Justice for Trayvon??

[Joeybagadonuts]

Quite frankly there is no evidence that Martin was thinking at all, none.

My take on the entire episode? Zimmerman was a frustrated neighborhood watch captain in an area plagued by property crimes and break-ins. His conversation with 911 dispatch readily indicates this to be the case. That in and of itself does not make him the lone vigilante out to shoot someone that the prosecution has painted him as.

Martin was playing out a drama in his mind for the benefit of the GF he was chatting with on the phone. Young men, and some not so young, have a tendency to do that in order to impress. We know from public transcripts of previous interactions with the girl in question that he painted himself as a 'badass.' How much of that is true we don't know, but that is the self portrait he was painting. However we do know from her responses that he kept getting into trouble and had a reputation for doing so, if only in her mind.

Neither party is blameless in this tragedy, but it really does come down to who initiated the physical confrontation and all the evidence points to Martin.

Ishmael

When a civilian puts a gun on his hip and walks out of his house to play policeman, he has accepted the responsibility of being in authority.

Zimmerman would have washed out of any police academy before lunch. He does not have the requisite testicular fortitude to put himself in the position he did.

 

[Liar]

As for who started the physical altercation, obviously that was TM. Z was the one who had the broken nose and other non-fatal injures.

Obviously how? That only proves he was losing the physical altercation... which is why he decided to pull out the gun and shoot.

Whether or not he started it is an entirely different thing. Which can't be proven either way beyond resonable doubt.

What we do know beyond doubt is that GZ started the confrontation.

I do however think it's pretty obvious that GZ should not be convicted, at least not of murder in any degree. Beyond reasonable doubt simply can't be established. (Maybe for manslaughter, I'm not familiar with the word of the law in Florida regarding that.)

But that doesn't give any sane person a reason to canonize the guy. He's not a hero, he's from what I can see a moron who made a series of bad but not nessecariy criminal desicions in dealing with what was a hothead teenager.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Willfully blinding ones self to facts is a serious character flaw.

Let me disabuse you of one of your notions and that being that anyone can walk through a residential neighborhood at any time one wants and has the right not to become a person of interest or be challenged for being in the area by a resident. No such right exists. If youi are in public you are subject to surveillance and/or being challenged, be that a Mall or a residential neighborhood.....period.

I see by Martin's school info that he lived in the Norland area of N. Miami. I can assure you that if on some dark and rainy night he decided to start strolling the residential areas of Liberty City or Coconut Grove the homies there would have his ass up against a wall wondering, 'What you black ass doing in our hood?" And if he gave them any attitude whatsoever they'd beat him to the point of long term hospitalization or just shoot his ass. The cops would have their suspicions but without a really lucky break the crime would go unsolved.

So your entire hypothesis of blamelessness based on a non-existent right falls on it's ass by the very non-existence of that right.

Ishmael

You're assigning me a position I never stated. I never said he had a right to be in that area unchallenged.

Had Zimmerman challenged him there would be no trial. Zimmerman is at fault for not identifying himself & not challenging Martin.

On an unrelated topic you seem confused about the right to go about unchallenged. A mall is private property. A residential area is public and people have the right to egress. This happened in a gated community.

 

[Ishmael]

When a civilian puts a gun on his hip and walks out of his house to play policeman, he has accepted the responsibility of being in authority.

Zimmerman would have washed out of any police academy before lunch. He does not have the requisite testicular fortitude to put himself in the position he did.

Riiiiiiiiight, shit for brains.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

You're assigning me a position I never stated. I never said he had a right to be in that area unchallenged.

Had Zimmerman challenged him there would be no trial. Zimmerman is at fault for not identifying himself & not challenging Martin.

On an unrelated topic you seem confused about the right to go about unchallenged. A mall is private property. A residential area is public and people have the right to egress. This happened in a gated community.

That's right you marvelous fucking genius, a gated community. And you're still wrong, come in my neighborhood and skulk about and I'm calling 911. Physically confront me and I'll cap your ass just as Zimmerman did to Martin.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Ishmael

 

[Sean]

That's right you marvelous fucking genius, a gated community. And you're still wrong, come in my neighborhood and skulk about and I'm calling 911. Physically confront me and I'll cap your ass just as Zimmerman did to Martin.

Look at Mr Floppy being all gangsta!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

That's right you marvelous fucking genius, a gated community. And you're still wrong, come in my neighborhood and skulk about and I'm calling 911. Physically confront me and I'll cap your ass just as Zimmerman did to Martin.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Ishmael

What exactly am I wrong about? It did happen in a gated community.

Martin was skulking?

And that's exactly my point. You'll call 911, but you wouldn't follow someone around. Zimmerman did.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

That's right you marvelous fucking genius, a gated community. And you're still wrong, come in my neighborhood and skulk about and I'm calling 911. Physically confront me and I'll cap your ass just as Zimmerman did to Martin.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Ishmael

How exactly do you, or Zimmerman know that Martin was "bad rubbish"? I'd love to hear your explanation on that one.

 

[koalabear]

Just in.........

2 dead, 2 wounded in overnight shootings

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ooting-violence-july-20130713,0,2301791.story

 

[phrodeau]

That's right you marvelous fucking genius, a gated community. And you're still wrong, come in my neighborhood and skulk about and I'm calling 911. Physically confront me and I'll cap your ass just as Zimmerman did to Martin.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Ishmael

I'll bet you would shoot to kill, and crap your pants in the process.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Riiiiiiiiight, shit for brains.

