

“The Christians have told me that they cannot pay this tax,” Dr. Al-Khafaji told AINA, “and they say ‘what am I to do, shall I kill myself?’”

Four Christian women were also reportedly shot dead by ISIS members because they were not wearing veils.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Your point?

Most serial killers are male.

Most domestic terrorists are white Christian males.

Most murders of children under 5 are committed by their biological fathers. However, of children under 5 killed by someone other than their parent, 80% were killed by males.

But THIS is interesting.. From that liberal rag The Economist.

Catholic and non-Catholic countries tended to have a higher than average overall crime rate.

The chart’s y-axis shows the extent to which each country’s overall crime rate deviates from the average overall crime rate of the 67 countries considered. For each of the ten crimes for which the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime had reliable national statistics (theft, say), the authors of the paper ascertained an average global crime rate—and then worked out each country’s deviation from that rate. The country’s overall crime rate, as shown in the y-axis, is an average of its ten deviations from the ten means of those individual crime rates.

Researchers found that the degree to which each country’s citizens believed more strongly in heaven than in hell predicted higher national crime rates. It seems that believing more strongly in the forgiveness of sins than in punishment in the after-life may help pave the way for further transgressions.

Hmmm.

That's a graph that even Trysail couldn't fuck with.

 

[Busybody]

Saudi Arabia To Expel Non-Muslims Who Disrespect Ramadan…




What would happen if America started kicking out Muslims who don’t respect Christianity?


(AFP) – Saudi authorities threatened Thursday to expel non-Muslim foreigners who eat, drink or smoke in public during the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, which begins this weekend.

The interior ministry urged non-Muslims to “respect the feelings of Muslims by refraining from eating, drinking or smoking in public places, streets and at work.”

“They are not excused for being non-Muslim,” said the statement carried by SPA state news agency, adding that “labour contracts stipulate respect for Muslim rites.”

“Those who violate (that)… will face the necessary measures, including terminating work contracts and being deported,” the statement added.

Oil-rich Saudi Arabia, which applies a strict version of sharia Islamic law, hosts more than nine million foreigners, mostly Asians.

During Ramadan, Muslims fast from food from dawn to dusk and strive to be more pious and charitable. They are are also required to abstain from drinking liquids, smoking and having sex.

 

[jeninflorida]

congratulations, you are a fucking idiot

Hmmm.

That's a graph that even Trysail couldn't fuck with.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Have the lefties figured out the panelist didn't just rant about Muslims for the shits and giggles of it? That the Muslim girl, inappropriately as fuck I might add, started the "I'm such a victim of you Muslim haters!!" shit right?

Have the lefties figured out she wasn't supposed to answer the Muslim girls loaded bullshit question in the first place?

Have the lefties figured out nobody give 1 wet rat fart about the peaceful Muslims? They understand it's the other 300 million extremist that want to kill us that everyone is concerned over??

Yea didn't think so......to busy crying about what fucking victims they are....

 

[miles]

who will denounce this?

Certainly not the Litlibs.

 

[Busybody]

Have the lefties figured out the panelist didn't just rant about Muslims for the shits and giggles of it? That the Muslim girl, inappropriately as fuck I might add, started the "I'm such a victim of you Muslim haters!!" shit right?

Have the lefties figured out she wasn't supposed to answer the Muslim girls loaded bullshit question in the first place?

Have the lefties figured out nobody give 1 wet rat fart about the peaceful Muslims? They understand it's the other 300 million extremist that want to kill us that everyone is concerned over??

Yea didn't think so......to busy crying about what fucking victims they are....

now THERE is the BOOTAY tranny BOI I used to love

 

[miles]

now THERE is the BOOTAY tranny BOI I used to love

He needs to manage his anger.

 

[Liar]

The same can be said a large portion of the Muslim world. No one had their own Bible pre- Gutenberg. Services were in Latin mostly -as I understand it. And the priest read you passages and interpreted them.

That is in many ways the way Madrases operate. They don't just hand out the good book and wish you well in your studies.

Tru dat. But yo'll find I didn't try to claim that the same doesn't happen in other cases. In fact, that was not relevant to the discussiuon.

You said you didn't see the same disctinction (an extremist interpretation of the scriptures) when people were critisizing Christians. I said that I do. That is all.

No one worries about speaking up as an outsider to Christianity. Not that one can't offend them, but it rarely results in a beheading.

It rarely results in a beheading for an outsider of Islam either. In Islamic theocratic dictatorships it might. But then again, not all that many outsiders there. Most beeadings are political. Or intra Islamic sect squabble.

To Boxlicker's point: where is the derision towards their way of life, especially from feminists? I don't hear it.

Do you know where to listen? The conversation on oppression of women (as well as gays and anyone with the "wrong" faith) in Islamic dictatorships is not loud and aggressive, except from the occasional loudmouth poser. Because that would be counter productive. Publically berate a zealot from the sidelines and what will happen? He won't turn around and say "Oh I'm sorry, I was I being a dick all this time? My bad. I'll do better now." So to those only looking for loud and agressive outcry, is missing the point.

I am not hearing people express horror at what IS going to happen to women when we pull out of Afghanistan, as we undoubtedly have to.

Probably because we undoubtedly have to. Anyway it's happening already with us there. Just ask Malala Yousafzai.

So apprently beating the extremists with a stick doesn't help. Maybe a change of tactics is in order? For instance, wanna know what several scandinavian feminist orgs are doing? They are engaged in fundraising and strategic enxhange with organsations such as Centre for the Defence of Human Rights in Iran, The Progressive Women's Union and Bint El Ard in Egypt, among others. Reformist movements with a better shot at affecting the Islamic world from the inside than what we from the outside can ever hope to achieve.

I agree that we have no options short of endless war and occupation. I dunno, AK-47's are cheap and lightweight and easily handled by women.

It just seems silly to me to rush to defend their right to their way of life against 'intolerance' while not giving the same reverence to other faiths.

It would be silly yes. If that happened. That is not what's happening. You have your confirmation bias booster set to "stun" here.

Respect them all, or ridicule them all.

I respect them all at the core. I have no beef with my Sunni neighbor or the Protestant congregation down the street.

The only thing I ridicule is hypocricy.

 

[Busybody]

oh STFU, asshole

 

[Busybody]

Bloated fat ass shithole

says

WHY SO SCARED?


ISIS Supporter Takes Photo NYC’s Grand Central “Our Soldiers Will Soon March Here…” http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/BqmXR5UCAAAqFYY.jpg-large-2-337x450.jpegThe translation of the sign says: “Our soldiers will soon march here”

 

[phrodeau]

I'll read a Bunny Slippers post if you answer this question: Did the 9/11 attacks bring you to your knees?

 

[Beco]

Demonizing all Muslims for the actions of a few is hardly justified.

a few?