Justice for Trayvon??

[Ishmael]

I've already specifically said what the law should prevent.

Again, when you don't like the facts you attempt to change what I said. I never said Zimmerman didn't have the right to challenge Martin on where he was going (although Zimmerman never did this), and I never challenged Zimmerman's right to leave his vehicle. What I very specifically take umbrage with is that Florida law allows an armed individual to chase another individual after being told it isn't a good idea.

If you think that should be legal, that's cool, we'll disagree, but at least have the guts to respond to what I'm saying & not make stuff up.

And what is that?

And you have proof that Zimmerman continued to 'chase' Martin? After all the evidence shows that Martin had at the least 4 min. of 'invisibility?'

I watched an interview with Martin's mother the other night. She went on about how Trayvon was dreaming of a career in the aviation industry. Truly heart breaking to watch. Primarily because the little criminal was lying bald faced to his mother. He took NO proactive measures to live out the dream he painted for his mother. Quite the contrary evidence shows that he decided to take the path of the criminal and the thug. Was he really so ignorant that he thought that a criminal record was going to land him a job in aviation in a post 911 world? Perhaps he believed that the immunity from prosecution that he'd been gifted with so far, by a politician trying to cook the books, was going to last forever......................dual career path?

Did Trayvon Martin deserve to die.............no. Did he, of his own free will and volition, put himself in a position where that was a possibility.................yes.

You keep using the word 'chase' and there is no evidence that that occurred. By using that term you are implying that Zimmerman brought Martin to bay like a good hound would a bob cat. And even if that were true all the evidence points to the fact that Martin eluded the 'hound', for 4 minutes and then returned to confront his 'tormentor.' I guess my question here is just how did Zimmerman 'torment' Martin? There is no doubt that Martin was irritated, but just going home would have ended that situation.

I don't absolve Zimmerman of all culpability, but in the end Zimmerman was acting within the law, of all states, at the time. Because at that moment in time all shades of gray, all ambiguities, disappear and it comes down to whether you die or I die and in that situation I am going to make every effort to make sure it's you.

Ishmael

 

[IrezumiKiss]

The Lord answered. Derp continued.

 

[Ramp1311]

I'd probably chose an option that doesn't further endanger the daughter or others.

I have to ask. What option would you chose? Because if that person gets away with your daughter, you will only see her again in the morgue......

 

[CHNOPS]

If Zimmerman was guilty, the prosecutor failed at his job during trial, and the jury did what was right by refusing to convict.

If Zimmerman was "innocent"--terrified of dying, getting beaten to a pulp with no means of escape--the prosecution failed at his job by pressing charges, and the jury did what was right by refusing to convict.

He probably got away with murder. But the system is designed to favor "wrongful acquittal" over "wrongful conviction," and in the end that's probably the system we want, even when it's clunky along the way.

Anyway, everybody knows Florida is a cesspool full of douche juice. Had they convicted, it would surely have meant the end was nigh. And I don't want the end to be night, I want it to be figh.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Gotta love the judgmental opinion of a soused old basic beige asshole gainsaying the knowledge word of a mother over her own son and his dreams. Like he was there from jump.

Story of America. Certain people will always have to petition for their humanity, even when their actions are the same as others who get lauded for the style alone.

and get bank for doing that style.

Derp is real, derp is good. Derp continues because derp be food.

 

[Ramp1311]

I love how many people are standing up for Trayvon. If they looked into his past, and were he alive, these same people would be condemning him.......


Trayvon was being followed by Zimmerman, Trayvon lost Zimmerman, Trayvon then made a decision to come back to Zimmerman, Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman shot Trayvon.....

 

[Ramp1311]

If Zimmerman was guilty, the prosecutor failed at his job during trial, and the jury did what was right by refusing to convict.

If Zimmerman was "innocent"--terrified of dying, getting beaten to a pulp with no means of escape--the prosecution failed at his job by pressing charges, and the jury did what was right by refusing to convict.

He probably got away with murder. But the system is designed to favor "wrongful acquittal" over "wrongful conviction," and in the end that's probably the system we want, even when it's clunky along the way.

