Justice for Trayvon??

[BotanyBoy]

It appears that the gals don't gotta reason any of it out logically. Trayvons momma is due some payback in payment for her lamb, and some of the gals on the jury is gonna hold out for it.

That's all the prosecution has......emotional appeal based on conjecture. And to avoid race trolling they picked 6 mothers...I bet every one of them is single mother too. No other demographic has the slightest chance in hell of convicting Zim with that level of bullshit prosecution.

They haven't proven shit b/c they can't, if they had it would have been over a LONG time ago. Right now it's still nothing more than Zim's word vs Tray's...and dead men can't testify. Tough break...


Had this not been turned into a racial/political media cluster fuck I doubt FL would have ever even charged him....they don't HAVE anything but a witch hunt for a case.

 

[Ishmael]

If there were facts that showed what Martin was thinking I'm sure you would have offered them. In reality, those facts simply don't exist, making it an assumption on your part. Martin could not have known why Zimmerman was following him because Zimmerman never identified himself as part of the neighborhood watch, despite several opportunities to do so. While it's not illegal to fail to identify yourself, it was a huge mistake on Zimmerman's part.

When did Zimmerman explain why he was outside looking for Martin while also being afraid of him?

Quite frankly there is no evidence that Martin was thinking at all, none.

My take on the entire episode? Zimmerman was a frustrated neighborhood watch captain in an area plagued by property crimes and break-ins. His conversation with 911 dispatch readily indicates this to be the case. That in and of itself does not make him the lone vigilante out to shoot someone that the prosecution has painted him as.

Martin was playing out a drama in his mind for the benefit of the GF he was chatting with on the phone. Young men, and some not so young, have a tendency to do that in order to impress. We know from public transcripts of previous interactions with the girl in question that he painted himself as a 'badass.' How much of that is true we don't know, but that is the self portrait he was painting. However we do know from her responses that he kept getting into trouble and had a reputation for doing so, if only in her mind.

Neither party is blameless in this tragedy, but it really does come down to who initiated the physical confrontation and all the evidence points to Martin.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Neither party is blameless in this tragedy

But only one party is dead.

, but it really does come down to who initiated the physical confrontation

True.

and all the evidence points to Martin.

Ishmael

False.

 

[jomar]

It appears that the gals don't gotta reason any of it out logically. Trayvons momma is due some payback in payment for her lamb, and some of the gals on the jury is gonna hold out for it.

Seems to me the law is clear that he should be acquitted. But you might be right on the emotional angle.

 

[BotanyBoy]

When did Zimmerman explain why he was outside looking for Martin while also being afraid of him?

He doesn't have to explain why...he's neighborhood watch, that's what you do....look for baddies and call the popo on them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But only one party is dead.

That doesn't make the other party guilty of 2nd degree murder.

False.

So then you say Zim started it?

Prove it....

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Quite frankly there is no evidence that Martin was thinking at all, none.

My take on the entire episode? Zimmerman was a frustrated neighborhood watch captain in an area plagued by property crimes and break-ins. His conversation with 911 dispatch readily indicates this to be the case. That in and of itself does not make him the lone vigilante out to shoot someone that the prosecution has painted him as.

Martin was playing out a drama in his mind for the benefit of the GF he was chatting with on the phone. Young men, and some not so young, have a tendency to do that in order to impress. We know from public transcripts of previous interactions with the girl in question that he painted himself as a 'badass.' How much of that is true we don't know, but that is the self portrait he was painting. However we do know from her responses that he kept getting into trouble and had a reputation for doing so, if only in her mind.

Neither party is blameless in this tragedy, but it really does come down to who initiated the physical confrontation and all the evidence points to Martin.

Ishmael

I disagree with you. Martin is totally blameless.

He's minding his own business in an area where he belongs, and he's suddenly followed by an unknown man for an unknown reason.

Zimmerman is at fault here, not legally, but Zimmerman clearly initiated this and had several chances to deescalate the situation and chose not to.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

He doesn't have to explain why...he's neighborhood watch, that's what you do....look for baddies and call the popo on them.

Not carry a loaded weapon, follow them, have several chances to identify yourself & chose not to.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not carry a loaded weapon

I believe he had a CHL/CCW . Which authorizes him to carry a loaded weapon.

follow them,

Um....that's exactly what they are supposed to do, keep eyes on, it's a neighborhood watch.

have several chances to identify yourself & chose not to.

Any law requiring neighborhood watch to ID/announce themselves to persons of interest?

Didn't think so....

You got jack and shit on that one.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I believe he had a CHL/CCW . Which authorizes him to carry a loaded weapon.



Um....that's exactly what they are supposed to do, keep eyes on, it's a neighborhood watch.



Any law requiring neighborhood watch to ID/announce themselves to persons of interest?

