Time to vent

[Laurel]

Would you maybe consider changing the procedure to not take the story down right away but simply send a notification about the violation to the author instead? Like give him/her 30 days to react before you push the delete button?

Ah, I think I'm understanding where the confusion lies here.

Nothing is being deleted. No stories are being deleted here. The story is simply sent back to the author with a question. Once things are clarified, the story is returned to the site, with votes, views and comments intact.

Hope this clarifies things!

 

[StrangeLife]

Ah, I think I'm understanding where the confusion lies here.

Nothing is being deleted. No stories are being deleted here. The story is simply sent back to the author with a question. Once things are clarified, the story is returned to the site, with votes, views and comments intact.

Home this helps!

Actually you were right in your first interpretation. I should probably have written "Take-down button" instead.

I see your point regarding stories with under-age sex - I hadn't considered those. I guess there are various degrees of rule-violations, where some would be too serious to warrant a grace period.

So no simple solution after all...


It would still be nice for the author to get a notification about the take-down though - like a PM or an e-mail or something. I doubt that it's common for people to check the story status on the Submission-page regularly unless they're in the process of submitting something. Thus it can take a long time before a writer becomes aware of the problem, and writers with 100+ stories may never notice, unless somebody tells them.

Maybe something for the todo list..?

 

[Euphony]

He is angry over having his story taken down. He defends it doesn't break the rules.

And the process hasn't even completed yet. And all signs indicate it will likely fall to his favor.

So allowing his troll to twist him up in knots was of no benefit to him and ALL benefit to said troll. (seriously, how much is this guy getting off on all of this? Its classic feeding a troll.)

Problems can exist independent from people choosing to report them. If you read above, you'll see that people other than the OP see potential for abuse, and that it could be difficult for authors with a large number of stories to even notice that one story is missing.

I think Laruel put it far better than I could. It's not pervasive. And there's not authors clamoring for a change because it not yet being abused.

Could it be abused? Yeah, sure, you're absolutely right. And yeah, it's a potential nightmare for prolific authors if and when it starts being abused.

But shouldn't we wait for it to actually BE a problem or at least there be a hinting that it *MAY* be a problem before we demand a solution?

And can either of us say how easy the solution will be to implement? ( it seems easy enough for email notification but how much more does that add to the site owners workload? Is that time lost worth fixing a problem that may not even be a problem... or yet?

Yes, as you say; the benefit is to spare authors, who give their content freely away to this site, and who deserve at least a bit of respect for doing so, from having their non-rule breaking stories from being taken down randomly and without warning. I like your choice of words, though. Very diplomatic.

Your sarcasm is chipping away at my belief you'd like to have an actual adult discussion rather than inet flame fest.

Your assumption is that there IS a problem or WILL BE a problem. So you want resources devoted to it's solution immediately. (for the sake of the authors who will soon be harmed)

I'm suggesting we wait for more evidence. Maybe even form an exploratory committee as it becomes necessary.

I'm not saying your hypothetical abuse isn't quite possible. Not even suggesting it's not going on currently. But how about a few more authors report issues before we argue need of solutions? (again, site's time resources are finite so we probably shouldn't throw them at shadows if we can at all help it.)

What is the point of this question? Of course the site owner isn't supposed to keep a rule-breaking story online. But how is this even related to what is being discussed?

Stuff falls through the cracks. When it's caught, it needs to be removed. The suggestion of a 30 day waiting period before removal seemed to have no purpose. You can contest a story after its removal and if it's found to be a-ok, it can come back even with votes and views in tact.

So, why the need for 30 days more of being up on the site if it *may* not have supposed to ever been up in the first place and can be returned to it's rightful place with little harm, little foul (after the review process)?

Because of a comment? Again, the OP is angry because his story was taken down.

We both know why he's upset. You and I obviously don't agree on the level of upsetness warranted for the offense. Fair enough.

But to what benefit is it to get so upset and to wallow in it? Isn't that exactly what the troll wanted? Isn't that feeding him even further?

OP can be as wounded, upset, twisted, angry, whatever other negative emotion as he wants. I don't think its particularly beneficial for anyone but the sicko troll.

Funny, you seemed quite willing to be compassionate on this matter in another occasion. It makes one wonder what would make you react differently this time.

Is that your "Ha! I won the internet!" for the day?

Seems so silly to research my posting history to make some point but ok.

The difference between that situation and this is I read BTB twice by the time it was removed and nothing in it seemed a removal worthy offense.

And CPBaudelaire's attitude was one more of confusion as to how this may have happened and what the steps were to appeal it per the sites guidelines.

No talk of giving up hope, woe is me-ism or death of children. I thought it very level headed of him at the time and honestly I gave him kudos in my book for it.

And BTBL was a MASSIVE undertaking and contribution (maybe the largest on this site) which he seemingly lost overnight.

He seemed to take that sizable loss mostly in stride. And he went through the reinstatement process without letting it cause him too much grief. Many authors seem to be able to do that. And I think it's to their credit and certainly to their benefit.

Again, such a change in attittude.