Anyway, everybody knows Florida is a cesspool full of douche juice. Had they convicted, it would surely have meant the end was nigh. And I don't want the end to be night, I want it to be figh.

Yeah cause we know how sweet and wonderful the rest of the nation and world is compared to Florida......

 

[RobDownSouth]

I can't wait for an armed father chasing someone who abducted his toddler daughter after being told to wait, police are on the way, after that law is passed.

Right...coz when you get right down to it, there's really very little difference between child abduction and possession of skittles, amiright?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I love how many people are standing up for Zimmerman. If they looked into his past, and if he were convicted, these same people would be condeming him.......

.....for being that type of "Hispanic" that's undesirable because of losing. Amongst other factors.

We can't all be skin-passing, after all.

getting too introspective heah.

*claps hands* Waiter! More derp at table three!

 

[Boxlicker101]

Why would they need to be? It was a case that never should have gone to trial, right?

That's right, but it is not up to patrolmen to make that decision.

 

[koalabear]

The criminal justice system failed. The victims justice system finally won one. Eat it bitches.

 

[CHNOPS]

Yeah cause we know how sweet and wonderful the rest of the nation and world is compared to Florida......

Had you ended that sentence three words earlier, you might have had a chance.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I have to ask. What option would you chose? Because if that person gets away with your daughter, you will only see her again in the morgue......

I'd probably still go with the option I previously stated. I don't see how randomly firing in my daughter's direction improves her chances for survival.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Eat it, bitches!

derp!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

And what is that?

And you have proof that Zimmerman continued to 'chase' Martin? After all the evidence shows that Martin had at the least 4 min. of 'invisibility?'

I watched an interview with Martin's mother the other night. She went on about how Trayvon was dreaming of a career in the aviation industry. Truly heart breaking to watch. Primarily because the little criminal was lying bald faced to his mother. He took NO proactive measures to live out the dream he painted for his mother. Quite the contrary evidence shows that he decided to take the path of the criminal and the thug. Was he really so ignorant that he thought that a criminal record was going to land him a job in aviation in a post 911 world? Perhaps he believed that the immunity from prosecution that he'd been gifted with so far, by a politician trying to cook the books, was going to last forever......................dual career path?

Did Trayvon Martin deserve to die.............no. Did he, of his own free will and volition, put himself in a position where that was a possibility.................yes.

You keep using the word 'chase' and there is no evidence that that occurred. By using that term you are implying that Zimmerman brought Martin to bay like a good hound would a bob cat. And even if that were true all the evidence points to the fact that Martin eluded the 'hound', for 4 minutes and then returned to confront his 'tormentor.' I guess my question here is just how did Zimmerman 'torment' Martin? There is no doubt that Martin was irritated, but just going home would have ended that situation.

I don't absolve Zimmerman of all culpability, but in the end Zimmerman was acting within the law, of all states, at the time. Because at that moment in time all shades of gray, all ambiguities, disappear and it comes down to whether you die or I die and in that situation I am going to make every effort to make sure it's you.

Ishmael

I've already answered that question.

Zimmerman admitted to chasing Martin. You did follow the case, right?

I've never claimed that anyone was tormented. I don't believe Martin was convicted of any crimes.

Amazing how these laws serve to only protect Zimmerman and don't also extend to Martin.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

He probably got away with murder. But the system is designed to favor "wrongful acquittal" over "wrongful conviction," and in the end that's probably the system we want, even when it's clunky along the way.

Perhaps it is my cynicism continuing to grow unchecked, but I get the sense that we are increasingly intolerant of "wrongful" anythings anymore.

We want ALL acquittals and convictions to be factually correct (according to our individual biases) in addition to being procedurally proper.

We expect wars without casualties, either our own or collateral victims.

Healthcare should be free, or at worse, dirt cheap and if a specific surgical or medical treatment has, say, an 80% success rate, then we damn well better not fall into that 20th percentile or the doctor/facility will be hearing from our lawyers.

Congress has the lowest approval rating in its history due to their unwillingness (or inability) to solve our greatest problems without raising taxes or cutting benefits, either of which or both, are essential to solving the very worst of those problems.

Or maybe it's just my cynicism.