Didn't think so....

You got jack and shit on that one.

I wasn't aware you wanted to have a special discussion where you get to have it both ways.

Are you talking about Zimmerman's duties as the neighborhood watch captain, or his legal rights? I'm specifically responding to your post about his job as the neighborhood watch captain.

Was he authorized by the HOA to carry a loaded weapon while in his capacity as neighborhood watch? Was his direction from the HOA to follow any person he feels like it for any reason? Would identifying himself as the neighborhood watch captain solved the problem?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Seems to me the law is clear that he should be acquitted. But you might be right on the emotional angle.

I've seen it happen. Plenty of people don't give a crap about the law, and I've locked horns with judges (all female) who blow-off the law, too. Generally they demand federal records or try and order a federal agency to approve disability money. And when you remind them that they have NO JURISDICTYION they scream. Because theyre female and someone said NO.

MISTER JOHNSON ARE YOU REFUSING THIS COURTS ORDER?

Yes.

DO YOU KNOW OF ANY REASON THIS COURT SHOULDNT HOLD YOU IN CONTEMPT?


Yes, you have no jurisdiction in federal matters.

The looks they give you are like you tried to twist their nipple off with Vice Grips.

 

[Ishmael]

I disagree with you. Martin is totally blameless.

He's minding his own business in an area where he belongs, and he's suddenly followed by an unknown man for an unknown reason.

Zimmerman is at fault here, not legally, but Zimmerman clearly initiated this and had several chances to deescalate the situation and chose not to.

Concoct a story and a timeline that fits the known facts showing that Martin is totally blameless.

Ishmael

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Concoct a story and a timeline that fits the known facts showing that Martin is totally blameless.

Ishmael

The facts already show that.

 

[jomar]

The facts already show that.

The facts show that he is not legally to blame, but if he hadn't followed there would have been no confrontation.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The facts show that he is not legally to blame, but if he hadn't followed there would have been no confrontation.

I agree.

 

[phrodeau]

Trayvon stood his ground. Every one of you would have felt obliged to do the same.

 

[CHNOPS]

Awesome thread is still awesome.

 

[Ishmael]

The facts already show that.

Willfully blinding ones self to facts is a serious character flaw.

Let me disabuse you of one of your notions and that being that anyone can walk through a residential neighborhood at any time one wants and has the right not to become a person of interest or be challenged for being in the area by a resident. No such right exists. If youi are in public you are subject to surveillance and/or being challenged, be that a Mall or a residential neighborhood.....period.

I see by Martin's school info that he lived in the Norland area of N. Miami. I can assure you that if on some dark and rainy night he decided to start strolling the residential areas of Liberty City or Coconut Grove the homies there would have his ass up against a wall wondering, 'What you black ass doing in our hood?" And if he gave them any attitude whatsoever they'd beat him to the point of long term hospitalization or just shoot his ass. The cops would have their suspicions but without a really lucky break the crime would go unsolved.

So your entire hypothesis of blamelessness based on a non-existent right falls on it's ass by the very non-existence of that right.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Trayon rolled the dice and lost.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Awesome thread is still awesome.

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[WeedSmoke420]

he had no right to follow him.. they should throw his ass to the hungry dogs in jail.. they'll have a blast wit'em after fucking him in the ass daily.

 

[WeedSmoke420]

He doesn't have to explain why...he's neighborhood watch, that's what you do....look for baddies and call the popo on them.

lol...

 

[Boxlicker101]

he had no right to follow him.. they should throw his ass to the hungry dogs in jail.. they'll have a blast wit'em after fucking him in the ass daily.

He not only had a right; he had an obligation, as a Neighborhood Watch captain, to follow him. That's his job - to keep an eye on suspicious characters. Black, white, red or brown has nothing to do with anything - being a stranger in the neighborhood at night does.

As for who started the physical altercation, obviously that was TM. Z was the one who had the broken nose and other non-fatal injures. The shooting was done at very close range, as shown by the gunpowder residue and, if he had been wounded before inflicting any injuries on Z, he would not have been able to inflict those injuries. Added to that is the testimony of the most credible eye witness.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Let me disabuse you of one of your notions and that being that anyone can walk through a residential neighborhood at any time one wants and has the right not to become a person of interest or be challenged for being in the area by a resident. No such right exists. If youi are in public you are subject to surveillance and/or being challenged, be that a Mall or a residential neighborhood.....period.

Those teritiary syphillis spirochetes are seriously chowing down on your remaining brain cells.

Your conjecture lacks legal or rational basis, but hell you never made much sense even back when you had most of your cognitive skills intact.

I guarantee you if you showed up in my neighborhood and randomly challenged me, your tard son Cletus VatAss would be an orphan.

 

[koalabear]

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