You know, the real shame of it is, you seem to see our whole discussion as a winner/loser internet affair which is why you are so quick to sarcasm and quick to dismiss my points entirely. Yet I see the validity in yours and counter with some other side of the coin thinking of my own.

I'm sure you'll want the last word so I'll leave you to it. *sigh*

 

[Tsotha]

Nah, I'm good. Thank you for offering, though.

 

[Laurel]

Actually you were right in your first interpretation. I should probably have written "Take-down button" instead.

I see your point regarding stories with under-age sex - I hadn't considered those. I guess there are various degrees of rule-violations, where some would be too serious to warrant a grace period.

So no simple solution after all...


It would still be nice for the author to get a notification about the take-down though - like a PM or an e-mail or something. I doubt that it's common for people to check the story status on the Submission-page regularly unless they're in the process of submitting something. Thus it can take a long time before a writer becomes aware of the problem, and writers with 100+ stories may never notice, unless somebody tells them.

Maybe something for the todo list..?

Eventually, we plan to have a sitewide messaging system and you'll be alerted when your story is approved or rejected there - so I think it wouldn't be difficult to make it so you also receive a message when your story is sent back to you after being on the site.

 

[Laurel]

I've just spent the last 30 minutes going over dozens of comment and submission reports submitted by two people - two authors reporting each other's comments and stories - 30 minutes that I should've spent going over legitimate reports and approving stories. This is after spending at least half an hour yesterday doing the same thing. This is a serious waste of the site's time.

I'm asking you both to please - STOP abusing the site's resources. If you want to fight, take it to the forums. As it is, you are delaying the posting of other author's stories.

Thank you!

 

[SandraMustard]

I've just spent the last 30 minutes going over dozens of comment and submission reports submitted by two people - two authors reporting each other's comments and stories - 30 minutes that I should've spent going over legitimate reports and approving stories. This is after spending at least half an hour yesterday doing the same thing. This is a serious waste of the site's time.

I'm asking you both to please - STOP abusing the site's resources. If you want to fight, take it to the forums. As it is, you are delaying the posting of other author's stories.

Thank you!

And so the childish egos squabble... Someone (Euphony?) predicted this earlier in this thread.

I hope this post by Laurel was meant as a message to others while she warned the guilty parties directly because they may not believe this post was meant for them. I chuckle at the suggestion we all receive about 'contacting Laurel by PM as most reliable' being possibly necessary for her.

 

[Laurel]

I liked your old AV better Laurel...

You don't like my elephant? He's kind of hypnotic, and happy!

 

[TxRad]

You don't like my elephant? He's kind of hypnotic, and happy!

I keep waiting for the trampoline to break or for him/her to go through the roof.

 

[StrangeLife]

If you want to fight, take it to the forums. As it is, you are delaying the posting of other author's stories.

And if you are female, nude mud-wrestling is the preferred way of settling disputes. Please post pictures so we can validate the result...

 

[TimothyM]

Like I said, we get dozens of reports every single day.

I noticed you managed to get rid of the spammer that Pilot warned about in one of the threads (can't find his post now). That guy was extremely annoying with his stupid spam comments on most new stories, including the contest submissions. Thanks for stomping his spam to bits

 

[Laurel]

I keep waiting for the trampoline to break or for him/her to go through the roof.

That would leave quite a hole!

And if you are female, nude mud-wrestling is the preferred way of settling disputes. Please post pictures so we can validate the result...

Of course! How can else could we decide the winner?

I noticed you managed to get rid of the spammer that Pilot warned about in one of the threads (can't find his post now). That guy was extremely annoying with his stupid spam comments on most new stories, including the contest submissions. Thanks for stomping his spam to bits

S/he'll be back, though. And we'll remove his/her spam again. And s/he'll return. Etc.

 

[Laurel]

And so the childish egos squabble... Someone (Euphony?) predicted this earlier in this thread.

When I was a kid and me and my siblings started squabbling, my parents would make us go outside.

Sometimes I wish I could send everyone outside. For a couple hours, at least.

 

[Darkniciad]

While it's hardly ideal, there is a way to check all your stories in a couple of seconds to make sure nothing has been reported and rejected.

As far as I know, every browser has a "find" option. ( IE, Firefox, Chrome, and Opera do ) Navigate to your private submissions page, type the word "rejected" into the "find" box, and it will tell you instantly if the word appears on your list, and allow you to jump to it.

If you've used the word "rejected" in a title or description line, it will catch that, but you can ignore that occurrence in future checks.

Thought I'd mention this, since it only occurred to me this morning I've been periodically ( once or twice a month ) scrolling through all three pen name lists to check prior to the epiphany this morning

 

[Laurel]

While it's hardly ideal, there is a way to check all your stories in a couple of seconds to make sure nothing has been reported and rejected.

As far as I know, every browser has a "find" option. ( IE, Firefox, Chrome, and Opera do ) Navigate to your private submissions page, type the word "rejected" into the "find" box, and it will tell you instantly if the word appears on your list, and allow you to jump to it.

If you've used the word "rejected" in a title or description line, it will catch that, but you can ignore that occurrence in future checks.

