GOP On Suicide Watch

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[Sean Renaud]

I have figured out long ago that you are economically illiterate. You confuse economic law with political theory.

When's the last time you ever saw a poor man sign a paycheck?

I've never seen a poor man sign a paycheck. That however has nothing to do with why trickle down doesn't work. Trickle down doesn't work because the rich have very few incentives to trickle thier wealth down and the poor and middle class have very few means to prevent their wealth from flowing to the rich.

 

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[cjh]

I have figured out long ago that you are economically illiterate. You confuse economic law with political theory.

When's the last time you ever saw a poor man sign a paycheck?

Or park his money overseas?

 

[Sean Renaud]

My point was your suggestion that the Republican Party needed to be ideologically inclusive to win elections, but then we have the reality of the Democrat Party that is even further from being ideologically inclusive, winning elections with guile.

The left isn't ideologically inclusive? By what fucking standard?

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

yeesh, little v
You are getting your hackles up, and calling Bronzeage names, because he makes attempts at levity ?

 

[KingOrfeo]

My point was your suggestion that the Republican Party needed to be ideologically inclusive to win elections, but then we have the reality of the Democrat Party that is even further from being ideologically inclusive, winning elections with guile.

Nonsense, the Democratic Party is a multifactional big tent just like the GOP. Rather more so nowadays, actually. Your problem is that when you look to your left, you always look through the wrong end of a telescope.

 

[KingOrfeo]

When's the last time you ever saw a poor man sign a paycheck?

I've seen that rather often, actually, if "sign" encompasses "endorse."

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I have figured out long ago that you are economically illiterate. You confuse economic law with political theory.

When's the last time you ever saw a poor man sign a paycheck?

Or park his money overseas?

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[Byron In Exile]

Things cant get better till the GOP is purged of RINOs.

Its like FDR said of Wendell Wilkie, WHY IS HE RUNNING AGAINST ME? WE AGREE 100% ON MOST ISSUES!

H.L. Mencken, Diary — April 15, 1945

Roosevelt, if he had lived, would probably have been unbeatable, despite the inevitable reaction against the war. He was so expert a demagogue that it would have been easy for him to divert the popular discontent to some other object. He could have been beaten only by a demagogue even worse than he was himself, and his opponents showed no sign of being able to flush out such a marvel. The best they could produce was such timorous compromisers as Willkie and Dewey, who were as impotent before Roosevelt as sheep before Behemoth. When the call was for a headlong attack they backed and filled. It thus became impossible, at the close of their campaigns, to distinguish them from mild New Dealers -- in other words, inferior Roosevelts. He was always a mile ahead of them, finding new victims to loot and new followers to reward, flouting common sense and boldly denying its existence, demonstrating by his anti-logic that two and two made five, promising larger and larger slices of the moon. His career will greatly engage historians, if any good ones ever appear in America, but it will be of even more interest to psychologists. He was the first American to penetrate to the real depths of vulgar stupidity. He never made the mistake of overestimating the intelligence of the American mob. He was its unparallelled professor.

 

[RjThoughts]

1. This morning, Cantor spoke of the GOP planning to vote on their version of healthcare this year. What is their version, beyond "Don't get sick and if you do, go to the ER."

2. Boehner and the GOP have had YEARS to come up with a jobs plan. Where is it?

 

[Byron In Exile]

The GOP is always going to be struggling until you reach out to the Latinos.

Or deport them.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That isn't what I meant and you know it. The fact is you've never seen it. A man of more means can give a job to a man of lesser means, so trickle down does work. In fact it's all that works in the marketplace..

What happened to entrepreneurs and other self made men? Hell the concept of a free market is dependent on the concept of equals making mutually beneficial exchanges but Vette is claiming that only our betters can give us what we need to survive.

 

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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

H.L. Mencken, Diary — April 15, 1945

Very true.

I say the average Republican would rather walk quietly to the gas chamber than make a scene with resistance.

 

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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Name the conservatives in the Democrat party.

Yuh got him with THAT question!

 

[bronzeage]

...and contrary to popular belief, it can be done.

It will never happen. The business and industry lobby will not allow it.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

Did i say it would happen? I said it could be done.