 

[CHNOPS]

Perhaps it is my cynicism continuing to grow unchecked, but I get the sense that we are increasingly intolerant of "wrongful" anythings anymore.

We want ALL acquittals and convictions to be factually correct (according to our individual biases) in addition to being procedurally proper.

We expect wars without casualties, either our own or collateral victims.

Healthcare should be free, or at worse, dirt cheap and if a specific surgical or medical treatment has, say, an 80% success rate, then we damn well better not fall into that 20th percentile or the doctor/facility will be hearing from our lawyers.

Congress has the lowest approval rating in its history due to their unwillingness (or inability) to solve our greatest problems without raising taxes or cutting benefits, either of which or both, are essential to solving the very worst of those problems.

Or maybe it's just my cynicism.

Cynicism born of reality. It's the Louis CK thing of 'Don't they know who I am?' As if we're all descended from Caesar somehow.

#firstworldproblems

 

[Boxlicker101]

I've already answered that question.

Zimmerman admitted to chasing Martin. You did follow the case, right?

I've never claimed that anyone was tormented. I don't believe Martin was convicted of any crimes.

Amazing how these laws serve to only protect Zimmerman and don't also extend to Martin.

Did he say "Chase" or did he say "Follow?"

 

[IrezumiKiss]

DERp.

so much of it. I can bathe in it's roiling waters.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Perhaps it is my cynicism continuing to grow unchecked, but I get the sense that we are increasingly intolerant of "wrongful" anythings anymore.

We want ALL acquittals and convictions to be factually correct (according to our individual biases) in addition to being procedurally proper.

We expect wars without casualties, either our own or collateral victims.

Healthcare should be free, or at worse, dirt cheap and if a specific surgical or medical treatment has, say, an 80% success rate, then we damn well better not fall into that 20th percentile or the doctor/facility will be hearing from our lawyers.

Congress has the lowest approval rating in its history due to their unwillingness (or inability) to solve our greatest problems without raising taxes or cutting benefits, either of which or both, are essential to solving the very worst of those problems.

Or maybe it's just my cynicism.

I'd have to go look at some past cases to see if it's getting worse or not. I suspect that a lot of the things on the increase were always there. However now that everybody carries a computer in their pocket, has places to go where someone will do the research on just about anything that you end up hearing about tons of shit and hearing opinions that were always there but when would you have gotten this much commentary (good and bad) about anything?

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

And what is that?

And you have proof that Zimmerman continued to 'chase' Martin? After all the evidence shows that Martin had at the least 4 min. of 'invisibility?'

I watched an interview with Martin's mother the other night. She went on about how Trayvon was dreaming of a career in the aviation industry. Truly heart breaking to watch. Primarily because the little criminal was lying bald faced to his mother. He took NO proactive measures to live out the dream he painted for his mother. Quite the contrary evidence shows that he decided to take the path of the criminal and the thug. Was he really so ignorant that he thought that a criminal record was going to land him a job in aviation in a post 911 world? Perhaps he believed that the immunity from prosecution that he'd been gifted with so far, by a politician trying to cook the books, was going to last forever......................dual career path?

Did Trayvon Martin deserve to die.............no. Did he, of his own free will and volition, put himself in a position where that was a possibility.................yes.

You keep using the word 'chase' and there is no evidence that that occurred. By using that term you are implying that Zimmerman brought Martin to bay like a good hound would a bob cat. And even if that were true all the evidence points to the fact that Martin eluded the 'hound', for 4 minutes and then returned to confront his 'tormentor.' I guess my question here is just how did Zimmerman 'torment' Martin? There is no doubt that Martin was irritated, but just going home would have ended that situation.

I don't absolve Zimmerman of all culpability, but in the end Zimmerman was acting within the law, of all states, at the time. Because at that moment in time all shades of gray, all ambiguities, disappear and it comes down to whether you die or I die and in that situation I am going to make every effort to make sure it's you.