Thought I'd mention this, since it only occurred to me this morning I've been periodically ( once or twice a month ) scrolling through all three pen name lists to check prior to the epiphany this morning

This is true. But it does sound like a hassle. And realistically, the odds of a story being sent back are pretty rare. Eventually, I've been told, story approvals/rejections will show up in your activities log and things will be easier. Eventually.

 

[Darkniciad]

This is true. But it does sound like a hassle. And realistically, the odds of a story being sent back are pretty rare. Eventually, I've been told, story approvals/rejections will show up in your activities log and things will be easier. Eventually.

Figured I'd pass it along since so many people mentioned scrolling through very long lists of submissions. For now, it's a faster solution, and especially relevant right now for anyone who's viewing this topic and might get paranoid that one of their long list could have been reported without them knowing it.

 

[Euphony]

Figured I'd pass it along since so many people mentioned scrolling through very long lists of submissions. For now, it's a faster solution, and especially relevant right now for anyone who's viewing this topic and might get paranoid that one of their long list could have been reported without them knowing it.

It was a great tip. Smart work around Im kinda embarrassed I didn't think of myself.

Ctrl + F (two keys)

then type rej (not too many words start with rej I think)

5 key strokes and a couple more to search the results.

Simple, elegant. User friendly.

 

[Saxon_Hart]

You don't like my elephant? He's kind of hypnotic, and happy!

The elephant's cool, but I always got a chuckle from the "Stop that!"

 

[patientlee]

The elephant's cool, but I always got a chuckle from the "Stop that!"

I agree. (Giggle)

 

[HeyAll]

Mikol, have you read this little guideline that Laurel wrote? Your story maybe have been viewed as being on the wrong end of this spectrum.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=926617

These things are tricky. I tend to be more lenient when a scene is in the service of a plot. Movies often have horrific scenes where a man's family is killed in front of him, but it's done so to horrify the viewer and to show character motivation (revenge). This is different from scenes which are put there for no other reason than with the expectation that the reader will be thrilled to watch another human being suffer/be disfigured/be killed.

It's very hard to get these things right when you have 100-200 stories to get through a day. I'll admit mistakes are made. I basically try to get a feel for the story and go from there. More literary/plot-driven stuff will get a pass. Death and disfigurement written for a sexual thrill will not.

As far as sexualized violence for non-plot-motivation reasons goes - some women (and men) enjoy reading about rough, sometimes even degrading sex. My guideline generally is that if I feel a reader with that kink could enjoy placing themselves as the recipient of the sexual roughness, then it's postable. If it's a fantasy written as an aggressor-fantasy with no regard for the recipient, then I may send it back to the author, who can then send it back to me with reasons why I'm wrong - and they're sometimes right.

Things that are never okay: graphic and explicit castration, mutilation, and murder for the purposes of sexual titillation.

If you read something on the site that feels squicky to you, please do report it using the REPORT THIS STORY feature. And please be specific. If it's a 20-page story and you report it with, "Snuff!" or "Too rough!" but don't say where or why, it will take longer for me to check.

 

[Laurel]

Mikol, have you read this little guideline that Laurel wrote? Your story maybe have been viewed as being on the wrong end of this spectrum.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=926617

I forgot I wrote that! But it's exactly right.

 

[Laurel]

I'm going to ask nicely, again, for certain parties to stop abusing the comment/report systems by flooding it with the same report 10x/minute.

 

[lovecraft68]

I've just spent the last 30 minutes going over dozens of comment and submission reports submitted by two people - two authors reporting each other's comments and stories - 30 minutes that I should've spent going over legitimate reports and approving stories. This is after spending at least half an hour yesterday doing the same thing. This is a serious waste of the site's time.

I'm asking you both to please - STOP abusing the site's resources. If you want to fight, take it to the forums. As it is, you are delaying the posting of other author's stories.

Thank you!

Hey can you do me a favor?

Either call out the 2 abusers to embarrass them? Or at least say who its not?

In the half hour since you posted this I received e-mail from 2 different people I am friendly with here asking if it's me and pilot doing as it seems an obvious choice. But I havent reported a story here in ages and it was for underage. And I doubt he would do that.

 

[Euphony]

Hey can you do me a favor?

Either call out the 2 abusers to embarrass them? Or at least say who its not?

In the half hour since you posted this I received e-mail from 2 different people I am friendly with here asking if it's me and pilot doing as it seems an obvious choice. But I havent reported a story here in ages and it was for underage. And I doubt he would do that.

Yeah, we're gonna need you to come down to the station and answer some questions.

Kinda surprising you two would be implicated. While your discord is quite spirited, it never seems to go full dumbassery like dualing reports is.

But maybe you two have stepped up your games? Haha.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah, we're gonna need you to come down to the station and answer some questions.

Kinda surprising you two would be implicated. While your discord is quite spirited, it never seems to go full dumbassery like dualing reports is.

But maybe you two have stepped up your games? Haha.

Nah I am a full frontal attack.

I'd say I never attack from behind but the wife might disagree