Dr David Evans: Global Warming is Manmade?

[SgtSpiderMan]

Its drone like adherents right up there with those of Bigfoot, Ancient Aliens, UFOs, and Alternative History.

Vette
I don't often agree with you, but it looks like I will here. When you look how the 3 below have just totally lost it when people have tried to have a discussion with them about this topic. Everything from cursing, personal attacks, ascription, and outright denying to have a conversation about the topic it's pretty clear they're going to hold steadfast to their beliefs and won't even consider actual scientific data.

SHUT the fuck up about ascription. You don't even know what the word means...Its been a week the semantically challenged have not picked a new word to abuse this week...I'll let you know what word to pretend you can use this week.

When and IF I happen to employ the rhetorical device of ascription the defense is to accurately state in clear, understandable way what your more accurate position is...screaming "ascription!" is NOT an argument, so STFU you tiresome twit.

Use satellite data and I might bother to have a discussion with you. When you post worthless and discredited shit you deserve NO attention at all.

Ishmael

You don't have a fucking clue (and neither does climatology).


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[RobDownSouth]

SHUT the fuck up about ascription. You don't even know what the word means...Its been a week the semantically challenged have not picked a new word to abuse this week...I'll let you know what word to pretend you can use this week.

When and IF I happen to employ the rhetorical device of ascription the defense is to accurately state in clear, understandable way what your more accurate position is...screaming "ascription!" is NOT an argument, so STFU you tiresome twit.

You seem very testy today.

Everything okay at home?

 

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[RobDownSouth]

The scientists on the left discussing environmental policy:

https://yy1.staticflickr.com/8193/8145940330_64bed901c4_z.jpg

Vetteman, you should not be posting pictures of Julybaby's church services. I dislike her positions as much as anyone, but posting her personal stuff is beneath even you.

 

[phrodeau]

So, that would be "No'. All you have to offer is blind loyalty to the cult that demands you vilify any one with questions.

One of the whines today is that a PhD of mathematics is looking at modeling this stuff. As if knowing MORE is going to somehow hurt the environment.

This stuff is more about economics than anything else and you have demonstrated you care nothing about that, and probably less about the actual "settled science" you support.

Your snarky little one liners don't impress me. I doubt they impress anyone other than your fellow worshipers.

Oh right, Dr. Evans, the original topic.

It seems that he had a career as a modeler of carbon emissions for the Australian government, which he gave up a few years ago.

Now he says that climate modelers have gotten it all wrong. Funny that he hasn't produced any climate models of his own to back it up. He's certainly capable of that, isn't he?

 

[jeninflorida]

Oh right, Dr. Evans, the original topic.

It seems that he had a career as a modeler of carbon emissions for the Australian government, which he gave up a few years ago.

Now he says that climate modelers have gotten it all wrong. Funny that he hasn't produced any climate models of his own to back it up. He's certainly capable of that, isn't he?

the good thing about global warming, your kind will not be able to afford a houseboat. therefore, you will die. welfare will die

carry on

 

[unregistered]

 

[RobDownSouth]

Did anyone watch Janet McCabe, EPA Acting Assistant Administrator for the Office of Air and Radiation, get her ass handed to her the other day in a hearing before Congress on Cap n' Trade? Pitiful example of the religious nature of their beliefs.

*points and laughs at the cowardly Vettebigot*

McCabe held her own, according to non-Breitbart sources.

She basically told the coal-state Congressmen that it was the fault of the coal companies: they had 20 years worth of waivers and delays and chose not to modernize their facilities. Now they have the responsibility to do so.

I realize, of course, that the concept of "responsibility" is toxic to a Vietnam-era marine REMF such as yourself.

Semper Fuckup, Gunny Grumpy!

 

[Que]

Oh right, Dr. Evans, the original topic.

It seems that he had a career as a modeler of carbon emissions for the Australian government, which he gave up a few years ago.

Now he says that climate modelers have gotten it all wrong. Funny that he hasn't produced any climate models of his own to back it up. He's certainly capable of that, isn't he?

How are yours coming along?

Any word on the hard workin' 97% getting anything even remotely close to working?

 

[phrodeau]

How are yours coming along?

Any word on the hard workin' 97% getting anything even remotely close to working?

Absolutely. Look them up for a change.

http://telstar.ote.cmu.edu/environ/m3/s2/subsect/predict.htm

http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_Chapter11_FINAL.pdf

 

[trysail]

Even the WaPo, fer crissakes.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/files/2014/06/newchart.jpg



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[Ishmael]

Even the WaPo, fer crissakes.



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It just befuddles them you know. They don't even know what the debate is about.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Absolutely. Look them up for a change.

http://telstar.ote.cmu.edu/environ/m3/s2/subsect/predict.htm

http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_Chapter11_FINAL.pdf

Challenge made, challenge accepted.

Phrodeau 1, Queerbait™ 0.