Ishmael

I think it's abhorrent that you and others are demonizing this young man in death. It doesn't make any difference to me what you come up with as far as gang signs, stolen jewelry or smoking weed; I did crazy stupid shit too. He had just turned 17 and had his entire life ahead of him and you have the fucking balls to predict how his life was going to turnout. You don't know his heart or his brain and you can't possibly know it by looking at a few instances which on the surface appear to be negative. He had good parents who cared deeply about him. You have no idea what influences would have come into his life both positive and negative.

 

[Busybody]

I think it's abhorrent that you and others are demonizing this young man in death. It doesn't make any difference to me what you come up with as far as gang signs, stolen jewelry or smoking weed; I did crazy stupid shit too. He had just turned 17 and had his entire life ahead of him and you have the fucking balls to predict how his life was going to turnout. You don't know his heart or his brain and you can't possibly know it by looking at a few instances which on the surface appear to be negative. He had good parents who cared deeply about him. You have no idea what influences would have come into his life both positive and negative.

you pathetic mongrel

get TrayVoned

 

[Busybody]

That the Chicago Gansta Law. You get to kill little kids and everything and no one will rat you out.

Life in Obama’s Chicago: “Nowadays you can’t even walk across the street, you can’t even walk to the corner store, you have to watch your back”


Posted by Jammie on Jul 20, 2013 at 10:14 pm




Who’s up for a national conversation about Obama’s neighborhood?


The innocence of a child could be seen playing at a park on the far south side of Chicago, Saturday afternoon.

Children run through sprinklers in Fernwood Park trying to cool off on a hot summer day, but, all around them, violence begins to creep in.

“Nowadays you can’t even walk across the street, you can’t even walk to the corner store, you have to watch your back,” 20-year-old student Ivy Sanson said.

“Usually I try not to go out to avoid these problems in Chicago. So I wouldn’t have to have someone in my family getting a phone call, like something just happened to your child,” 17-year-old high school senior, Loni Murray added.

That phone call had to be made Friday night after a 6-year-old girl was shot in the chest in the 300 block of 105th Street.

A neighbor, Shushana Moore, was there remembering the life of her friend killed by gunfire 5 years ago. She came to the aid of the young girl.

“To see that in your face like that? It’ll make you think about your life, like I’m 20 years old and I’ve got to see my life, but this little baby didn’t even get out of, she’s in kindergarten! Kindergarten! What did she do?” Moore said.

That is a question that remains on the lips of so many across the Chicago area.

Obama would rather let George Zimmerman’s future twist in the wind than say a peep about the daily carnage in his hometown, which is becoming difficult to keep up with.

 

[Busybody]

Da Coloreds bee as stpids and da SGT SPIDER "man" be stew pidz

Official From Al Sharpton Group Calls On LeBron James And Dwyane Wade To Quit Playing For The Miami Heat…




This guy’s hilarious, wait, he’s being serious?

Via BizPac Review:


Rallies held across the nation Saturday not only called for “Justice for Trayvon,” but also boycotts for anything connected to Florida. The National Actions Network rally in Las Vegas even appealed to star athletes like LeBron James and Dwyane Wade to quit their teams.

Gene Collins, local affiliate president of National Actions Network and long-time activist and community organizer, addressed the crowd and made the unusual requests in his remarks, according to Breitbart News.

“It is not about National Action Network, it is not about Gene Collins, it is about the social change we are seeking in this community,” Collins said, according to Breitbart. “Today is a day the Lord has made to demonstrate to the state of Florida and other states who has passed laws who are bias to black and brown people of this race.

“We are here also to ask our sports icons LeBron James, Dwyane Wade … and other professional players in baseball and football to change franchises and play for another franchise until the state of Florida recognizes there has to be change.”

“We are also asking the collegiate athletes who have signed contracts and who have signed letters of intent to play for various universities to transfer to another university until the governor of the state of Florida calls a special session and changes the laws so that African American males and females, black and brown kids will be safe in the state of Florida,” Collins added.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Three basic facts keep coming to mind. These are the only facts that really matter.

1. The man with the gun chose to pursue an unarmed teenager who had done nothing wrong.

2. The man with the gun continued to pursue and then initiated a confrontation with the teenager AFTER he was advised not to by the authorities.

3. As a result of that confrontation, the man with the gun shot the teenager to death.