The fact is, Obama's motives in ignoring the illegal invasion from the South is a big part of his transformation plan. This amnesty plan goes through and in the next few years we'll see a wave of millions more make their way here in the same fashion, and then lobby for citizenship as their illegal entry is transformed into political reality and action.

Hitler couldn't accomplish it with greater public support, lower numbers, and a vastly smaller country to search. We have no prayer by any means.

Yes we'll see more people coming, but probably not a wave just a continuation of the current problem. We only managed to rack up 11 million or so between the Reagan anmnesty and now, if we have to dole out another amnesty in 2040 or so to deal with another 20 million or so oh well. (Of course we could just start hammering rich business owners to the fucking wall.)

 

[dan_c00000]

This column did tell me one important thing: Phyllis Schlafly is, unfortunately, still alive. This makes it the most informative piece Ann Coulter has ever written, by a wide margin.

Fixed that for you.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Name the conservatives in the Democrat party.

These are the factions:

Internal factions

While the Democrats have a substantial liberal wing among the public at large, the party's inability to coordinate itself properly results in a political platform that consists of rolling over to Republican schemes and failing to provide effective leadership. The sectarian violence appears below.

Progressive Democrats
European-styled social democrats. In the House they are organized in the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC), the largest in the House of Representatives. Some are descendants of the New Left:
Sherrod Brown
Howard Dean
Keith Ellison
Russ Feingold (the only Senator to vote against the original manifestation of the PATRIOT Act)
Barney Frank
Dennis Kucinich
Barbara Lee
Jim McDermott
Cynthia McKinney
Bernie Sanders (self-described socialist; not a Democrat, but caucuses with them)
Pete Stark (the first openly atheist member of Congress[5])

Traditional liberals
Constitute half of the voter base, and take pain to avoid infighting between the separate Democratic coalitions. "A little left of center," in FDR's words, and don't share many differences with the progressives anyway:
Joe Biden
Barbara Boxer
Kirsten Gillibrand
The Kennedys
John Kerry
Nancy Pelosi
Jay Rockefeller
Elizabeth Warren
Anthony Weiner

New Democrats
The Third Way moderates. They've increased their clout since the Dems' neoliberal exploits since the 90s, and are roughly equivalent to the British New Labour. Represented by the New Democrat Coalition (an affiliate of the Democratic Leadership Council):
The Clintons
John Edwards
Dianne Feinstein
Al Gore
Joe Lieberman (independent since 2006)
Some random black guy[6]
Harry Reid
Debbie Wasserman Schultz

Blue Dogs
Here's where the shit starts to break out. Those in the Blue Dog Coalition are often accused of being DINOs, siding with conservative thought whenever they wish, most commonly on social issues and deficit hawkery. Officially they are a coalition in the House but a few ideologically aligned Senators are listed as well. They're typically elected in Jesusland, and are considered flaming lefties there, despite being firmly centre-right:
Joe Donnelly
Mary Landrieu
Gabrielle Giffords
Joe Manchin
Ben Nelson
Collin Peterson
Heath Shuler

Dixiecrat leftovers and boll weevils
To the right of the Blue Dogs. Not a significant feature in the party anymore, although occasionally one will turn up here and there as a failed Senate candidate, or a centrist Democrat will go haywire and swing far to the right.[7]
Virgil Goode (left the Democrats in 2000, was the Constitution Party presidential nominee in 2012)
Zell Miller

Random populists
These often vote with the progressive and traditional liberal wings of the party, but have their conservative quirky bits. Not easily categorized elsewhere:
Jon Tester
Jim Webb

The libertarians
Yes, they exist too, probably upset about Dubya's stance on civil liberties and the Republicans' constant juggling between pro-business interests and the Religious Right:
Mike Gravel
There is also an erstwhile "Democratic Freedom Caucus" influenced by Georgism whose actual influence in the party is negligible

So who's ticking them on their ballot?

Today, the Democratic Party attracts academia, white-collar professionals, scientists,[8] medical students, the youth vote, the working class, philanthropists, consumer activists, copyright reformers, women, LGBT, ethnic minorities, basically anyone who can't afford seven-figure bribes or isn't white, male, and psychotically religious. Considering the very nature of the Republican Party, this is not that surprising.