Ishmael

you're a funny guy

 

[HAL_9000]

Where's the media for the drunken idiot shot dead by a cop in Madison?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Where's the media for the drunken idiot shot dead by a cop in Madison?

What does that have to do with the Zimmerman case?

 

[HAL_9000]

What does that have to do with the Zimmerman case?

Quite a few similarities.

But no good major ratings flavor, I suppose.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Quite a few similarities.

But no good major ratings flavor, I suppose.

Martin was drunk & entered a house that didn't belong to him & Zimmerman was a cop?

 

[HAL_9000]

Martin was drunk & entered a house that didn't belong to him & Zimmerman was a cop?

You're right. The drunken idiot who walked in to an unlocked house by accident thinking it was where he was staying deserved to be gunned down on the sidewalk like a rabid dog. And the mass media should completely ignore the story because it has no ratings value.

My bad.

 

[Disgustipated]

That's right you marvelous fucking genius, a gated community. And you're still wrong, come in my neighborhood and skulk about and I'm calling 911. Physically confront me and I'll cap your ass just as Zimmerman did to Martin.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Ishmael

Shaddup, vatass. You're embarrassing yourself. Again.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I wasn't aware you wanted to have a special discussion where you get to have it both ways.

Get to have it both ways??

Specify..

Are you talking about Zimmerman's duties as the neighborhood watch captain, or his legal rights? I'm specifically responding to your post about his job as the neighborhood watch captain.

Being neighborhood watch and having legal rights is not mutually exclusive.

You don't lose your rights when you're on watch.

Was he authorized by the HOA to carry a loaded weapon while in his capacity as neighborhood watch?

They didn't prohibit it because I don't think they have the authority to do so even if they wanted to.

And I know they didn't in this case b/c believe you and me if he had violated any anti possession rules we would have herd allllllllll about the illegal possession and this case would have been slammed closed the day it opened and Zim would be on death row.

Was his direction from the HOA to follow any person he feels like it for any reason?

LOL HOA doesn't have any legal authority to supersede state/federal law to stop anyone from following anyone anywhere right up to their private property where they can tell you to GTFO.

Otherwise I can follow you around like a puppy dog just as far as public land allows me.

Would identifying himself as the neighborhood watch captain solved the problem?

How is that remotely relevant to my question??? And what the fuck does it have to do with the price of tea in granny's dusty old cunt? Not a fucking thing.

You suggest he was not authorized to have several chances to ID himself and chose not to, right here in post #3558 http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=46849230&postcount=3558

Not carry a loaded weapon, follow them, have several chances to identify yourself & chose not to.

Under penalty of law, or even under HOA guidelines was he required to announce his presence/intent or identify himself???

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

2 dead, 2 wounded in overnight shootings

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ooting-violence-july-20130713,0,2301791.story

*clicks

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Get to have it both ways??

Specify..



Being neighborhood watch and having legal rights is not mutually exclusive.

You don't lose your rights when you're on watch.



They didn't prohibit it because I don't think they have the authority to do so even if they wanted to.

And I know they didn't in this case b/c believe you and me if he had violated any anti possession rules we would have herd allllllllll about the illegal possession and this case would have been slammed closed the day it opened and Zim would be on death row.



LOL HOA doesn't have any legal authority to supersede state/federal law to stop anyone from following anyone anywhere right up to their private property where they can tell you to GTFO.

Otherwise I can follow you around like a puppy dog just as far as public land allows me.



How is that remotely relevant to my question??? And what the fuck does it have to do with the price of tea in granny's dusty old cunt? Not a fucking thing.

You suggest he was not authorized to have several chances to ID himself and chose not to, right here in post #3558 http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=46849230&postcount=3558



Under penalty of law, or even under HOA guidelines was he required to announce his presence/intent or identify himself???

You're assigning me positions I've never adopted and ignoring things I've been explicit about.

The HOA would have been well withing their rights to ask Zimmerman not to carry when acting in capacity as neighborhood watch.

Would it be illegal for Zimmerman to fail to identify? No. Negligent? Yes.

 

[jomar]

I am amazed at and somewhat fascinated by how the bloviators on HLN can talk about nothing with such urgency for soooo long.

 

[eyer]

What we do know beyond doubt is that GZ started the confrontation.

That's a total bullsh!t statement.

 

[phrodeau]

2 dead, 2 wounded in overnight shootings

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ooting-violence-july-20130713,0,2301791.story

You must have a suggestion to keep deadly weapons out of the hands of those mentally handicapped people.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

That's a total bullsh!t statement.

No, this is a total bullsh!t statement.

sh!t!

fvck!

puzzy azz!

derp.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're assigning me positions I've never adopted and ignoring things I've been explicit about.

Then clarify you...

Ignoring what things?

You?? Explicit? SGT Vague himself? The King of picking fly shit from pepper......

Explicit?
http://img.pandawhale.com/27476-Al-Bundy-laughing-gif-Io98.gif

The HOA would have been well withing their rights to ask Zimmerman not to carry when acting in capacity as neighborhood watch.

Yea they can ask....but they didn't and Zim broke no laws in this regard as far as everyone knows so far.

Would it be illegal for Zimmerman to fail to identify? No.

So he didn't break the law....

Negligent? Yes.

That's your opinion, and not what zim is on trial for.