 

[trysail]

It just befuddles them you know. They don't even know what the debate is about.

Ishmael

The bumblers keep describing and focusing on a piston while ignoring the reality and explanation of how and why the automobile moves.


It's the very definition of an idée fixe.


The entire set of automatons have been spoon fed a closed system lab experiment by Tyndall and, like lobotomized zombies, are thereafter incapable of anything except endless repetition despite contrary data and evidence.


All that in spite of the fact that:
- The earth ain't a black body
- Earth's climate system ain't a greenhouse
- The temperature record contradicts the conjecture
- The computer models have demonstrated ZERO predictive capability



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[Ulaven_Demorte]

Even the WaPo, fer crissakes.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/files/2014/06/newchart.jpg



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The fallacy of the small sample above..

The Dataset, from the same source with over a century of data.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A.gif

 

[phrodeau]

I must admit that the models for melting of sea ice predicted a much slower loss rate than observed. So there you go.

 

[Ishmael]

The bumblers keep describing and focusing on a piston while ignoring the reality and explanation of how and why the automobile moves.


It's the very definition of an idée fixe.


The entire set of automatons have been spoon fed a closed system lab experiment by Tyndall and, like lobotomized zombies, are thereafter incapable of anything except endless repetition despite contrary data and evidence.


All that in spite of the fact that:
- The earth ain't a black body
- Earth's climate system ain't a greenhouse
- The temperature record contradicts the conjecture
- The computer models have demonstrated ZERO predictive capability



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And THAT is what the debate is over.

No one has claimed that the planet hasn't gone through episodic periods of warming and cooling. No one has claimed that CO2 is not a green house gas.

The debate has always been over the integrity of the data sets and the operators (assumptions) used to massage the data to come up with the predictions.

But the cultists here (like UD who has responded to you by trying to compare apples to oranges-you can deal with that if you want to waste your time) fixate on single elements, often elements that have been thoroughly discredited.

Ishmael

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

And THAT is what the debate is over.

No one has claimed that the planet hasn't gone through episodic periods of warming and cooling. No one has claimed that CO2 is not a green house gas.

The debate has always been over the integrity of the data sets and the operators (assumptions) used to massage the data to come up with the predictions.

But the cultists here (like UD who has responded to you by trying to compare apples to oranges-you can deal with that if you want to waste your time) fixate on single elements, often elements that have been thoroughly discredited.

Ishmael

Yup, NASA has been thoroughly discredited.

 

[Que]

Yup,A division of NASA has been thoroughly co-opted.

FYP; YWIA

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

FYP; YWIA

You worry about your posts, I'll take care of mine.
I suppose NOAA has too? And all of the other international researchers?

Just ONE BIG conspiracy huh?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

And THAT is what the debate is over.

No one has claimed that the planet hasn't gone through episodic periods of warming and cooling. No one has claimed that CO2 is not a green house gas.

The debate has always been over the integrity of the data sets and the operators (assumptions) used to massage the data to come up with the predictions.

But the cultists here (like UD who has responded to you by trying to compare apples to oranges-you can deal with that if you want to waste your time) fixate on single elements, often elements that have been thoroughly discredited.

Ishmael

And that's why you might as well be saying the Earth is flat. If you're agreeing that C02 is a greenhouse gas, the more we pump into the atmosphere the warmer it will get.

 

[trysail]

“The certainty among many scientists that humans are the main cause of climate change, including global warming, is not based on the replication of observable events. It is based on just two things, the theoretical effect of human-caused greenhouse gas emissions, predominantly carbon dioxide, and the predictions of computer models using those theoretical calculations. There is no scientific “proof” at all.”

-Patrick Moore, Ph.D.
Founder, Greenpeace​

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[phrodeau]

“The certainty among many scientists that humans are the main cause of climate change, including global warming, is not based on the replication of observable events. It is based on just two things, the theoretical effect of human-caused greenhouse gas emissions, predominantly carbon dioxide, and the predictions of computer models using those theoretical calculations. There is no scientific “proof” at all.”

-Patrick Moore, Ph.D.
Founder, Greenpeace​

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Scientific proof? What the hell is that?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

“The certainty among many scientists that humans are the main cause of climate change, including global warming, is not based on the replication of observable events. It is based on just two things, the theoretical effect of human-caused greenhouse gas emissions, predominantly carbon dioxide, and the predictions of computer models using those theoretical calculations. There is no scientific “proof” at all.”

-Patrick Moore, Ph.D.
Founder, Greenpeace​

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Patrick Moore isn't the founder of Greenpeace. And Moore has not denied that C02 is a greenhouse gas and that it contributes to warming.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Patrick Moore isn't the founder of Greenpeace. And Moore has not denied that C02 is a greenhouse gas and that it contributes to warming.

Yeah, it's kind of hard for him to be the founder of a group that began 2 years before he joined..